Getting beat up by your Dad.

[Blackrod]

A clip round the ear is one thing. A smack never did me any harm although the threat of it was more scary. Being beaten is something entirely different and can scar people mentally for life. Not something I have experienced but I feel for anyone who has. I can't say Ive seen swearing affect anyone adversely.

[tim_noone]

I know very well parents influence a child’s behaviour.

However, let’s not distract from the offensive point you made in your post - which is getting beat up / abused by your parents explains the attitudes and comments of some the posters on this board.

Why do you not tell us exactly who you are referring to (though i’m guessing it’s the people on this thread) and also let us all know WTF rationale you have for saying such a stupid, arrogant and offensive statement ?

I wouldnt engage.......its to nice a day to be on the end of a line!

[evensteadiereddie]

Whoa, lad, steady on.
You honestly think I'm referring to the poor sods on this specific thread rather than the intolerant, racist, largely right-wing nut jobs infesting most of the other threads on this board.
I apologise for the simple yet honest mistake you've made but please don't make me out to be a critic of this thread's posters or mocking any suffering that any of these guys have suffered - that's just sheer laziness!
In fairness to you and this thread, I'm sure there's a myriad of reasons why racism, intolerance, suspicion, petty jealousy, greed and so on are created in a person.
As I've suggested some will be due to parental influence, some not.

[TVC15]

He ain’t fishing - it would be better if he was.
Worryingly he actually believes what he is saying

[TVC15]

Whoa, lad, steady on.
You honestly think I'm referring to the poor sods on this specific thread rather than the intolerant, racist, largely right-wing nut jobs infesting most of the other threads on this board.
I apologise for the simple yet honest mistake you've made but please don't make me out to be a critic of this thread's posters or mocking any suffering that any of these guys have suffered - that's just sheer laziness!
In fairness to you and this thread, I'm sure there's a myriad of reasons why racism, intolerance, suspicion, petty jealousy, greed and so on are created in a person.
As I've suggested some will be due to parental influence, some not.

Mistake i’ve made ?
Don’t try and squirm out of what you have said.
You posted your comments on this thread and it’s a pretty logical assumption to think you were referring to people on this thread since it’s them who were sharing their experiences.

You were the one equating getting beat up by your parents “going a long way” to explaining some of the views of posters on this forum - whether it’s people on this thread or not is kind of irrelevant (but it’s kind of a big coincidence) so why do you not clear up the whole confusion and tell everybody who specifically you are referring to ?

[evensteadiereddie]

Jesus, selective reading or what ?
My first post talked about the "ignorant" and "intolerant" on this board.
The post above refers also to the unpleasant traits of racism, suspicion, petty jealousy and greed and so on often shown on the many threads this forum offers, usually by the more extreme supporters of the Right. I'll leave it to individuals to assess how many of these apply to them specifically..
I was using the issue highlighted by the OP, in a roundabout, general and NOT personal way, to explore parental influence upon a child, adding the rider - I'll repeat it yet again, hoping you'll finally notice it - that negative parental influence does not always stick.
I don't think there's anything contentious in there, tbh.

By all means, carry on believing that I'm attacking posters on this particular thread if it makes you happy and suits your own personal, peculiar agenda. I can only repeat that is exactly the opposite of what I'm doing - no back-tracking, no squirming, just your failure to grasp my point.
I'll make it less complicated next time.

[TVC15]

“Getting beaten up by their fathers on a regular basis goes a long way towards explaining the views and attitudes offered by some on here.........”

Ok no squirming - my mistake. Thanks a bunch for making it “less complicated”.....not patronising at all.

Just a small point tell me how does your original quote above bear any resemblance to your last couple of posts as you try to justify what you “really meant” ?

Aye no squirming at all.

As I have asked you on at least 2 occasions now exactly which posters who have said they have been beat up their dads were you referring to as “going a long way” to explaining their views.

It’s really confusing as you now say it’s none of the posters on this thread so in my simple world of not being quite as clever as you that must mean that you are aware of other “right wing” posters on this forum who have been beat up by their parents - which is quite interesting how you know this.

Go on - make it “less complicated” for the likes of me and explain your original post and who you are referring to ?

Or alternatively try and be a clever arse and come up with another load of ******** to deflect from the fact that you clearly were referring to some of the posters on this thread.

[evensteadiereddie]

"the fact that you clearly were referring to some of the posters on this thread."

