FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:42 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Will it be racist if we boo Martin Olson or Shane Duffy. Booing is not racist. Words can be racist. Only heard booing on tv.

The problem is now their fans are actually e-mailing kickitout and making up stories about what we have supposedly done. Its a dirty attempt to get their mud to stick because they know the booing won't be enough on it's own.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:45 pm

Wonder how they'll interpret it when their allegations of racist chanting are found "not proven"...

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:47 pm

Perhaps they’ll smear **** in our changing rooms next time we play there?

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:56 pm

A nothing club who gained safety in the premier league who not for the first time are seeking attention ladies and gentleman.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:00 pm

CombatClaret wrote:So is trying to shame and silence a player for exercising his right not to be, in his opinion, racially abused.

An incident which has been deemed unprovable, not false.

The tribunal only had 2 verdicts available to them - Proven or Not Proven. They were not allowed to describe either party as either 'guilty' nor 'innocent'.

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:09 pm

Cornerstone of the British legal system is Innocent until proven guilty, so the FA say Jay is innocent.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:21 pm

yorkyclaret wrote:Cornerstone of the British legal system is Innocent until proven guilty, so the FA say Jay is innocent.

Very true, but isn't it also the case that someone being found innocent doesn't necessarily mean that the complainant / plaintiff has been anything less than truthful?
In this case the hearing didn't agree with Bong's interpretation, or found insufficient evidence to support his complaint. They did make it clear however that they did not question his integrity.
The only questionable area about Bong's behaviour is his failure to let it go once the decision had been made. Was this enough to make him the target of the "boo-boys"?
We will all have our own views on this.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:31 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No, I'm f*cking embarrased by our town being continually linked with racism due to the actions of our supporters/townspeople

Yes well done. It's already bern pointed out it was one idiot at Bradford who was turned in by other fans. Exactly the same thing would happen at Turf Moor certainly where I sit. If you are embarrassed by our support as a whole I really think you should support another club. Perhaps join in the plastics at Brighton where you can whinge about everything.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:36 pm

pureclaret wrote:I think JT claret is correct in his description of what happened.
I do not think anyone should be discriminated against for colour, race, religion, or any defamation of character or beliefs.
But I do believe the FA handled it badly with the not proven but that the player did not make a malicious or fabricated complaint.
And then if Botong had not then carried it on, I dont think it would have happened.
I feel that the town full of racists chant was proven by the FA..
I said before the match that they would boo him not because of his coulour but due to him making a complaint against JR that was not proven.
He is when all said and done a ''Boy done good'''' from our town, so it was always likely to be a problem.
I am more worried over the points deduction, behind closed doors games and the not fit to play in Europe that bound to come our way.

Well a complaint should then be made to UEFA and FIFA so that all Russian clubs get banned where racism is rife and disgusting. Oh hang on the World Cup is there ....

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:45 pm

Its all got very silly now, can't believe the FA have actually issued a statement criticising fans for booing at a football match!
I never have and never will boo players (our own or the opposition) but if other folk feel the need to that's up to them.
I assume the FA will be issuing a similar statement if Mr Rodriquez is similarly booed by Brighton fans next time he plays against them?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 pm

yorkyclaret wrote:Cornerstone of the British legal system is Innocent until proven guilty, so the FA say Jay is innocent.

And surely if someone makes a serious accusation against another it's up to the accuser to prove it.
Bong could not prove that he had been racially abused, and quite possibly he was not.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:09 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Most people agree that the booing was a little OTT and unnecessary but understandable (hence why I didn’t join in).

Most people also agree though (apart from the ultra-liberals) that Bong was wrong and should have held out an olive branch after the hearing, when he had heard evidence such as the lip reader, seen TV footage, and seen from how upset Jay was that he had obviously not said it. I reckon 10,000+ in the stand last Saturday would agree with that, and I reckon 500 of them would be the type to boo Bong for it, which they have a right to do, however crass, as long as they are not booing his ethnicity, which they were not.

You have to encourage BAME people to come forward about this kind of thing, but you also have to encourage white people to support BAME people in doing so. This whole incident, especially the behaviour of the FA and BHA, doesn’t do the latter. I’ll let our club off for their statement, because they were suddenly put in a no win position by the FA.

