Tactics so disappointing

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:28 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:The lack of subs cost us the game, we did nothing to stop the pressure Saints were trying to put us under. Shite from Dyche

They had 3 players on with fresh legs (30per cent of their outfield) they were physically and mentally fit.... We were running on empty.

It was incredible from Dyche today.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:30 pm

Just seen SD on Sky..."That was a winning performance", he says. Well I and others around me could tell him...that was a shocking performance. Why on earth didn't he pull Lennon and poor old Jeff and go for a 2nd goal.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:31 pm

Clarinetclaret wrote:So in other words if we were heading towards league 1 you'd still be harping on about Dyche had us up to 4th in the premier league.

No, that doesn't make any sense and bears no resemblance to what I said.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:33 pm

I think in contrast the opposition manager gained a point from his substitutions. That said Dyche is still the most successful manager in my era, and he has always been the same with substitutions, so maybe he knows more than us.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:35 pm

Yes it does. Every time people moan about tactics, performance etc you go on about how Dyche is the man who got us up to fourth as though that makes him infallible and untouchable. I see you love the football so much you can't be bothered to attend in person.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:37 pm

Rabbit in headlights when it comes to making decisions.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:42 pm

Clarinetclaret wrote:Yes it does. Every time people moan about tactics, performance etc you go on about how Dyche is the man who got us up to fourth as though that makes him infallible and untouchable. I see you love the football so much you can't be bothered to attend in person.

You must have quoted the wrong post of mine then, because the one you did quote bore no relevance to your ridiculous comment.

I mentioned that these are the same tactics that got us up to fourth once, to illustrate that nobody was complaining about them when we had a fully fit squad, were getting the rub of the green and results were going our way.

As for your final comment, whether I go to the games isn't relevant or any of your business, but I've been to plenty this season and will be there next week.

Whitgord · Post by **Whitgord** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:42 pm

Hendrick and Cork were running on empty In the last 20 minutes. Why no sub I do not know. Even more so when 1 0 up, we should have gone for the kill. As someone said higher up, nothing to lose from now on in, so why oh why not try something different?

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:46 pm

Wood has been doing some hard warm up routines for a good 10 mins before we scored even down to removing his tracksuit
He was called back towards the bench (presume to come on) just seconds before we scored
But once the goal went in you just knew we were never going to go for any more positive changes
It says a lot of Dyche that he didn't even put him on when Southampton equalised - the single point was then the only thing on his mind

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:49 pm

We controlled the game for large parts but lack cutting edge upfront. Hendrick got into good positions but has confidence issues and kept getting the ball stuck between his feet. Barnes puts himself about and scored a goal but he is never going to be prolific. Aside from another centreback, it is clear where the investment needs to be made in summer. However a proper number 10 and another striker to compete with Wood won’t come cheap.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:51 pm

They don't need to be cheap, we have another guaranteed wodge of money coming in.

Heaton's Gloves · Post by **Heaton's Gloves** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:53 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I like to look at the bigger picture rather than individual games or runs of games and my opinion is that we're exceeding all expectations this season.

Yes, but it’s ******* boring in the extreme. Even you must see that!

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:54 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:Rabbit in headlights when it comes to making decisions.

Too busy wiping his head most of the time. Time to stand up and make some decisions, miraculous ginger one.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:57 pm

The first glimpses of what it's going to be like every season for this forum when Burnley are just battling to stay mid table, like numerous other clubs/fans have done before them.

This is probably as good as it gets for Burnley barring major investment and already people are complaining/struggling with it.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:59 pm

ewanrob wrote:Just seen SD on Sky..."That was a winning performance", he says. Well I and others around me could tell him...that was a shocking performance. Why on earth didn't he pull Lennon and poor old Jeff and go for a 2nd goal.

He didn't say that really, did he?
I know he spouts a load of tosh to the media and rarely tells the truth, but if he thinks that was a winnind display, then there are hidden motives.
If he sets up like that and expects victories with displays like that, then the future is worrying, because we have been rank bad quite often in recent weeks.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:02 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The first glimpses of what it's going to be like every season for this forum when Burnley are just battling to stay mid table, like numerous other clubs/fans have done before them.

