Madrid vs Juve

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:They also allow loads more substitutions in friendlies than in other games. Maybe you didn't know that. And they give out far fewer yellows and reds in friendlies too. In fact quite often you'll see referees having a word with captains and managers if a player in a friendly is getting a little bit hot-headed and might get himself into trouble.

Yes, numbnuts, the officiating in friendlies is a little bit more relaxed than in Champions League quarter-finals. Why does this surprise you?

You are absolutely clueless. On that note im out. Night turdle.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:09 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You are absolutely clueless. On that note im out. Night turdle.

I think if this is the sum total of your argument it's obvious you've lost.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:10 pm

Turtle is right.

Why add time for something that has happened whilst play is stopped and during 5 mins of nonsense? He stops play with 30 seconds left and plays at least that after the pen is taken.

It’s a penalty. Soft but I don’t think the striker actually knew he was there so no blame on him. Defender realises he’s likely to head in so takes a chance and it backfires.

As much as I like Buffon and the romance of his saving the penalty. He had to walk for that reaction.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:12 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think if this is the sum total of your argument it's obvious you've lost.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9oYSSjFI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:13 pm

Turtle is right

Oh god no. Please not another one .

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:13 pm

You can actually argue he’s added time for the sending off as there is 8 plus minutes ‘played’.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:16 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:Turtle is right.

Why add time for something that has happened whilst play is stopped and during 5 mins of nonsense? He stops play with 30 seconds left and plays at least that after the pen is taken.

It’s a penalty. Soft but I don’t think the striker actually knew he was there so no blame on him. Defender realises he’s likely to head in so takes a chance and it backfires.

As much as I like Buffon and the romance of his saving the penalty. He had to walk for that reaction.

If you watch it back his reaction is over the top but I think he walks because Oliver feels a shove in his back. Watch closely as the Juve players swarm behind Buffon and push him into the ref. Still a sending off but I think Oliver assumed Buffon had shoved him in the back.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:21 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:Turtle is right.

He is, but yet again he's delivered it in a condescending clever dick manner.

He's incapable of replying in a normal manner to people.

There has to be venom in it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:24 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:He is, but yet again he's delivered it in a condescending clever dick manner.

He's incapable of replying in a normal manner to people.

There has to be venom in it.

As long as i'm right i don't give a **** how it's delivered. If you feel condescended to then that's your pathetic little problem.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:27 pm

When I started this thread how could I have known I would have unleashed such bitterness and acrimony?

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:31 pm

chekhov wrote:When I started this thread how could I have known I would have unleashed such bitterness and acrimony?

Most threads are the same,so don't feel bad about it..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:34 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Most threads are the same,so don't feel bad about it..

Shut your face!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:36 pm

chekhov wrote:When I started this thread how could I have known I would have unleashed such bitterness and acrimony?

This board is a bit like being in the natural world.

You have Lions, Butterflies, Wildebeest and Spitting Cobras.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:37 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Most threads are the same,so don't feel bad about it..

Too true. Someone will be bringing the Nazis very soon.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:41 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:This board is a bit like being in the natural world.

You have Lions, Butterflies, Wildebeest and Spitting Cobras.

Nice analogy. I quite fancy being a butterfly.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:47 pm

chekhov wrote:Nice analogy. I quite fancy being a butterfly.

Good choice sir.

The Butterflies on here are the good ones.

The problems on this board are always caused by the Lions, Wildebeest and the Spitting Cobras.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:47 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:This board is a bit like being in the natural world.

You have Lions, Butterflies, Wildebeest and Spitting Cobras.

And the "odd" turtle

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:50 pm

only thing Oliver got wrong was not sending off Benatia for the foul. Clear goal scoring opportunity, he'd already been booked too.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:51 pm

That's a penalty for me. If it was not given to Burnley 99% would be calling for the ref's head.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:57 pm

tim_noone wrote:And the "odd" turtle

He definitely comes under the umbrella of Spitting Cobra.

A Spitting Cobra can tolerate a Butterfly but never a Lion or Wildebeest.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:As long as i'm right i don't give a **** how it's delivered. If you feel condescended to then that's your pathetic little problem.

