Twisting facts to make a story

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Deardeary » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:01 pm

How’s this hack got away with this? Unbalanced biased view, can I be judgemental and say this guy is Southern?
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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by bobinho » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:07 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:He may as well have wrote no pakis or blacks allowed at Burnley FC.

He doesn’t need to as long as the very people he’s writing about play right into his hands with language like that.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by dsr » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:11 pm

He starts off by describing the Dyche regime as "german Democratic Republic" style. He might as well have started it by saying "I know nothing at all about Burnley so I'll have to make it up". Does he not know that Burnley have a fantastic team spirit throughout the squad, or does he genuinely believe that that team spirit comes from East German repression? Either way, he's no use as a football reporter.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:16 pm

bobinho wrote:He doesn’t need to as long as the very people he’s writing about play right into his hands with language like that.
Hyperbolic reaction probably, it did just seem to smack of that sort of undertone , unless I’m reading it totally wrong.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:28 pm

Every time England flop at a major tournament journalists and sports writers blame the amount of foreign imports playing in the Premier League.

A warning there for managers, play and recruit British homegrown players and risk being labelled a racist club.
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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:38 pm

I don't think its a left wing or right wing piece at all to be fair.

its not as bad as it could have been, but its still pretty poor.

One thing that is abundantly clear is that there is not a story in a team, players, fans and board believing 100% in an outstanding young manager with strong ideas and tactics, or at least there is a finite amount of times you can report that.

File under to be ignored, and just read or watch the tons of positive press the team and town are getting.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:43 pm

Read the first paragraph and the thought `what an absolute tit!` came to mind.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by timshorts » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:53 pm

kentonclaret wrote:If Middlesbrough had not smashed their transfer record to beat us to the signing of Britt Assombalonga this story would probably not even have been written.
Well, that and Nakhi Wells being injured, and Watford offering an OTT price for our cement trapper. Perhaps we should be relegated for not signing a single player from North Africa. what a disgrace. I don't recall us playing a North American either until Scotty morphed into one. (Oh sorry, he's now from "the Commonwealth". The guy might have well have called it "Empire"........).

The issue, I guess, is that he noticed. I hadn't. If they are wearing a Burnley kit, I don't give a sh#t what colour they are or what country they come from. That also works for opponents. I only noticed that Dwight Freeney was a black guy when he signed for my team (the Seahawks) earlier in the year and prior to that he was just an opponent. Yes, he plays in a hat, but I've been watching him play (on tv) for 10 years.

If you know how many non-white players your team has, without having to think about it, I think you probably have issues.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by mickleoverclaret » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:00 pm

We had Danny Karbassiyoon, timshorts. The author of this article would have no doubt approved of that surname!

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by timshorts » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:12 pm

You are right. And I don't remember him at all. Well let's hope he had some native American blood in there, and then we can tick that box off as well.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Spiral » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:13 pm

Belgian national and 'bloody foreigner' whom we all hate and obviously want to deport, Steven Defour, on the German Democratic Republic Wheel of Fortune:
Steven 'better than Zidane' Defour wrote:It’s the strongest group – as one group – I’ve seen in my career.

We have the spins, so we have to control each other, and when we do things we do it all together.

When we have a drink or we have a dinner, we do it all together.

They are the little things that make us one big group.

There are no stars here, so everyone has to do their job. When someone misses a pass or is not in good form, everyone is there to help him.

There is competition to drive each other forward, but we are not mean to each other.
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... ive-known/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Duffer_ » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:38 pm

Win tomorrow and we are in the automatic European places at Christmas and the halfway point in the season. Twist those facts like my melons man!

Merry Christmas Clarets. Let's make it happen tomorrow - loud and proud.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Spiral » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:41 pm

This motherf.ucker's twitter bio: "100% pure nuance. Chief sports writer, The Independent."

https://twitter.com/jonathanliew?ref_sr ... r%5Eauthor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lol, nuance! We have five Irish players you dumb c.unt. You can't frame an argument around Brexit then change your definitions to "the British Isles" whenever it becomes convenient.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by jurek » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:43 pm

He was clearly trying to find a different angle, link and associations
Brexit > Burnley > Nationalism > Burnley > Britishness > Burnley
White > Burnley ... and more.

But he didn't really dig very deep or suggest he'd researched enough
and, as far as I know, actually spoke to anyone connected to the club or town.

Lazy journalism at best.
Potentially dangerous journalism.

Doubt it has much, if any mileage in it and will rightly be forgotten
by breakfast time tomorrow.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by KefkaClaret » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:48 pm

The article mainly focuses on the large British aspect of the squad, which is fair enough. The line about race has a very sinister undertone though.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by levraiclaret » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:38 am

levraiclaret wrote:Jonathan Liew has a thing about "nativeism", about a month ago he wrote a piece condemning Craig Overton for telling a "British passport holder" to go back to where you came from".