This is probably as good as it gets for Burnley barring major investment and already people are complaining/struggling with it.

No complaints from me over the league position. But the football ? Plenty of complaints, it’s mind numbingly dull.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:02 pm

Heaton's Gloves wrote:Yes, but it’s ******* boring in the extreme. Even you must see that!

Was it boring when we were beating Watford and Stoke 1-0 at home?

I'll take safe, boring football over an exciting relegation battle every time.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:05 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:No complaints from me over the league position. But the football ? Plenty of complaints, it’s mind numbingly dull.

Yeah I felt the Swansea game was dull as ****.

However this is what it's going to be like most seasons regardless of manager barring a miraculous season or massive injection of money.

Southampton fans wanted Puel gone despite a decent league finish and a cup final due to poor football and they're worse off this season.

Grass isn't always greener and do we want to risk finding out?

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:06 pm

looking at the Season, I would take the fantastic run and great to watch football in 2017 in the premier league, as long as I would accept a draw for nearly every match for the rest of the season in 2018. The problem we all have is our expectation bar has been raised so high from the 2017 over achievement, that every game now is below expectation. Roll back 1 year, and everyone would accept all the draws we are getting, and I get that we should be seeing progress, and i am fairly confident if we had not been hit by so may injuries we would. But let face facts this is our first back to back premier league, and no one can say our first eleven (including those injured) is not an improvement, this year we will improve our squad, so the bench is as strong, and if that was the case now, you never know we could be a lot closer to Arsenal than we are at the moment. Keep the faith, and keep yourself grounded.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:08 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The first glimpses of what it's going to be like every season for this forum when Burnley are just battling to stay mid table, like numerous other clubs/fans have done before them.

This is probably as good as it gets for Burnley barring major investment and already people are complaining/struggling with it.

Yep. I wonder if West Brom would take Pulis' boring football back now if it kept them up.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:09 pm

Was talking to some Southampton fans in a pub after match who were saying how delighted we must be with our season so far. When you look at the bigger picture of course but recent performances are a worry especially bearing in mind teams like West Brom’s end to last season and impact it has had this year. Problem is we don’t scour enough or create chances where we look like scoring at the minute.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:12 pm

Loads of hysterical, over the top reactions on this thread.

The same tactical approach made us the proudest people in proudsville, apparently. The difference isn't tactics, it's a bit of confidence and a couple of good players being absent. Football isnt played on a computer - it's played by humans with human frailties.

As for making subs, not sure who we would have subbed today. Barnes and Westwood got better as thr game went on and we didn't have a wide option on the bench who could be trusted defensively. As it was we were seeing the game out without any difficulty at all until the ref got in the way and we got a bad break.

But for that, we'd have edged out a gritty 1-0 win. Sure, it wouldn't have been particularly exhilarating but we played better than we did the last time we won against Stoke and besides sometimes you need that sort of result to end a bad run.

I think every one needs to calm down and be a lot more patient and forgiving. We're still 7th don't forget.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:13 pm

Madeley will dominate the post-game debate, but it was a poor showing against a poor side.

There’s no fluidity in our attacking play at the moment and any semblance of sharpness is missing.

If we didn’t have so many poInts you’d be genuinely worried, because without a step change in performance we’re going to struggle to win matches.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:15 pm

claretspice wrote:Loads of hysterical, over the top reactions on this thread.

The same tactical approach made us the proudest people in proudsville, apparently. The difference isn't tactics, it's a bit of confidence and a couple of good players being absent. Football isnt played on a computer - it's played by humans with human frailties.

As for making subs, not sure who we would have subbed today. Barnes and Westwood got better as thr game went on and we didn't have a wide option on the bench who could be trusted defensively. As it was we were seeing the game out without any difficulty at all until the ref got in the way and we got a bad break.

But for that, we'd have edged out a gritty 1-0 win. Sure, it wouldn't have been particularly exhilarating but we played better than we did the last time we won against Stoke and besides sometimes you need that sort of result to end a bad run.

I think every one needs to calm down and be a lot more patient and forgiving. We're still 7th don't forget.

But there were players out there today who shouldn’t have completed the 90.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:18 pm

agreenwood wrote:Madeley will dominate the post-game debate, but it was a poor showing against a poor side.