I can't make it any less complicated than saying, yet again, that my comments were aimed at OTHER posters on other thread. OTHER. OTHER.
Got it ?
Good.
Those are the posters I'm referring to. You know, the other nut-jobs, the ones not on this thread. On other threads.

You choose not to believe it, fine by me, I really couldn't care less.

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this issue and, for some reason, have selected to make this some kind of personal vendetta and I hope, in time, you are able to resolve it because it's not really making any sense on here.
As for me, I can only apologise for the mistake you keep making. You're wrong about my motives but hey, you've managed to make a thread with an unpleasant issue even more unsavoury.
Time to leave it at that, I think.

[ksrclaret]

Getting beaten up by their fathers on a regular basis goes a long way towards explaining the views and attitudes offered by some on here.........

Wow. Horrible and insensitive comment or what.

Take your medicine young man.

[TVC15]

"the fact that you clearly were referring to some of the posters on this thread."

I can't make it any less complicated than saying, yet again, that my comments were aimed at OTHER posters on other thread. OTHER. OTHER.
Got it ?
Good.
Those are the posters I'm referring to. You know, the other nut-jobs, the ones not on this thread. On other threads.

You choose not to believe it, fine by me, I really couldn't care less.

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this issue and, for some reason, have selected to make this some kind of personal vendetta and I hope, in time, you are able to resolve it because it's not really making any sense on here.
As for me, I can only apologise for the mistake you keep making. You're wrong about my motives but hey, you've managed to make a thread with an unpleasant issue even more unsavoury.
Time to leave it at that, I think.

Really embarrassing yourself aren’t you now ?

As I said which “other” posters NOT on this thread do you know who have been beaten up by their dads ?

[TVC15]

Oh and btw I chose to make it a personal vendetta because of your original post and your refusal to apologise for it or withdraw it all together.

But instead you try and justify it and dig yourself further into your own stupid hole.

Next time I suggest you do not try and make a clever snipe at posters when you are nowhere near as clever as you think you are.

And you say I am not making any sense when you are now saying you are talking about other posters not on this thread who have been beat up by their dads and that goes a long way to explain their views even though you do not know one other poster not on this thread who has been beat up by his dad !! Does that make enough “sense” for you ?!!!

[evensteadiereddie]

Wow. Horrible and insensitive comment or what.

Take your medicine young man.

If you take the time to read the whole thread, you'll find -despite a few ignorant but well-meaning interventions - I have explained my view quite cogently. Too cogently for some, admittedly, but that's their problem.
I can only apologise if you've not understood and taken offence...

[TVC15]

Why do they have to read the whole thread when they are referring to your original post ?

Every other post you made is trying to justify what you “really meant” but apparently chose not to say. Is it one of those that we need to read between the lines ?

[evensteadiereddie]

My post 58 nails it, TVC.


[quote="TVC15"]Oh and btw I chose to make it a personal vendetta because of your original post and your refusal to apologise for it or withdraw it all together.

But instead you try and justify it and dig yourself further into your own stupid hole.

Next time I suggest you do not try and make a clever snipe at posters when you are nowhere near as clever as you think you are.

And you say I am not making any sense when you are now saying you are talking about other posters not on this thread who have been beat up by their dads and that goes a long way to explain their
views even though you do not know one other poster not on this thread who has been beat up by his dad !! Does that make enough “sense” for you ?!!![/quoteI



I'm neither apologising nor withdrawing (oooer, Missus) anything.
I've explained my view time and time again, you choose to ignore what I say for some reason and come across as - and I'm sure you're not in real life - a bit precious.
I've even revised the wording on my original post to make it absolutely crystal clear - yes, even to you - to whom I was referrring, rendering your subsequent confused and rambling posts even more irrelevant.
You're welcome.

[ksrclaret]

If you take the time to read the whole thread, you'll find -despite a few ignorant but well-meaning interventions - I have explained my view quite cogently. Too cogently for some, admittedly, but that's their problem.
I can only apologise if you've not understood and taken offence...

Okay I'll let you off since you're obviously only young. I'm sure you'll grow up to be more empathetic and less ignorant one day.

[evensteadiereddie]

Cheers, Pops !

[TVC15]

Not precious at all - I just enjoy calling out people who have been a pr-ick on any thread like you have.

Does not matter whether they are left or right wing - it’s not the sole domain of either to be a pr-ick. The irony this time is that it’s quite clear which side of the political fence I sit on from my other posts.

What I enjoy even more is that when people like you refuse to apologise because all it shows are your true deep seated prejudices and beliefs and it in true “squirming” fashion you refuse to answer the main question but i’ll give it one more go just for you.