As sledging goes it is a tad tame but clearly outraged Jonathan.

It is also strange because last week he wrote a piece praising Burnley's defensive framework.
To add a bit of nuance here is the article I referred to above

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 12406.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I don't think its a left wing or right wing piece at all to be fair.

its not as bad as it could have been, but its still pretty poor.

One thing that is abundantly clear is that there is not a story in a team, players, fans and board believing 100% in an outstanding young manager with strong ideas and tactics, or at least there is a finite amount of times you can report that.

File under to be ignored, and just read or watch the tons of positive press the team and town are getting.
Hi Lancs, you may be right about it not being "a left wing or right wing piece" - though it is definitely political.

I've just read the article again. It is an attack on Burnley Football Club and Sean Dyche. And, it's an attack on the people of Burnley.

It's also informative to read the comments that accompany the article.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Rowls » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I don't think its a left wing or right wing piece at all to be fair.
In the Indepedent???

Some people are naive.

He couldn't have got away with writing such tosh back when the Indy was a respectable physical media newspaper but these days it's aimed solely at left keyboard warrior types.

The more intelligent will stop treating it as a reliable news source but in these editor-free days then crud like this will generate clicks and income.

Oh, and I don't think he actually understands what the word 'gnomic' means.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Rowls » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Only good thing about the article - it taught me the word "casuistry".

Highly ironic. Made me chuckle.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:27 pm

Rowls wrote:In the Indepedent???

Some people are naive.

He couldn't have got away with writing such tosh back when the Indy was a respectable physical media newspaper but these days it's aimed solely at left keyboard warrior types.

The more intelligent will stop treating it as a reliable news source but in these editor-free days then crud like this will generate clicks and income.

Oh, and I don't think he actually understands what the word 'gnomic' means.
Although is in this weeks print edition of Weekend i which calls itself a quality concise newspaper.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Rowls » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:32 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Although is in this weeks print edition of Weekend i which calls itself a quality concise newspaper.
...but is actually a low-brow left wing tabloid for people who find the Guardian hard going.

Seriously, if you want a left-wing tabloid just buy the Daily Mirror. At least it isn't pretending to be something else.

Either way - it doesn't really matter, does it?

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:49 pm

Well, there's plenty on here who support this type of identity politics, so they shouldnt complain when it starts to hit home.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Spiral » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:19 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Well, there's plenty on here who support this type of identity politics, so they shouldnt complain when it starts to hit home.
You'd love that to be the case, obviously, but you're talking absolute garbage. Like it or loathe it identity politics is nothing more than a term invented to describe the identifying and addressing of, at a fundamental level, power dynamics in society. How this relates to the model of a football club is anyone's guess and the link between Brexit and the composition and attitude of BFC's playing squad is laughably tenuous, but keep railing against that phantom enemy, pal. I'm sure it's doing wonders for your mental health.
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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:18 am

Spiral wrote:You'd love that to be the case, obviously, but you're talking absolute garbage. Like it or loathe it identity politics is nothing more than a term invented to describe the identifying and addressing of, at a fundamental level, power dynamics in society. How this relates to the model of a football club is anyone's guess and the link between Brexit and the composition and attitude of BFC's playing squad is laughably tenuous, but keep railing against that phantom enemy, pal. I'm sure it's doing wonders for your mental health.
Hey, this is the world you and your likeness want. You should be happy that racist old burnley may actually get pressured into buying more foreign players now purely for the sake of not "appearing racist" Who cares if it throws our wage bill in the air and unsettles the team. Bigger picture, right?

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Spiral » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:36 am

You're going to have to show me the post where I defended the article. It isn't identity politics, it's pretentious idiocy. It's almost as though you didn't even read the post you quoted.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by SparkyClaret » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:18 pm

A few Clarets fans took him to task on Twitter. He basically avoided it all by saying “show me where I called you racist?!” whilst pretending that implications in his own work didn’t exist. File under whopper

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by brexit » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:05 pm

independent they are not , they are left wing Corbyn apologists. Look at their current slant on the Birmingham car crash http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22401.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I prefer reading the Guardian at lest their left wing slant is well researched and written.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:38 pm

seems like the disease is spreading to france and it would seem many Frenchmen share our feelings

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/lequ ... ntroversy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:08 pm

Chester Perry wrote:seems like the disease is spreading to france and it would seem many Frenchmen share our feelings

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/lequ ... ntroversy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder what colour these press pig dopes think Nahki Wells is?

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:47 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Hey, this is the world you and your likeness want. You should be happy that racist old burnley may actually get pressured into buying more foreign players now purely for the sake of not "appearing racist" Who cares if it throws our wage bill in the air and unsettles the team. Bigger picture, right?

This is even worse than your usual shite, muff.

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Re: Twisting facts to make a story

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:44 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:This is even worse than your usual shite, muff.
I dont do politics on Christmas day :D

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