There’s no fluidity in our attacking play at the moment and any semblance of sharpness is missing.

If we didn’t have so many poInts you’d be genuinely worried, because with out a step change in performance we’re going to struggle to win matches.

You would, but we do have the points so there's not really anything to worry about. If I was a Southampton fan on the other hand I'd be very worried, they were woeful.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:23 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You would, but we do have the points so there's not really anything to worry about. If I was a Southampton fan on the other hand I'd be very worried, they were woeful.

Im not worried. Just bored.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:25 pm

Even if we finish this season poorly we can still do well again next year.

Look at the start of this season compared to the end of last.

Carport · Post by **Carport** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:25 pm

Are there any other Premiership managers you see consulting their bench for 10 minutes under hand masked mouth in order to decide whether and who to substitute? How difficult is it?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:25 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You would, but we do have the points so there's not really anything to worry about. If I was a Southampton fan on the other hand I'd be very worried, they were woeful.

As woeful as us and got a point which took them out of the relegation zone so guess they’d see it as a good day.

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:26 pm

It always seems to happen that for the first couple of seasons in the Premier League most supporters are happy just to be there and then come the cries for a different type of football. This is what has happened to Stoke, WBA Crystal Palace et al. Do we want to change places with them? I don't.

I'm afraid we have to accept that if we are to stay in the Premier League this is the way to do it. Burnley will never be able to compete with other teams financially so we have to do it any way we can even if it isn't the most entertaining football. How upset were the Manchester City supporters when they lost to Wigan? Will we ever be satisfied or are we determined to be unhappy?

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:27 pm

Spijed wrote:Even if we finish this season poorly we can still do well again next year.

Look at the start of this season compared to the end of last.

Although on the flip side, WBA are an example of a side who got themselves into a rut at the back end of last season and carried it into this.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:It's disappointing really that Dycheball has completely sucked out the excitement from the crowd, it feels like we're playing in an empty stadium.

We're 7th in the premier league.

Get yerself out for an hour or two, and have a little ponder on that fact over a pint or two.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:34 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:As woeful as us and got a point which took them out of the relegation zone so guess they’d see it as a good day.

I doubt it. I think, pre match, that they'd have been targeting this game as one they could win.

agreenwood wrote:Although on the flip side, WBA are an example of a side who got themselves into a rut at the back end of last season and carried it into this.

So, on balance, you could probably conclude that a team's form at the end of one season doesn't have any bearing on how they'll start the next one.

Also, there are massive extenuating circumstances for the rut that we find ourselves in at the moment, being the crippling injuries we've suffered and the way the fixtures have fallen.

holdyourfire · Post by **holdyourfire** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:35 pm

As i said to my mate at half time,it would be more fun listening to the singing ringing tree,than watching this shite.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:36 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The first glimpses of what it's going to be like every season for this forum when Burnley are just battling to stay mid table, like numerous other clubs/fans have done before them.

This is probably as good as it gets for Burnley barring major investment and already people are complaining/struggling with it.

It's s**t though, it's not even enjoyable, Turf Moor has turned into a graveyard and the football is the shi*test style of play I have ever seen, at least Stoke under Pulis went to aggressively win games we turn up to ''hang in there''. It's just so dull, you know it's dull when the fans can't be arsed to create an atmosphere. It depends on your opinion of the line between performance and result, some will sacrifice all enjoyment and excitement to scrape results, for me it comes to a point where I want more, something I don't think Dyche is capable of.

I just watched Fulham v Wolves, Fulham play some excellent stuff, carved a PL quality side open. Chance after chance pass and move, high tempo. Freedom for attackers to attack, pass through the lines. Basically everything we don't do. Now you will say ''well Fulham play in the Championship'' and I take your point but we played the same hoofball guff in the Championship when we were one of the ''big 4'' in that league.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:38 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I doubt it. I think, pre match, that they'd have been targeting this game as one they could win.

So, on balance, you could probably conclude that a team's form at the end of one season doesn't have any bearing on how they'll start the next one.

Also, there are massive extenuating circumstances for the rut that we find ourselves in at the moment, being the crippling injuries we've suffered and the way the fixture shave fallen.

