ARTICLE: More signings unlikely

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:50 pm

Like the nonsense I posted about central midfield for months before marney got knackered straight after window closed and the lack of replacement got us relegated.? Obviously the penalty this time won't be so severe but we need to finish this season on song and avoid not winning so as to hit the ground running in August.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:51 pm

summitclaret wrote:Like the nonsense I posted about central midfield for months before marney got knackered straight after window closed and the lack of replacement got us relegated.? Obviously the penalty this time won't be so severe but we need to finish this season on song and avoid not winning so as to hit the ground running in August.

Yep - just like that nonsense

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:55 pm

summitclaret wrote:Like the nonsense I posted about central midfield for months before marney got knackered straight after window closed and the lack of replacement got us relegated.? Obviously the penalty this time won't be so severe but we need to finish this season on song and avoid not winning so as to hit the ground running in August.

Ha if only we had Chrystal balls or in some of our so called supporters cases any sort of balls.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:55 pm

summitclaret wrote:Why do people think that others want panic buys?. I don't think 12 months to find a cb can be described as a panic buy. I do think that half a season with minimal cb absences is very lucky and that going another 14 games the same would be extremely fortunate. Happy clapping can cause delusion.

If you really want what is best for your club you would invest in cb before it is too late.

The suggestion that Sean Dyche doesn't want the best for this club is, to put it mildly, way off beam.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:06 pm

I think SD is the best manager we have had for over 40 years and the club is as well run as it ever was. However someone thr the club has a blind spot for risk assessment and a history of it. Thr happy clappers will always defend everything of course, but it is the one's that try to predict the future and provide solutions/ options that should listened to.

If our manager's comments are part of a game to get Worrall fine.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:11 pm

summitclaret wrote:Thr happy clappers will always defend everything of course, but it is the one's that try to predict the future and provide solutions/ options that should listened to.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:11 pm

Dsr. Our manager has said that he wants a cb and appears to have changed his mind since the end of August. Now tell me who is in tune with our manager's thinking?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:19 pm

summitclaret wrote:I think SD is the best manager we have had for over 40 years and the club is as well run as it ever was. However someone thr the club has a blind spot for risk assessment and a history of it. Thr happy clappers will always defend everything of course, but it is the one's that try to predict the future and provide solutions/ options that should listened to.

If our manager's comments are part of a game to get Worrall fine.

Nobody is trying to defend everything Mystic Meg.

What you really struggle to understand is that any numpty (no offence) can come out with generic statements like we need a centre back or a number 10 or a new forward - that is not providing options or solutions.

If you want to put forward real options tell us who we should buy, why we should buy them and how much we should be paying for them. Whilst you are at it tell us all how we should get an identified player who does not want to come or whose club won`t let him come. You may aswell tell us all what we are going to do with the 25 squad maximum and which of our non injured players we should release.

Only then you will get a fraction of an idea of what SD and his team are doing on a constant basis. Do you really think they do not see what you see and then some ?

Love it when people like you come up with crap like "happy clappers" - that`s a funny description for fans who have a bit of common sense and are not deluded enough to think they can manage the club better than the manager.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:21 pm

TVC15 wrote:Nobody is trying to defend everything Mystic Meg.

What you really struggle to understand is that any numpty (no offence) can come out with generic statements like we need a centre back or a number 10 or a new forward - that is not providing options or solutions.

If you want to put forward real options tell us who we should buy, why we should buy them and how much we should be paying for them. Whilst you are at it tell us all how we should get an identified player who does not want to come or whose club won`t let him come. You may aswell tell us all what we are going to do with the 25 squad maximum and which of our non injured players we should release.

Only then you will get a fraction of an idea of what SD and his team are doing on a constant basis. Do you really think they do not see what you see and then some ?

Love it when people like you come up with crap like "happy clappers" - that`s a funny description for fans who have a bit of common sense and are not deluded enough to think they can manage the club better than the manager.