Which “other” posters NOT on this thread do you think getting beat up by their dad goes a long way to explaining their views ?

Forget about everything else and just answer the question as it is you and only you who said this.

[evensteadiereddie]

I have no interest in your political leanings.
To answer your question regarding other posters, a proportion, however small, of those with racist, intolerant, greedy, petty, jealous and so on views on this forum are, statistically speaking, likely to have been beaten as a child. That's a fact as with people in all walks of life so it's not exclusive to this board, I shouldn't imagine but if you want to pretend it is, please carry on.

If you're trying to suggest that I'm claiming that a beaten child AUTOMATICALLY equals a typical moronic, BFC forum right-wing nut job, you really have no right to be discussing such a serious issue on here, it's a subject way beyond your lazy grasp.

There are plenty of other people, beaten or not, as I've pointed out, who do and don't share those traits. Not all bad or good influences, for that matter, stick.

Problem with that ?

[TVC15]

Actually I do not have a problem with that per se. It’s all pretty uninteresting and logical - you are just stating the bleeding obvious.

Just like a proportion of people with left wing views will have been beat up by their dad. Simple, boring and meaningless statistical fact that adds nothing to the thread.

The problem I do have is that is nothing like what you originally said. Just to remind you and everyone else what you said it was that “Getting beaten up by their fathers on a regular basis goes a long way towards explaining the views and attitudes offered by some on here”......followed by several posts of utter sh-ite trying to squirm your way out of your original post.

Why did you not say that getting beat up by your father goes a long way to explain the reasonable and fair minded views and attitudes of some on here ? Surely what you are saying now is the same for both - ie statistically there will be some people etc

We all know what you were actually saying - so why dance around it pretending ? Just simply admit it. You think that getting beat up by their dads goes a long way in explaining why some of those people on THIS thread have the extreme right wing views they do.

Or don’t admit it as it pretty obvious to the rest of us.

[evensteadiereddie]

What's pretty obvious is that after trying to explain myself to you at least five or six times on here, you appear to be too much of an arrogant pr-ick to consider my view although there do seem to be a few signs of you having a little bit of a clue as to what's going on.

I'm sure you're a bit more reasonable in real life but hey ho.

Your deliberate misunderstanding and personal abuse is all fine by me, I hope it all helps you resolve your issues soon.

[Damo]

Wtf?
A bit rich you calling people ignorant with views like the ones you have expressed here Eddie.
And to think you used to work with children

[evensteadiereddie]

Aye and to think you can't read and understand something without having any bias towards its author. I'm shocked by your response.
I would have thought working with children and their parents for so long would have lent me a little more insight into this than most but you and your cronies tend to know it all so to hell with the facts, eh ? I must bow to your superior knowledge and experience .......
Nah, to be honest, your lazy and shallow response is exactly what I expected. Upsetting and confusing the likes of you only reinforces the validity of my view and the crass stupidity of others that can't be bothered to take time to read and consider a thread's content properly.
I'm sure the rest of your gang will be along later....


Damo...tick.
Next ?

[Damo]

Aye and to think you can't read and understand something without having any bias towards its author. I'm shocked by your response.
I would have thought working with children and their parents for so long would have lent me a little more insight into this than most but you and your cronies tend to know it all so to hell with the facts, eh ? I must bow to your superior knowledge and experience .......
Nah, to be honest, your lazy and shallow response is exactly what I expected. Upsetting and confusing the likes of you only reinforces the validity of my view and the crass stupidity of others that can't be bothered to take time to read and consider a thread's content properly.
I'm sure the rest of your gang will be along later....


Damo...tick.
Next ?

Probably explains why you don't work with them any longer.
I bet your nonsense garners the odd smirk on the building site at least

[TVC15]

What's pretty obvious is that after trying to explain myself to you at least five or six times on here, you appear to be too much of an arrogant pr-ick to consider my view although there do seem to be a few signs of you having a little bit of a clue as to what's going on.

I'm sure you're a bit more reasonable in real life but hey ho.

Your deliberate misunderstanding and personal abuse is all fine by me, I hope it all helps you resolve your issues soon.

Arrogant Pr-ick eh ?

And you are calling me out for personal abuse against you ?

Its funny how everyone else is wrong and you think you are right.

Eh and don`t think for one minute I am showing a "few signs" of understanding what you are saying. The only thing I said was that one of your posts was correct in so much that it was a simple factual statement on statistics which was also meaningless and completely irrelevant to what you originally posted.