Remember this guy has nothing in real life. Nobody pays him any attention at all. This is why he acts like he does behind the anonymity of the internet. You almost have to feel sorry for these people. He'll always be pathetic at real life!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:11 pm

claretlegend wrote:That's a penalty for me. If it was not given to Burnley 99% would be calling for the ref's head.

But it wouldn't have been given to Burnley....where have you been all season ?

walter the softy · Post by **walter the softy** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:14 pm

Sproggy wrote:Laughable decision. On his way down before the contact. Football is becoming almost unwatchable.

That's the truth.

What a load of b#llocks that was at the end. Softest penalty in the world I reckon, even if to the letter of the law it could be right. The thing is though that the Real players were diving around all game to try to gain advantage. Is that what it takes to win a game these days? It reminded me of Dele Alli at the Turf this season. When falling to the floor is the decisive part of the match, it makes you wonder why you bother watching football in the first place. And that Ronaldo's celebration after the penalty was shameless. What a dickhead.

Summary: Champions League is a load of rubbish.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:23 pm

Clarinetclaret wrote:Remember this guy has nothing in real life. Nobody pays him any attention at all. This is why he acts like he does behind the anonymity of the internet. You almost have to feel sorry for these people. He'll always be pathetic at real life!

Who are you again?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:25 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:only thing Oliver got wrong was not sending off Benatia for the foul. Clear goal scoring opportunity, he'd already been booked too.

The law of 'last man' was changed a couple of years ago. It'd have only been a sending off offence had it been outside the area and it was a goal scoring opportunity. Inside the area it's a penalty and yellow card.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:The law of 'last man' was changed a couple of years ago. It'd have only been a sending off offence had it been outside the area and it was a goal scoring opportunity. Inside the area it's a penalty and yellow card.

It's still a red card if the defender is making no attempt to play the ball.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:32 pm

Tall Paul wrote:It's still a red card if the defender is making no attempt to play the ball.

I think it's clear enough he made an attempt to play the ball. He hooked his leg around the guy trying to kick the ball, and he almost did.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:41 pm

At least Olivers as consistent with making bad decisions as turdle is with making bad arguments...

Buffon shouts at him. Red card.

Joe Hart does this... no red card!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:At least Olivers as consistent with making bad decisions as turdle is with making bad arguments...

Buffon shouts at him. Red card.

Joe Hart does this... no red card!

If i've made a bad argument then offer a counter-argument. Explain what is bad about my argument and why your argument is right.

But you haven't, because you can't.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:00 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:If i've made a bad argument then offer a counter-argument. Explain what is bad about my argument and why your argument is right.

But you haven't, because you can't.

It wasnt a penalty.
It wasnt a red card.
It wasnt played on after the goal long enough.

Night hun.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:02 am

walter the softy wrote:That's the truth.

What a load of b#llocks that was at the end. Softest penalty in the world I reckon, even if to the letter of the law it could be right. The thing is though that the Real players were diving around all game to try to gain advantage. Is that what it takes to win a game these days? It reminded me of Dele Alli at the Turf this season. When falling to the floor is the decisive part of the match, it makes you wonder why you bother watching football in the first place. And that Ronaldo's celebration after the penalty was shameless. What a dickhead.

Summary: Champions League is a load of rubbish.

‘Softest penalty in the world’ is a slight exaggeration unless tonight was the first ever game you have seen in your life.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:15 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:The law of 'last man' was changed a couple of years ago. It'd have only been a sending off offence had it been outside the area and it was a goal scoring opportunity. Inside the area it's a penalty and yellow card.

yeah that's my point, Benatia had already been booked, he gave away a pen, so it should have been another booking

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:26 am

If only a slight exaggeration.....maybe it was in the soft penalty bracket. It certainly wasn't a blatant penalty,it was a very theatrical fall to the ground.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:28 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:It wasnt a penalty.
It wasnt a red card.
It wasnt played on after the goal long enough.

Night hun.

How long after the goal should it have been played? If 2.5 of 3 added minutes had already been played before the penalty was given. How long after the kick off should the game have continued?

This is very easy mathematics. Lets see how you do.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:39 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:How long after the goal should it have been played? If 2.5 of 3 added minutes had already been played before the penalty was given. How long after the kick off should the game have continued?