You never fail to disappoint

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:23 pm

"happy clappers' about as daft a description as "remoaners"

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:24 pm

'I despair I really do.'

'Happy clapping can cause delusion.'

Two phrases that can lifted from this message board every transfer window.
I despair, I really do.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:29 pm

TVC15 wrote:The last sentence really sums up how some Burnley fans have a very short memory.....you really "despair" ?

If you are full of despair this season then given our track record in the last 40 or 50 years you better prepare yourself for a lifetime of doom and gloom supporting the club you love....because whilst we would all love to "push on", cement our position etc etc....the reality is we massively over achieved in the first half of this season given the size of our club, the money we spent and the players we have sold in the last few years.

There seems to be a hell of a lot of criticism for our squad that has beaten the champions away from home and got credible draws away from home at Man Utd, Spurs and Liverpool.

We still have the same squad - the only issue is that half of the first team is injured which I don`t care which team you are or how big your squad is would have a big impact on any team in any league.

SD is trying to strengthen in the positions he has identified and as fans I am sure we are only told a fraction of what is going on. I would think SD has been trying to get a good centre back for at least the last 12 months - the reason I say this is because he understands what we need better than any one of us. At the same time he is not going to panic buy and pay millions over the odds on a player he does not think is worth it.

You seem to have written off the whole of our forward line - the same forwards who scored against Chelsea, Spurs, United etc.

Which players would you actually buy ? How much would you spend ?

We aren`t a club who can afford to make £20m mistakes. Look at some of the big mistakes West Ham, Everton, Leicester, Watford, Southampton etc have made. I could name you £200m of players that they have bought in the last couple of years that they are now trying to get rid of. Are these clubs doing any better than us ? Do these clubs have half of their first team out injured ?

Let me ask you a simple question. Which of our current strikers do you think is really PL standard, I mean really?
You seem to have missed my point slightly and that could be my fault. The squad is fine, generally, with the exception of strikers, but people keep saying we need CBs for example. Why? Okay strength in depth is good but we have, as you say, relatively limited resources, so why would we spend those resources on something that isn't desperately needed at the expense of that which is? If we got this much needed CB who would you drop? Mee? Tarskowski? Exactly, said CB would come in to sit on the bench. A half decent PL striker would walk into our current team unopposed. We have still got one of the best defences in the PL but we can't score anywhere near enough. Why would we buy a defender and not a striker, it doesn't take Einstein to work that one out.
You are right we have achieved great things at the club and yes our resources are limited, my whole argument is about where those resources should be spent. I said before it wouldn't take a king's ransom to tweak this side into one that would easily make the top 10 without too much worry.
My other slight dig was at the 'we should make sure of safety' fans. We ARE safe barring absolute disasters, why are we even still talking about it?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:34 pm

What load of bullshit. How the he'll would I know who we should sign. I just pointing out the bleeding obvious that we have a major weakness. One that our manager has been allowed to now admit. I trust him to sort it. Not totally sure they I trust the board to give him enough money though.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:36 pm

To answer your question Chris Wood.

I could name a number of teams in this division with a strike force worse than ours - Huddersfield, Brighton, Newcastle, Swansea, Stoke. Then there are teams like Watford spending nearly £20m on Andre Gray - do you think he's better than Wood ?

So when you say "half decent PL striker would walk into our current team unopposed" - bearing in mind we are playing one up front and Chris Wood is our number one striker why don`t you just name which "half decent" strikers you are referring to. It should be pretty easy for you as you have obviously given this some thought.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:37 pm