I do not agree with much of the right wing political posts and views expressed on this forum but this thread had nothing to do with this until you decided to post something that was abusive, insulting and ignorant. It was also personal to posters on this forum and do not pretend for one second that you were making a generic type statement like you are now backtracking and trying to because it is there in black and white....and you have quite rightly been called out for what you are.

And yes it makes me shudder that you worked with children with these views.

You're a fuc-king embarrassment - and just for clarification that is personal to you.

[bluelabrador16]

evensteadiereddie

Why don't you simply delete all the posts you have made on this thread.

[evensteadiereddie]

With your posting history and the ridicule you generally receive, you're in good company with Damo and TVC, bluelab. This board's "intellectual heavyweights" all in one net........who'd have thought it ? Another apparent halfwit who can't or won't understand.
I must admit, of all the other morons to turn up, you were not on the list but there you go. Good job, lad.

[TVC15]

With your posting history and the ridicule you generally receive, you're in good company with Damo and TVC, bluelab. This board's "intellectual heavyweights" all in one net........who'd have thought it ? Another apparent halfwit who can't or won't understand.
I must admit, of all the other morons to turn up, you were not on the list but there you go. Good job, lad.

Still on your own here Ed....making yourself looking a bigger pr-ick with every post you make.

[evensteadiereddie]

Wow.
On my own against three or four of what appear to be this board's most ignorant posters based on their clear inability or unwillingness to understand the most basic of points on this thread. I think I'll manage.
I think I'll cope for two reasons : one, I'm right (read my posts and follow my argument) two, you're a dickhead (read your responses and cringe)

Here to help.

[Imploding Turtle]

Eddie, are you ok?

[Reb]

Trying to ignore all the ridiculous rubbish and in fighting on this thread and going back to the OP - no child should be hit by an adult. It serves no disciplinary purpose and teaches young people that they should use violence to get what they want in life. It leaves them unable to make positive attachments to people and can seriously damage their ability to form meaningful relationships. If you have to hit a child to get them to do what you want you are already an unfit parent and if you choose to hit a child you are an unfit human being.

[evensteadiereddie]

Aye IT, I'm fine. Stunned by the sheer idiocy of one or two on here but fine.

At last, a decent response.

[pushpinpussy]

drama: dumb retards asking for more attention. you guys need to grow up. its embarrassing

[TVC15]

Read my responses and cringe ?
Yeh ok - cos this is a perfectly normal thing to say :

“Getting beaten up by their fathers on a regular basis goes a long way towards explaining the views and attitudes offered by some on here”

Don’t try and become the big hard man either because you have been called out. Hells teeth - did you really work with children ?

[fidelcastro]

I am jealous of the excellent relationships some people I know have with their fathers.

Although we speak, my dad's brutal ways when I was growing up have ensured that we will never be close.

We don't speak about it, as I'm damn sure he still believes he did nothing wrong, and probably wouldn't admit it if he did.

Sad really.

[Damo]

I would 're read your own comments on a sensitive matter like this before calling other people ignorant.
Infact, don't bother. It's obvious you are far too ignorant yourself to realise how stupid your comments are.
I probably should of left you to it knowing what kind of poster you are, but my Mrs is a restorative parent and hearing directly what some children go through meant your pig sh** thick comments touched a nerve.
I will leave you to it now. Enjoy trying to save face with some insinuations of racism or whatever comes next

[evensteadiereddie]

Yeah, yeah, jabber, jabber.

I tried to stop this garbage way back at post 58 but the TVC numpty and his poodles continued their pointless and false argument pursuing whatever agenda they have decided to follow.
I really don't know or care what's upset you personally , damo, you've clearly not read or understood the whole thread so again, that's your problem and sadly there's not a lot I can do.

As for TVC and his
"Don’t try and become the big hard man either because you have been called out. Hells teeth - did you really work with children ?"
Where the hell to start ?
Why should I or anybody on here "become the big hard man" whatever that means.............

You making stupid, irrational comments about a subject you do not understand hardly constitutes being "called out", particularly by an intellectual and emotional pygmy such as yourself. Don't flatter yourself, lad.

And yes, I worked with kids and parents very successfully for forty years. I suspect you've f-uck all experience of anything of any significance.
I don't see how working with kids and parents prevents me from commenting on er, kids and parents but let's pretend you aren't desperately clutching at straws, eh ?

Anyway, read post 58, that says it all, you and the rest of your gang can carry on blowing smoke up each other.....have fun, boys.