This is very easy mathematics. Lets see how you do.

Curse my tongue and burn my eyes in my sockets but I agree with him on the added time.

This does not make him Socrates needless to say but still an argumentative little algorithm web based virus of the highest order on a messageboard otherwise filled with charlatans and quipsters the like who have not been witnessed in millenia.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:05 am

Another rigged game, UEFA really hate the Italians....

Goals scored in the last 10 Champions League quarter-finals:

Lionel Messi - 0
Cristiano Ronaldo - 15

Goals scored when their teams are losing in the Champions League:

Cristiano Ronaldo - 23
Lionel Messi - 4

Cristiano Ronaldo has the most Champions League:

Goals
Home goals
Away goals
Group stage goals
Quarter-final goals
Semi-final goals
Final goals
Free-kicks
Penalties
Headers
Braces
Hat-tricks
Assists

...And he's now scored in a record ELEVEN consecutive matches.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:32 am

KRBFC wrote:Another rigged game, UEFA really hate the Italians....

Goals scored in the last 10 Champions League quarter-finals:

Lionel Messi - 0
Cristiano Ronaldo - 15

Goals scored when their teams are losing in the Champions League:

Cristiano Ronaldo - 23
Lionel Messi - 4

Cristiano Ronaldo has the most Champions League:

Goals
Home goals
Away goals
Group stage goals
Quarter-final goals
Semi-final goals
Final goals
Free-kicks
Penalties
Headers
Braces
Hat-tricks
Assists

...And he's now scored in a record ELEVEN consecutive matches.

The amount of people who would rather watch Messi than Ronaldo..............Zillions.

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KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:53 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:The amount of people who would rather watch Messi than Ronaldo..............Zillions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_Se7BtSQg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Running down the wing, hear United sing.....

VIVAAA RONALDOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:13 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Who are you again?

The one calling you out for being nobody in real life! Let's face it, your life exists on the internet, arguing and trolling. Your imaginary wife and kids must be so proud!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:45 am

Clarinetclaret wrote:The one calling you out for being nobody in real life! Let's face it, your life exists on the internet, arguing and trolling. Your imaginary wife and kids must be so proud!

I don't imagine to have a wife and kids. But if i did i think they'd be thankful they weren't yours.

What's your problem with me exactly? What'd i do to upset you? Do you even remember?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:57 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:This board is a bit like being in the natural world.

You have Lions, Butterflies, Wildebeest and Spitting Cobras.

The big question, how do you class yourself?

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:00 am

Seen e penalty a few times now. It's a tough one. Very soft but i can seen why it's given as the defender goes in from behind.

All i can say with any certainty is if that's Mee on Aubameyang at the Emirates it's given but if it's Mustafi on Wood it isn't!

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:15 am

The game I've enjoyed the most this season was the draw at home with City. They were the better team, went ahead but we dug in, held on, had a bit of luck but managed to find a way to get a goal at the end. Hardly any of the usual Premier League play acting, refereed fairly well - a proper game of football. Then you get games like Arsenal at home, Spurs at home, City away and the game last night where a decent contest is ruined by the referee awarding the softest of penalties, engineered by the player waiting for, then exaggerating a touch that they would otherwise hardly notice to win a penalty and change the game.

Maybe the idea is to drive people like me away from the sport and usher in a new generation of supporters who prefer the theatre, are happy to sit quietly, pay the going rate and watch a bunch of over-paid actors play out a pre-determined pantomime. It's turning into the new Saturday afternoon wrestling.

I've cancelled Sky and don't miss it. I have BT Sport as part of my internet package and tuned in last night at 0-2. I wish I hadn't. If it wasn't for Burnley I could quite happily not watch a Premier League game all season. The Champions League is worse and I can't wait for the World Cup this summer where on top of everything else we'll have the lunacy that is VAR to contend with.

walter the softy · Post by **walter the softy** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:39 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:‘Softest penalty in the world’ is a slight exaggeration unless tonight was the first ever game you have seen in your life.

