In Memoriam 2017

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Re: In Memoriam 2017

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:50 pm

Why didnt we do it on nyd anyway. The first game of the year?

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Post by woody » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:54 pm

Because it is in memory of all who died in 2017 and people die on New Year’s Eve

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:56 pm

I know two people on the list one very well. I think both would have just said que serra.
I think it's a great thing just needs to be when we are playing against great fans or perhaps at half time.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:58 pm

Or in the program. As a keepsake.

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Post by paulatky » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:04 pm

Prehaps the minute'd silence could be done prperley at the next home match.
A lotof Burnley fans joined in the applause and I dont think its fair to blame Manu fans for the confusion

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Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:37 pm

Also were the black armbands for the memoriam or Regis?
United weren’t wearing any but in the clips I’ve seen from other games they other teams seem to be wearing them

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Re: In Memoriam 2017

Post by Garforth Claret » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:58 pm

No issue with combining this remembrance. The instruction was clear though - silence.

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Post by DuckworthsEA » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:04 pm

Disgusting from Man U the instructions were clear. Imagine if your family member was on that screen today.
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Post by dsr » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:10 pm

DuckworthsEA wrote:Disgusting from Man U the instructions were clear. Imagine if your family member was on that screen today.
Man United fans wouldn't have been listening to the announcements - at least, not all of them, anyway. Can you honestly say you listen to every word the announcers say? By the time they realised or half-realised what was going on, it had already been said. They knew that a minute's applause was planned for Regis, and they didn't hear that Burnley were doing it differently, so they applauded.

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Post by yorkyclaret » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 am

No excuse, it was disgusting from them and the Clarets who joined in.

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Post by Spiral » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am

We've already established that instructions were unclear. It's "disgusting" to celebrate peoples' life with applause? Get over yourself you sanctimonious wetwipe.

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Post by JohnDearyMe » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:11 am

Walton wrote:I'm in the CFS, and to be honest you cannot hear a thing on the tannoy.

It had been nationally announced that there was to be a minute's applause, and that's what the Utd fans did.

No blame there.

As it is, a minute's applause is just as good as a minute's silence, so I don't really get the fuss. The same intention is there, and they're both widely accepted in the football world as a mark of respect.
I was in the Cricketfield stand and heard the announcement loud and clear. I was about 12 rows back so perhaps there are problems towards the back of the stand

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Post by BensMee » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:15 am

As stated in an earlier response, the tannoy is almost ineligible in CF stand, so no blame can be levelled at United fans.
With hindsight the club could have anticipated the confusion and postponed the Memorial until a future game.
Suggesting the PL are at fault is ridiculous, the appreciation of CR was rightly supported from all areas of society and the applause was the correct response.

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Post by yorkyclaret » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:16 am

Spiral wrote:We've already established that instructions were unclear. It's "disgusting" to celebrate peoples' life with applause? Get over yourself you sanctimonious wetwipe.
There was nothing unclear about the instructions, you may well be the type who thinks it's clever to ruin a minutes silence for deceased supporters, I am not. You can call me whatever pathetic names you want it will never change that.
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Post by Spiral » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:07 am

yorkyclaret wrote:There was nothing unclear about the instructions, you may well be the type who thinks it's clever to ruin a minutes silence for deceased supporters, I am not. You can call me whatever pathetic names you want it will never change that.
It's quite solemn, this thread, and rightly so. I'd hate to degrade it by inferring that your refusal to recognise the legitimacy of the arguments being made against the memoriam, or, at the very least, the heartfelt sincerity of those arguments, makes you sound like some kind of retard, so I won't.

It's plain as day, though, that you're bidding for virtue in poundshop solemnity, but most sensible folk reading this board will view you, yorkyclaret, as nothing more than an opportunistic bull$hit artist. You're using the ballsed-up 'memoriam' to assert your virtue. EVERYONE in the ground was embarrassed by it but only an idiot would expect from drunk people arriving at their seat at 14:59-unsure by grace (or lack thereof) of the acoustics of the ground they're visiting-to know whether to rapturously applaud or solemnly bow their heads and 'reflect' upon the lives of those whom they never actually knew, as part of a ceremony for which they were generally underprepared.
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Post by yorkyclaret » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:40 am

No matter how much you try, you will not get me to lower myself to your keyboard warrior level of name calling.I have been at many of this kind of silence and realise that some arrive unaware of what is happening and have often heard them shushed by others, everybody knows that happens. This one started off properly, so can only think that everyone there did understand the not exactly difficult instructions, before the 'look at me, I can be heard now' lot started. The worst of the many I have heard.
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Post by Spiral » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:49 am

You're absolutely insane if you believe the applause started by a person demanding attention upon himself. The apparent cause of confusion has been addressed in this very thread.

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Re: In Memoriam 2017

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:47 am

Just seen this thread. Saddened to see the first name on the list. I’ve known Harry Allen almost my entire Claret supporting life. I hadn’t realised he’d passed. So sad. Also very saddened to see some of the ages on the list. It’s a cruel cruel world.