houseboy wrote:Let me ask you a simple question. Which of our current strikers do you think is really PL standard, I mean really?
You seem to have missed my point slightly and that could be my fault. The squad is fine, generally, with the exception of strikers, but people keep saying we need CBs for example. Why? Okay strength in depth is good but we have, as you say, relatively limited resources, so why would we spend those resources on something that isn't desperately needed at the expense of that which is? If we got this much needed CB who would you drop? Mee? Tarskowski? Exactly, said CB would come in to sit on the bench. A half decent PL striker would walk into our current team unopposed. We have still got one of the best defences in the PL but we can't score anywhere near enough. Why would we buy a defender and not a striker, it doesn't take Einstein to work that one out.
You are right we have achieved great things at the club and yes our resources are limited, my whole argument is about where those resources should be spent. I said before it wouldn't take a king's ransom to tweak this side into one that would easily make the top 10 without too much worry.
My other slight dig was at the 'we should make sure of safety' fans. We ARE safe barring absolute disasters, why are we even still talking about it?

Tarkowski is out for say the next 2 games injured.One of Mee/Long gets injured or sent off against Newcast.Who plays CB against City?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:38 pm

KRBFC wrote:You never fail to disappoint

You never fail to be a complete c-unt

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:42 pm

TVC15 wrote:To answer your question Chris Wood.

I could name a number of teams in this division with a strike force worse than ours - Huddersfield, Brighton, Newcastle, Swansea, Stoke. Then there are teams like Watford spending nearly £20m on Andre Gray - do you think he's better than Wood ?

So when you say "half decent PL striker would walk into our current team unopposed" - bearing in mind we are playing one up front and Chris Wood is our number one striker why don`t you just name which "half decent" strikers you are referring to. It should be pretty easy for you as you have obviously given this some thought.

Hahahaha now a football fan should be a PL scout to have an opinion, you really are comedy gold. The gift that keeps on giving....

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:43 pm

summitclaret wrote:What load of bullshit. How the he'll would I know who we should sign. I just pointing out the bleeding obvious that we have a major weakness. One that our manager has been allowed to now admit. I trust him to sort it. Not totally sure they I trust the board to give him enough money though.

If he didn't think the Board would back him why do you think he has just signed a new contract.Do you not think they have been trying to address the CB situation.You can't just walk into Asda and buy a CB.Some of you think it is so easy.They also won't be ripped off either for players they don't think are worth it.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:44 pm

Jimscho wrote:Tarkowski is out for say the next 2 games injured.One of Mee/Long gets injured or sent off against Newcast.Who plays CB against City?

Charlie Taylor.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:46 pm

Jimscho wrote:Tarkowski is out for say the next 2 games injured.One of Mee/Long gets injured or sent off against Newcast.Who plays CB against City?

Presumably one of Taylor or Jack Cork. Ward back in training, but probably too soon.
Or maybe Lowton at a push, with Bardsley still at RB.

Let's face it, if we played our strongest side with no injuries, we'd only
be talking about damage limitation.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:53 pm

I was replying to Houseboy who was saying a Striker is more important this window than a CB.I think the opposite as experienced cover at CB is a little light.I would leave any replacement Striker cover till summer as I don't think that is a priority as we may have Wood back before end of season and we have Vokes Barnes and Wells for cover.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:54 pm

Jimscho wrote:If he didn't think the Board would back him why do you think he has just signed a new contract.Do you not think they have been trying to address the CB situation.You can't just walk into Asda and buy a CB.Some of you think it is so easy.They also won't be ripped off either for players they don't think are worth it.

If you did not know what happy clapping was you do you now. Ffs it's taken 12 frigging month's and we still have a gaping hole in our squad at cb. I'd be amazed if any other professional club had ever taken such a risk.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:58 pm

summitclaret wrote:If you did not know what happy clapping was you do you now. Ffs it's taken 12 frigging month's and we still have a gaping hole in our squad at cb. I'd be amazed if any other professional club had ever taken such a risk.

Quite happy to be a happy clapper.Always have been and always will be.Better than being a miserable tw@t.Might have taken 12 months but we are still 8th and happily everything is lovely.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:59 pm

KRBFC wrote:Hahahaha now a football fan should be a PL scout to have an opinion, you really are comedy gold. The gift that keeps on giving....

Not what I said you pr-ick.