Not the first game I have ever seen in my life but, true, I very rarely watch Champion's League because a) the format is rigged and they are not even all champions of their domestic leagues b) it feels more like a Hollywood spectacle than a football game with all that stupid music and fireworks and c) decisions like last night's just leave me feeling cheated.

walter the softy · Post by **walter the softy** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:42 am

Sproggy wrote:
Maybe the idea is to drive people like me away from the sport and usher in a new generation of supporters who prefer the theatre, are happy to sit quietly, pay the going rate and watch a bunch of over-paid actors play out a pre-determined pantomime. It's turning into the new Saturday afternoon wrestling.

Feel exactly the same. The sport is going to end up killing itself though.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:56 am

Definite penalty for me. The way the Juve players were jostling Oliver was shocking, they should receive punishment for that. Buffon wouldn't stop mouthing off after he was told to walk and should receive further punishment for that. I thought Oliver did well under the circumstances.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:03 am

Maybe the idea is to drive people like me away from the sport and usher in a new generation of supporters who prefer the theatre, are happy to sit quietly, pay the going rate and watch a bunch of over-paid actors play out a pre-determined pantomime. It's turning into the new Saturday afternoon wrestling.

I said more or less the same to my wife yesterday. I was wondering at what point it starts pushing fans away from the sport. I also said the same about it basically being a show like wrestling. You can't watch a game for more than a couple of minutes nowadays without seeing a player diving and/or feigning injury in order to deceive the referee. Not enough is done about it and that's my biggest criticism of UEFA and the FA. It should have been stamped out a long time ago.

I also think it would be naive of us to underestimate how corrupt UEFA is and how much the results of certain big games are guided to a particular outcome. If that's indeed the case then the truth will out eventually. Mind you, it's probably me just being paranoid.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:27 am

beddie wrote:Definite penalty for me. The way the Juve players were jostling Oliver was shocking, they should receive punishment for that. Buffon wouldn't stop mouthing off after he was told to walk and should receive further punishment for that. I thought Oliver did well under the circumstances.

With all due respect - I think that’s utter sh-ite !

Oliver saw he was on the big stage and just like the referee in the City game he wanted to make the game all about him.

You could tell from the reaction of Vasquez that he played for it - the only thing he did not do was the Ronaldo wink !
The Juve defender had his hand on his back - he did not push him but as soon as he felt it he flung himself to the floor. Very much like Ramsay against us - completely unnatural to fall like that with so little contact. The exaggeration is blatant cheating.

As for Buffons’ and the Juve players reaction - what do you expect given the magnitude of the decision and the game ? I doubt that there would be one of the top European teams who would have reacted any differently. Again Oliver was pathetic in sending off Buffon - he had lost control and did not know what to do. To doubly penalise Juve like he did was disgraceful.

How the hell Oliver got a game like that to referee is beyond me - hopefully his display means he won’t get another. I thought that no English referee was going to the World Cup ? So how does he get that game ?

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:48 am

TVC15 wrote:How the hell Oliver got a game like that to referee is beyond me - hopefully his display means he won’t get another. I thought that no English referee was going to the World Cup ? So how does he get that game ?

I have to say that I was very surprised when I saw he was referee. It's a valid question to ask how he gets a champions league quarter final but isn't deemed good enough for any stage of the world cup. Unsure how they're chosen though and whether there is different criteria.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:50 am

Buffons View
"I know the referee saw what he saw, but it was certainly a dubious incident. Not clear-cut. And a dubious incident at the 93rd minute when we had a clear penalty denied in the first leg, you cannot award that at this point.

"The team gave its all, but a human being cannot destroy dreams like that at the end of an extraordinary comeback on a dubious situation.

"Clearly you cannot have a heart in your chest, but a bag of rubbish. On top of that, if you don't have the character to walk on a pitch like this in a stadium like this, you can sit in the stands with your wife, your kids, having your drink and eating crisps.

"You cannot ruin the dreams of a team. I could've told the referee anything at that moment, but he had to understand the degree of the disaster he was creating.

"If you can't handle the pressure and have the courage to make a decision, then you should just sit in the stands and eat your crisps."

I’m pretty sure had that been Dybala at the other end he’d have a far different view had it not been given. Made an absolute arse out of himself last night.