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Re: In Memoriam 2017

Post by JohnMac » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:59 am

The Man Utd fans were singing for Cyrille Regis and nothing moronic about their tribute.

It was an admin cock up and where I was in JHU the minute's silence was observed impeccably.

Two sets of fans working on different infomation.

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Post by JohnMac » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:03 am

wilks_bfc wrote:Also were the black armbands for the memoriam or Regis?
United weren’t wearing any but in the clips I’ve seen from other games they other teams seem to be wearing them
I noticed in the 2nd half the black armbands had gone, certainly Burnley players had them on a the start of the game.

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Re: In Memoriam 2017

Post by Grumps » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:22 am

This thread was started at 1136am on the day of the game informing us of the minutes silence, by which time I was on my way to the game and didn't see it. I hadn't seen mention of it before. Prior to the game we were talking in the pub about the minutes applause for Cyril, everyone was aware of it, not one mention was made about the burnley tribute.
If we, as Burnley fans were unaware what was supposed to happen, how can we expect visitors to be aware.

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Post by Sean Dyche's Watch » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:37 am

Grumps wrote:This thread was started at 1136am on the day of the game informing us of the minutes silence, by which time I was on my way to the game and didn't see it. I hadn't seen mention of it before. Prior to the game we were talking in the pub about the minutes applause for Cyril, everyone was aware of it, not one mention was made about the burnley tribute.
If we, as Burnley fans were unaware what was supposed to happen, how can we expect visitors to be aware.
I'm surprised you didn't know about it, the official club website had an article about it on 3rd January:

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... riam-2017/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Grumps » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:42 am

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:I'm surprised you didn't know about it, the official club website had an article about it on 3rd January:

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/new ... riam-2017/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I very rarely go on the official site, doubt very much if the United fans go on it either.

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Post by Sean Dyche's Watch » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:46 am

Grumps wrote:I very rarely go on the official site, doubt very much if the United fans go on it either.
The offical site is a good source of information. I appreciate that United fans wouldn't go on it.

However, I disagree with your statement about Burnley fans not knowing about it. The vast majority would have known about it - either through experience or via social media.
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Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:54 am

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:The offical site is a good source of information. I appreciate that United fans wouldn't go on it.

However, I disagree with your statement about Burnley fans not knowing about it. The vast majority would have known about it - either through experience or via social media.
We’ve also don’t need it at the first home game after new year for the last 4/5 years
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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:04 am

Was a complete shambles yesterday. As others have said if we're going to persist with it then there's no need for all these minutes applauses seemingly every home game.

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Post by LoveCurryPies » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:36 am

It was a bit of a mess but the silence and the clapping were both meant to be a mark of respect. The visiting fans clearly misunderstood what was going on.

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Post by LoveCurryPies » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:37 am

Seeing the list of names and ages was very moving. Too many people dying to soon.
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Post by DuckworthsEA » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:56 am

Spiral wrote:We've already established that instructions were unclear. It's "disgusting" to celebrate peoples' life with applause? Get over yourself you sanctimonious wetwipe.
The instructions were clear. A minutes silence. Nothing to difficult about that. I’m struggling to see a post that says celebrating someone’s life with applause is wrong.
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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:53 am

Grumps wrote:This thread was started at 1136am on the day of the game informing us of the minutes silence, by which time I was on my way to the game and didn't see it. I hadn't seen mention of it before. Prior to the game we were talking in the pub about the minutes applause for Cyril, everyone was aware of it, not one mention was made about the burnley tribute.
If we, as Burnley fans were unaware what was supposed to happen, how can we expect visitors to be aware.
Had been on here previously including one thread informing people where they could send in names of people who had passed away.

I think we've learned a lot from yesterday and that will hopefully ensure it runs better in future.
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Post by Pimlico_Claret » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:28 pm

Spiral wrote:Agreed, agreenwood.

My tone is probably going to make this post a hundred times more unpopular than yours, but I think we've been over-indulging grief these last few years. I'm not sure how a minute's applause from complete strangers before a game helps bereavement in a productive way. It seems to me to be token at best.
It isn't token if you've lost someone, especially if it was Burnley who brought you together or played a big part in your lives together.

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Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:36 pm

Sound system is too loud in Bob Lord, apparently not loud enough in CFS.
Some people are hard of hearing.
Why not flash a message up on the screen every couple of minutes or so building up to it?
Can't do any harm

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:41 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Sound system is too loud in Bob Lord, apparently not loud enough in CFS.
Some people are hard of hearing.
Why not flash a message up on the screen every couple of minutes or so building up to it?
Can't do any harm
We will be discussing it with the club obviously so I'll go through this thread at some point and not down all the comments that have been made which I'm sure will help to improve things for future years. It's a real shame this happened yesterday because it has worked really well in previous years. We need to ensure it works well next year and in the years after that.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:17 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:I was in the Cricketfield stand and heard the announcement loud and clear. I was about 12 rows back so perhaps there are problems towards the back of the stand
The clarity of sound in cfs is abysmal tbh.