If fans are saying we can easily get strikers who are better than what we have got then it should be pretty easy to name examples. He said a half decent PL striker would walk into our team - you don`t have to be a "PL scout" to have an opinion on the strikers which he thinks are better than what we have and who would get in our team.

You just need a television and a pair of eyes to express an opinion on who you think is better than Chris Wood and who would not cost silly money out of our price range.

Anybody (even you) can argue we should buy better players - it`s about as useful as saying we should win not lose.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:02 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Charlie Taylor.

How's he going to play left back and centre half at the same time?!

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:03 pm

There you go delusional as well. I am on about the future not now.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:04 pm

summitclaret wrote:If you did not know what happy clapping was you do you now. Ffs it's taken 12 frigging month's and we still have a gaping hole in our squad at cb. I'd be amazed if any other professional club had ever taken such a risk.

Yeh you are spot on - its been an absolutely disastrous strategy as we sit here with the 4th best defence in the Premier League after spending less on our defence than any other club in the division and selling our centre back for £30m.

All those other "professional clubs" like Stoke, Watford and West Ham who have conceded twice as many goals as Burnley really know their onions.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:06 pm

jlup1980 wrote:How's he going to play left back and centre half at the same time?!

I believe Ward is back in full training.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:11 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I said it because it will always be first priority.

When Leicester won that title what was it Ranieri was saying for a lot of the time?
It was all about hitting 40 points for him when he was in press conferences.
Why is it so wrong to say something similar?

40 points and then we can breath and talk about where we end up.

I take your point mate. The only reason I think we can forget it is because we have such a start from the first half of the season and frankly the teams at the bottom are so poor that I reckon 36 points will be more than enough anyway. It's rare that 40 points are needed.
The good thing from all this is that we are actually talking (and in my case moaning

) that we could be doing better when we are currently comfortably eighth. A far cry from Torquay at home on a wet Tuesday with around 1600 in the ground.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:22 pm

TVC15 wrote:Not what I said you pr-ick.

If fans are saying we can easily get strikers who are better than what we have got then it should be pretty easy to name examples. He said a half decent PL striker would walk into our team - you don`t have to be a "PL scout" to have an opinion on the strikers which he thinks are better than what we have and who would get in our team.

You just need a television and a pair of eyes to express an opinion on who you think is better than Chris Wood and who would not cost silly money out of our price range.

Anybody (even you) can argue we should buy better players - it`s about as useful as saying we should win not lose.

You're an angry old man, keep waffling, it's entertaining

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:22 pm

Jimscho wrote:Tarkowski is out for say the next 2 games injured.One of Mee/Long gets injured or sent off against Newcast.Who plays CB against City?

1. That's a fair amount of iffing and butting about the injuries.
2. Who is going to score our goals at Newcastle or anywhere else just now.
3. Doesn't really matter about who plays against City as anything gained there will be a bonus anyway.
If Tarks and Mee and Long were all injured we'd have a problem but that is, although possible, unlikely. With the defensive situation we are talking in theory, you know, what ifs, and what could be. With the striker situation we are talking about a current and on-going problem. The first is theoretical; the second is actual and needs addressing urgently.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:25 pm

Tarkowski is out for say the next 2 games injured.One of Mee/Long gets injured or sent off against Newcast.Who plays CB against City?

easy play 3 at the back

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:28 pm

pretty sure tarkowski's injury is why we're after a centre half.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:31 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Yes they are, but it isn't propelling them to greater heights.
If it was, then it would be a reasonable complaint that we aren't doing anything.

no, I'm not complaining - it's a mere statement of fact that they are signing more players from abroad which would indicate at much stronger European scouting network. If the scouts within that network aren't very good is a different point all together

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:41 pm

houseboy wrote:1. That's a fair amount of iffing and butting about the injuries.
2. Who is going to score our goals at Newcastle or anywhere else just now.
3. Doesn't really matter about who plays against City as anything gained there will be a bonus anyway.
If Tarks and Mee and Long were all injured we'd have a problem but that is, although possible, unlikely. With the defensive situation we are talking in theory, you know, what ifs, and what could be. With the striker situation we are talking about a current and on-going problem. The first is theoretical; the second is actual and needs addressing urgently.