No he wasn't wrong, the case was unproven due to lack of evidence. Why would he seriously hold out an olive branch when he obviously still feels aggrieved at the case outcome after feeling he's been racially abused. You can have lip readers all you want, Rodriguez had his hand over his mouth nor does it matter what Rodriguez's reaction was after. Soon to be convicted murderers cry in court all the time, does that mean they're innocent? The simple fact is everybody is jumping on Bong and saying he was in the wrong because Jay Rod was born locally and used to play for us 6 years ago. If this was Jason Shackell and Emile Heskey, the same posters on here would be slamming Shackell at every opportunity regardless of the evidence.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:No he wasn't wrong, the case was unproven due to lack of evidence. Why would he seriously hold out an olive branch when he obviously still feels aggrieved at the case outcome after feeling he's been racially abused. You can have lip readers all you want, Rodriguez had his hand over his mouth nor does it matter what Rodriguez's reaction was after. Soon to be convicted murderers cry in court all the time, does that mean they're innocent? The simple fact is everybody is jumping on Bong and saying he was in the wrong because Jay Rod was born locally and used to play for us 6 years ago. If this was Jason Shackell and Emile Heskey, the same posters on here would be slamming Shackell at every opportunity regardless of the evidence.

Bong was not in the wrong by making the accusation, however, he will not let it drop, in spite of the case being not proven. He has chosen to go to the local press and continue with his accusation. I will ask you again ---what is he trying to achieve?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:18 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Bong was not in the wrong by making the accusation, however, he will not let it drop, in spite of the case being not proven. He has chosen to go to the local press and continue with his accusation. I will ask you again ---what is he trying to achieve?

Why do you think he went to the local press? Why can't you believe that they went to him and asked him questions? And why shouldn't he answer those questions if he wants to?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:18 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Bong was not in the wrong by making the accusation, however, he will not let it drop, in spite of the case being not proven. He has chosen to go to the local press and continue with his accusation. I will ask you again ---what is he trying to achieve?

I don't know what he's trying to achieve, I don't believe he should just be forced into silence if he feels he's been racially abused. If a women is raped but the courts don't have the evidence to prosecute the offender, should she just shut up and offer an olive branch to the rapist?

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:30 pm

Maybe of interest:

Kick It Out Comment On Treatment Of Brighton And Hove Albion's Gaeton Bong

Following reports that Brighton and Hove Albion’s Gaetan Bong was booed on Saturday (28 April) after his decision to report an alleged incident of racism earlier this season, Kick It Out has made a comment.

“Kick It Out is concerned at reports that Gaetan Bong was booed on Saturday for raising an alleged incident of racism with The Football Association.

“Kick It Out believes all allegations of discrimination must follow a fair and transparent process for all parties involved and the organisation accepts the ‘not proven’ ruling made by The FA, due to insufficient evidence.

“However, it is important to acknowledge that an allegation found ‘not proven’ does not mean that the complainant has lied or acted in bad faith.

“Kick It Out fully supports the decision by Gaetan Bong to report the alleged incident and encourages any player who believes they have been the target of discriminatory abuse to do the same.”

http://www.kickitout.org/news/kick-it-o ... uddfojwbIU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Perhaps the FA should have contacted the following:

The Lie Detector Test - UK's #1 Private and Confidential Provider

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ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:32 pm

Holy sh*t a BlueLabrador post that isn’t an Israeli conspiracy theory!

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Why do you think he went to the local press? Why can't you believe that they went to him and asked him questions? And why shouldn't he answer those questions if he wants to?

Because he's lying ..

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:I don't know what he's trying to achieve, I don't believe he should just be forced into silence if he feels he's been racially abused. If a women is raped but the courts don't have the evidence to prosecute the offender, should she just shut up and offer an olive branch to the rapist?

That being the case, why has he not taken out a civil prosecution against JR if he really believes he has evidence that he was racially abused --in this day and age he surely would be onto a winner and he has the backing of his local press and lots of Brighton fans who could all turn up at court to back him up. The FA was just an inquiry conducted within the jurisdiction of football's ruling authority, so why does he not take the next step if he is 100% sure that the FA finding was wrong.
As far as rape is concerned --that is another question and not what we are talking about, however, llike any pseudo-politician you introduce it to deflect attention from the matter in hand.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:45 pm

I'm slightly worried that we aren't going to be able to boo black players, but maybe players with other coloured skin might be OK. I'll ring the FA tomorrow to see what the "booing players by spectators" rules are

Jimmymaccer · Post by **Jimmymaccer** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:52 pm

watch out boys and girls.......I sense a 3 point deduction coming along to keep lil old Burnley beaten to the post by Everton!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:17 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:That being the case, why has he not taken out a civil prosecution against JR if he really believes he has evidence that he was racially abused --in this day and age he surely would be onto a winner and he has the backing of his local press and lots of Brighton fans who could all turn up at court to back him up. The FA was just an inquiry conducted within the jurisdiction of football's ruling authority, so why does he not take the next step if he is 100% sure that the FA finding was wrong.
As far as rape is concerned --that is another question and not what we are talking about, however, llike any pseudo-politician you introduce it to deflect attention from the matter in hand.