Southampton fan with us plus the ones in the Ministry of Ale were more than happy with a point today.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:39 pm

Is it worth being in the Premiership to watch football like that? Not enjoyable at all today for me even if we'd have ground out the win.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:40 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Southampton fan with us plus the ones in the Ministry of Ale were more than happy with a point today.

Fair enough.

The one I've spoken to wasn't and is very concerned about relegation.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:43 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Yeah I felt the Swansea game was dull as ****.

However this is what it's going to be like most seasons regardless of manager barring a miraculous season or massive injection of money.

Southampton fans wanted Puel gone despite a decent league finish and a cup final due to poor football and they're worse off this season.

Grass isn't always greener and do we want to risk finding out?

We played the same football in the Championship when we were one of the top teams, this football isn't because we have to due to lack of quality compared to the opposition.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:44 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:But there were players out there today who shouldn’t have completed the 90.

Who?

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:44 pm

I don;t think lack of subs cost us the game. the game was lost bny doing our rather irritating late trick of falling asleep at the back and losing concentration in the last 10 minutes.

That said we had a number of decent chances to get attempts on target today and fluffed most of them. We desperately need a finisher in the side.

And it's not Vokes or Nkoudou.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:We played the same football in the Championship when we were one of the top teams, this football isn't because we have to due to lack of quality compared to the opposition.

A frustrating day but we have options to be more on the front foot in our squad.

No shock to see you leading the threads tonight what’s your mate Silva up to?

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:45 pm

Our current, fantastic, league position came about when we had Defour and Brady playing some of their best football (along with some excellent performances from the rest of the team)
Since their injuries, we have shown a real decline in team performances - I'm not one to search facts but I would presume that, if looking at say the last 10 league games, there won't be many teams that have a record worse than ours
And I'm not sure Dyche has come to terms of how to play without these two
It's only 2 games ago that we took on the best team in the land playing 4-4-2 and came away with a creditable point
Today we were playing a side in the bottom 3 and adopted a much more cautious approach and I can't understand why when we had a stronger squad as key players were back from injuries

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:We played the same football in the Championship when we were one of the top teams, this football isn't because we have to due to lack of quality compared to the opposition.

And yet we still finished with 93 points, in both seasons we went up, wasn't it?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:We played the same football in the Championship when we were one of the top teams, this football isn't because we have to due to lack of quality compared to the opposition.

You should probably just knock it on the head and go and watch Man City.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:47 pm

claretspice wrote:Who?

Your love child for 1. JBG another.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:47 pm

agreenwood wrote:Madeley will dominate the post-game debate, but it was a poor showing against a poor side.

There’s no fluidity in our attacking play at the moment and any semblance of sharpness is missing.

If we didn’t have so many poInts you’d be genuinely worried, because without a step change in performance we’re going to struggle to win matches.

Confidence AG. Without it, we look a bit clunky in attack, particularly with Westwood and Lennon bedding in. Win a game and like every team since the dawn of time, we will be a different proposition.

I'm baffled by the lack of tolerance for the importance of confidence. We've had a tough, unlucky run and got another bad break today. Of course that takes its toll.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:47 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You should probably just knock it on the head and go and watch Man City.

Yep. His mate Pep is there.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:48 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:A frustrating day but we have options to be more on the front foot in our squad.

No shock to see you leading the threads tonight what’s your mate Silva up to?

Don't know, he's a fantastic coach though.... he was sacked from Watford because he gave up when he didn't get his move to Everton.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:48 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Was talking to some Southampton fans in a pub after match who were saying how delighted we must be with our season so far. When you look at the bigger picture of course but recent performances are a worry especially bearing in mind teams like West Brom’s end to last season and impact it has had this year. Problem is we don’t scour enough or create chances where we look like scoring at the minute.

An excellent point about the similarities between WBA of last year and us, this.

We have a board of directors that are happy with anything above 17th place, and a manager, for all his qualities, lacking in imagination and flexibility.

We need to stop using our league position as a get out of jail free card, to excuse rank bad performances and a worrying lack of goal threat that in most years will see you relegated.

We need a win. ASAP.