Not a lot of ifs and buts.Tarkowski already injured.Only need one of the other 2 injured/suspended and we have to use someone who isn't a CB as a replacement.The strikers have done ok up to now(only ok) but have got us to 8th.The calibre of Striker you want is not cheap especially when prices are always inflated in January.It is important against City as an absolute tubbing will not help confidence.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:54 pm

Jimscho wrote:Ha if only we had Chrystal balls or in some of our so called supporters cases any sort of balls.

If we had crystal balls they'd see us coming

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:56 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:pretty sure tarkowski's injury is why we're after a centre half.

Now that would be panic buying and would be good evidence for the case for sorting the gap at cb sooner. The price will have gone up big style as soon news broke of Tarky being injured - making it less likely that we would get a cb in so as not to be ripped off. Should have been sorted last August and certainly before now.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:00 pm

Wow! There are some right melts on here!

Stop moaning and get behind the squad. This is the best Burnley team you are ever likely to see so make the most of it. Bloody snowflakes!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:19 pm

houseboy wrote:Unless we have a meltdown of biblical proportions WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET RELEGATED, so why are people still saying the first priority is safety? Do people think that Everton fans are talking about safety, or Leicester fans? What about Watford, are they saying 'as long as we are safe'? Two out of three of them are below us by some stretch and one is above us marginally on goal difference. These teams are NOT looking at safety, why then should we be? We are 8th, 6 points clear of 9th, we should be looking up not nervously down, there is nothing to fear below us.
I'm somewhat shocked that many of our fans now seem to think the season is over because it's 'job done' as far as relegation is concerned. There is a lot to play for. Two or three places higher gives us millions more in the bank, Europa League places sometimes go down to 7th (rarely but it can happen) so then that is more money next season, potentially. And then there is pride, do we not want to finish as high as we possibly can? And what of next season? Will we still be looking at the job in hand being survival? What about the season after, will we ever stop thinking small, do we just want to be part of the PL for the sake of it?
I apologise about the rant guys but for the sake of not a lot more investment we could do a lot better this season than 'survival'. If we don't get a striker in to back up the poor show that we currently have I will see that as a lack of ambition. People can criticise me on here, they can say I'm not being 'realistic', but I love this club and we have the opportunity to really cement our place at the top table and have enough perceived ambition to attract better players. We have brought in two excellent wingers but who are they going to supply? The injured Wood? The average and maybe soon to be gone Barnes? The possibly not PL standard Vokes? The untried Wells? Who? Or do we just want to reach the end of the season scraping the odd draw to ensure 'safety'.

I despair I really do.

Excellent post. Well put.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:07 am

Jimscho wrote:Not a lot of ifs and buts.Tarkowski already injured.Only need one of the other 2 injured/suspended and we have to use someone who isn't a CB as a replacement.The strikers have done ok up to now(only ok) but have got us to 8th.The calibre of Striker you want is not cheap especially when prices are always inflated in January.It is important against City as an absolute tubbing will not help confidence.

The strikers haven't got us to 8th, the defence has. Even with Tarks injured the defence is still adequate and anything else is, as yet, theoretical (injuries/suspensions etc.). We are in the situation where as soon as Wood got injured (and he wasn't exactly breaking records) the goals dried up, almost totally. A quick look at the stats tells you the whole story: we have scored 1 goal in the last 4 games and (I think without checking) 3 in the last 8 (league games that is). That is simply appalling.
Do we need cover in defence - yes.
Do we need at least one striker - yes.
Can we break the bank for both - probably not.
We then have to prioritise. A defender for cover or a striker that is desperately need NOW.
To me there is no argument.