He quite obviously doesn't have any evidence, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. When somebody verbally abuses you with nobody else around, unless you have a voice recorder active you have zero evidence. It's pretty simple really, non of us know what was said yet you're acting like Bong lied and is wrong when that simply isn't the case or hasn't been proven to be the case.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:19 pm

Im presuming 99 refers to the year of this clowns birth. I really do fear for the future when we have specimens of this kind around.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:22 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:I'm slightly worried that we aren't going to be able to boo black players, but maybe players with other coloured skin might be OK. I'll ring the FA tomorrow to see what the "booing players by spectators" rules are

It has absolutely nothing to do with Bong being black, what don't you understand?
The issue is with the booing of a player who spoke out against discrimination in the game and filed a complaint. You can use the same thing with anything abusive. Pretend Bong was Chinese gay footballer and filed a complaint because he thought a fellow professional footballer was homophobic towards him, if he was then booed by fans when the case was unproven (he wasn't wrong, just lack of evidence) the LGTB (or whatever they call themselves) football community would speak out on the treatment of a player who spoke out on the issue in the game.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:29 pm

KRBFC wrote:He quite obviously doesn't have any evidence, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. When somebody verbally abuses you with nobody else around, unless you have a voice recorder active you have zero evidence. It's pretty simple really, non of us know what was said yet you're acting like Bong lied and is wrong when that simply isn't the case or hasn't been proven to be the case.

I cannot say whether Bong lied or not. Nor can I say that Jay Rodriguez didn’t say something racist towards Bong. What I can be certain of is that Bong changed his account several times in his evidence about what was said, whereas Jay did not and his account of things never changed - these facts are in the FA report. I am within my rights to conclude that Bong’s account is questionable whereas Jays account is not.

Can you explain why Bong changed his account of what was said, on several occasions? If you can’t explain that why do you continue to defend Bong when I can demonstrate, with actual evidence, that his account of the allegation is questionable.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:29 pm

Jimmymaccer wrote:watch out boys and girls.......I sense a 3 point deduction coming along to keep lil old Burnley beaten to the post by Everton!

I wouldn't be surprised at that.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:31 pm

Does anyone know what racism is anymore?

I was under the impression it was treating someone differently because of their race.

How is booing him doing that?

Absolutely criminal that these Brighton fans are completely making **** up about what we sang. I stand in the CFS right in front of the gimps who shout 'he's dead!' - and u heard nothing racist all game.

Town full of benders is childish and classless but is it inherently homophobic? Also came in retaliation of calling us all racists.

Boiling my blood is this!

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:32 pm

It,s LGBT, KBRFC.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:52 pm

Has somebody hacked KRBFC's account? I've never seen him talk so much sense before.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:56 pm

KRBFC wrote:...No-one should just accept being racially abused because there's no evidence.

But didn’t you once say...?

KRBFC wrote:Some people are racist, regardless of what you think you cannot change that. There will always be racist people somewhere, you just have to accept that and live your own life.

Yes, I think you did.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 9&start=86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(You were wrong then, and you’re right on this occasion, btw, but I found the lack of consistency noteworthy)

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:20 pm

bartons baggage wrote:It,s LGBT, KBRFC.

It's KRBFC, bartuns boggage

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:24 pm

Greenmile wrote:But didn’t you once say...?

Yes, I think you did.

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 9&start=86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(You were wrong then, and you’re right on this occasion, btw, but I found the lack of consistency noteworthy)

Different situations though, in everyday life you can avoid certain situations, I'm not sure why you even bothered to trawl through my posts to try and make me look a contradictory idiot but there's your agenda getting in the way of an actual debate. Keep nitpicking, it's quite amusing.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:29 pm

KRBFC wrote:Different situations though, in everyday life you can avoid certain situations, I'm not sure why you even bothered to trawl through my posts to try and make me look a contradictory idiot but there's your agenda getting in the way of an actual debate. Keep nitpicking, it's quite amusing.

How is it a different situation? Why can’t Bong just accept that there are racists out there and get on with his life?

Ps - it wasn’t me who made you look a contradictory idiot.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:34 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not disagreeing with any of you about the right to boo, its a daft statement by the FA.

But like the statement about Liverpool fans being just as bad, its not going to make a blind bit of difference.

We are currently a target because of what our fans did on Saturday, even though we all agree that the booing was because of who JR is, not because of who Bong is.

Its annoying, but everybody will be concentrating on the fact that a black player was booed after making a racism complaint. I can't believe that most of you can't see that, even though its clearly grossly unfair.