[Longsidebovril]

Another thread ruined

[evensteadiereddie]

Fraid so.

[TVC15]

Aaaah diddums - you seem upset.
Are you upset that nobody agreed with your insult that some posters on this forum (not on this thread of course !!) have their extreme right wing views because they were beat up by their dads ?

Why the hell would I bother reading your posts again ? You can carry on posting all the excuses you want for your original post - it won’t change what you originally said or meant.

What was it again you originally said ?
“Getting beaten up by their fathers on a regular basis goes a long way towards explaining the views and attitudes offered by some on here”

Oh yes that’s it - perfectly logical and reasonably thing to say !

[evensteadiereddie]

Stop posting, you're making a dick of yourself.
Let it go, nobody's bothered any more.

[LoveCurryPies]

Like father, like son.
The values of ignorance and intolerance more likely than not to be held by a violent pig of a father are, more likely than not, to be passed on.
Whether they stick is another matter.

As OP, I can say getting punched by my father made me more determined to be a good father. My children are now in their 20’s, well adjusted, successful and all without experiencing childhood violence.

[TVC15]

Nah it’s ok - i’m happy to carry on showing up the real dick here.

Remind me again - was it you who said this ?
“Getting beaten up by their fathers on a regular basis goes a long way towards explaining the views and attitudes offered by some on here”

Will be great reminding you of this plenty more times in the future.

[bluelabrador16]

I was thinking what a brave act by LoveCurryPies to start a thread on a rather painful and emotive subject of child abuse. I felt admiration for the many posters who replied with their own recollections of childhood.

Then comes post 42:

Getting beaten up by their fathers on a regular basis goes a long way towards explaining the views and attitudes offered by some posters on this forum.

What a nasty and insensitive thing to say.

I naively thought the following might help:

Post 75.....evensteadiereddie

Why don't you simply delete all the posts you have made on this thread.

[TVC15]

Nah you’re mistaken - read post 58 and all the other 200 posts trying to explain what he said

He was talking generically
It wasn’t about the posters on this thread
It was about posters on other threads
He’s worked with children for 40 years
He’s cleverer than you
You’re a dick-head
You’re just one of the retard gang
Bla bla bla

[Claretuk]

Nah you’re mistaken - read post 58 and all the other 200 posts trying to explain what he said

He was talking generically
It wasn’t about the posters on this thread
It was about posters on other threads
He’s worked with children for 40 years
He’s cleverer than you
You’re a dick-head
You’re just one of the retard gang
Bla bla bla

You made your point, now let it go n move on man.. you do know we are in Europa next season! utc..

[TVC15]

You made your point, now let it go n move on man.. you do know we are in Europa next season! utc..

Yes I do and that is of course a smashing thing !

[evensteadiereddie]

Nah you’re mistaken - read post 58 and all the other 200 posts trying to explain what he said

He was talking generically
It wasn’t about the posters on this thread
It was about posters on other threads
He’s worked with children for 40 years
He’s cleverer than you
You’re a dick-head
You’re just one of the retard gang
Bla bla bla

Oh, dear.
Your stuff about "200 posts" is clearly complete ********.
You did get the rest of your summary right, though.

I hope your pain eases overnight, I've clearly upset you so much today it's going to take some time to get over.
Now that's both sad and weird but, again, not my problem. Get over it or don't, everyone apart from you seems to have moved on.

G'night, kid, sleep tight.
We all love you in spite of your weakness.
xxx

[Burnleybabe]

Yes I was as were some of my Siblings, and My Mum.
We always said he was ruled by the moon.
When there was a full moon, we would be very careful not to upset him.
The smallest thing could set him off.
I am not going to explain what he did, but it was more than a bloody good hiding.
But to him that's all it was.
It had a big effect on all of us, even to this day.
He died 15 years ago and I still miss him like hell, as he was also a great Dad in other ways.

[TVC15]

Yep night night
You sleep tight tiger and see if you can dream up of any more excuses for coming out with these words of wisdom :

“Getting beaten up by their fathers on a regular basis goes a long way towards explaining the views and attitudes offered by some on here”
Evensteadierdickeddie 29.04.2018

[Taffy on the wing]

No end of it in our house!........somehow though all the screaming and yelling seems to have had the longest lasting effects!
The you'll never be any good at anything! no matter what you do or did etc.......relentless and effective. He died last year..no tears from me.
Funny thing is, i just assumed everyone else was being treated the same.