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Post by bfcjg » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:22 pm

I think the club were on a hiding to nothing. If we hadnt of done something for Cyril Regis the press would have slaughtered us due to their perception we are the most racist club in the UK.
Just coincidence CR died coupled with Man U.
Next year just do a minutes applause on twenty minutes. They were all football fans who enjoyed atmosphere.

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Post by turfytopper » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:20 pm

For me it was a bit unfortunate. There was certainly nothing disrespectful imo. Ideally t should be re-run.

My uncle was on the list - a true Claret a great bloke.

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Post by claretyorkshire » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:49 pm

Honestly you cannot hear anything over the tannoy in the cricket field stand. It's completely muffled and very poor. The United fans won't have heard about our own minutes silence as I say you can't hear it properly. Needs a new speaker system putting in.

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Post by RocketLawnChair » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:58 pm

It would have taken a brave club too say to the powers that be Cyrile Regis was nothing to do with us so we won’t be taking part as we have something else planned. And that’s especially given the current climate. Regis was the figurehead a leader of a movement that allowed ethic minority.footballers to finally be accepted up and down our country and leagues on the terraces. We had no choice but to acknowledge him. Perhaps the club should have moved our memoriam to the next home game too give it it's own uniqueness to all those affected. I’m sure everybody would have understood.
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Post by beddie » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:16 pm

I agree that the sound system is poor. We sit in the lower tier of the JH, right on the half way line, although I am slightly deaf I've always felt the music that's played is far too loud. Even others sat around us struggle to hold any form of conversation at half time without shouting. It's been like that for years and really does require attention.

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Post by Spike » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:31 pm

It was clear that no-one was clapping but the United fans still continued to be disrespectful. Not the Clubs fault just the United fans being Galhoots
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Post by yorkyclaret » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:19 am

Spiral wrote:You're absolutely insane if you believe the applause started by a person demanding attention upon himself. The apparent cause of confusion has been addressed in this very thread.
LOL Grow up.

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Post by 2 Bee Holed » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:11 am

I'll stand up for the Utd fans.
I was in the CFS, the tannoy system in this part of the ground is not the best.
Most knew something was going on, the usual ssshhh went round, by the time it was sufficiently quiet,
I only heard the bit about Cyril Regis.
It is hardly surprising therefore that the Utd. fans did what they did.
Then most of the Burnley fans in CFS joined in with the Utd. fans by clapping.
In future, the announcer needs to get the ground quiet first, then make the announcement.
Particularly, if they want visiting fans to observe the same as the home fans.
Not the Utd. fans fault, I am afraid.They also don't have a large screen at OT.
The club need to be aware that 4,500 fans are making a din in a very acoustic stand
and most have had a bevvy! Get them quiet (quieter) first!

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Post by JimmyMac'sMate » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:18 pm

When people ask for minutes silence that's what it should bevery ignorant of people singing and clapping spoilt it for me rip Cyril

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Post by Sproggy » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:30 pm

From the JMU it just seemed like two sets of supporters following different instructions. The Man Utd. fans were clearly applauding Cyril Regis. Once they started, it left a lot of Burnley fans unsure as to what to do so some joined in the applause and others stayed silent.

The mistake was trying to combine the two things - the sensible thing would have been to either clearly split them or move the In Memoriam to the next home game.
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Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:32 pm

JimmyMac'sMate wrote:When people ask for minutes silence that's what it should bevery ignorant of people singing and clapping spoilt it for me rip Cyril
Nationally it was announced that a minutes applause would be held at EVERY premier league ground as a mark of respect for Cyril Regis. It coincided with Burnley announcing locally that we would be holding a minutes silence memoriam as a mark of respect for clarets who’d passed away in 2017. It’s not hard to understand where the confusion arose and why United fans actually started applauding.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:54 pm

The announcer did fine, all the players were head bowed.

The ground was silenced for the first 7 or 8 seconds apart from a few United fans. The clapping was started to drown out their own fans. Nothing to do with a national minutes applause or people not knowing what to do.

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Post by UpTheBeehole » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 pm

It was everything to do with a national minutes applause

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:07 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It was everything to do with a national minutes applause
So why 8 seconds late?

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Post by UpTheBeehole » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:08 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:So why 8 seconds late?
Started immediately. The chants of 'One Cyrille Regis' started a few seconds afterwards.

Happened at every Premier League ground, there was a bit on the news and Match of the Day and everything.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:16 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Started immediately. The chants of 'One Cyrille Regis' started a few seconds afterwards.

Happened at every Premier League ground, there was a bit on the news and Match of the Day and everything.
and there's me who stands right next to the away fans in the Cricketfield listening to it all. Watching Burnley fans and United fans shushing the singers of United songs for a few seconds.

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