Totally agree - but as with all carefully constructed arguments this stands no chance of success on the internet where Black and White (pun intentional) are the only acceptable colours and gray does not exist. The booing was irritating and I thought embarassing - but obviously NOT racist since Izquierdo was not treated in the same way. It seems to me that the FA, Bong and our fans who booed him AND Chris Hughton are all doing their level best to keep a story alive that should have died months ago.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:35 pm

I’m not normally one to defend the more “gobby” style of fan, but in this case I will.

The bit that gets missed in this is that Burnley people have to look after each other, ‘cos nobody else ever does.

Jay is one of us, even though he has moved on and made millions, and I dispute this is behind him, it could sit on his Wiki page for a decade. So, while it may be nothing to do with BFC (as some posters have said), it IS to do with us (kick one, we all limp, and similar adages). I chose to rise above it and not boo, because I sensed it wouldn’t help the club, but I can fully understand why some did, and making them feel like pariahs is wrong.

Doesn’t matter if these are people we would get on with, or have things in common with. We stick together. One of the saddest things about the way society and community has gone in the last decade or two is that many people have forgotten that.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:45 pm

Some nerve of people to presume to fight for Rodriguez, who I imagine would like nothing more than for this whole sorry episode to quietly blow over. If you want to show support for Rodriguez you do it by supporting Rodriguez, not by attacking Bong.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:59 pm

Regardless of whether Rodriguez said anything untoward or not, or whether Bong's claim was genuine, mistaken or malicious, the point is that the authorities are taking steps to clean the game up and create an environment where wrongdoing (or perceived wrongdoing) can be openly reported and investigated without recourse to the complainant. I think everyone would agree that this is a good thing, and perception that we booed a player who apparently believed / still believes that he was racially abused for taking his case to the authorities is not remotely helpful to that end.

That is why the FA released a statement. They want to make clear that the door is still open to such complaints. Nowhere have they claimed any racist intent from Burnley supporters. I'm not sure the statement was necessary or consistent with other similar cases but let's not start deliberately misinterpreting it for the sake of a bit of faux outrage.

Nothing good is going to come from dragging this on. It's only going to encourage the more simple minded among our number to do something that really does drag our name through the mud.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:02 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I’m not normally one to defend the more “gobby” style of fan, but in this case I will.

The bit that gets missed in this is that Burnley people have to look after each other, ‘cos nobody else ever does.

Jay is one of us, even though he has moved on and made millions, and I dispute this is behind him, it could sit on his Wiki page for a decade. So, while it may be nothing to do with BFC (as some posters have said), it IS to do with us (kick one, we all limp, and similar adages). I chose to rise above it and not boo, because I sensed it wouldn’t help the club, but I can fully understand why some did, and making them feel like pariahs is wrong.

Doesn’t matter if these are people we would get on with, or have things in common with. We stick together. One of the saddest things about the way society and community has gone in the last decade or two is that many people have forgotten that.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:04 pm

Will the FA now explicitly own up properly for their years of unacceptable sexism and will the sexist unacceptable Scudamore clown resign?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:04 pm

Greenmile wrote:How is it a different situation? Why can’t Bong just accept that there are racists out there and get on with his life?

Ps - it wasn’t me who made you look a contradictory idiot.

Because it's two completely different scenarios, the comment last time was a summary of everyday life, avoidable situations. Why do you continue to nit pick? It's honestly beyond weird, you were that desperate you scrolled through my posts from months ago

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:05 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I’m not normally one to defend the more “gobby” style of fan, but in this case I will.

The bit that gets missed in this is that Burnley people have to look after each other, ‘cos nobody else ever does.

Jay is one of us, even though he has moved on and made millions, and I dispute this is behind him, it could sit on his Wiki page for a decade. So, while it may be nothing to do with BFC (as some posters have said), it IS to do with us (kick one, we all limp, and similar adages). I chose to rise above it and not boo, because I sensed it wouldn’t help the club, but I can fully understand why some did, and making them feel like pariahs is wrong.

Doesn’t matter if these are people we would get on with, or have things in common with. We stick together. One of the saddest things about the way society and community has gone in the last decade or two is that many people have forgotten that.

Utter drivel.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:I don't know what he's trying to achieve, I don't believe he should just be forced into silence if he feels he's been racially abused. If a women is raped but the courts don't have the evidence to prosecute the offender, should she just shut up and offer an olive branch to the rapist?

Yes to shutting up. Offering an olive branch is not necessary or relevant. But if, for example, John Smith has sexual intercourse with Jane Brown, and Jane goes to the police and says she was raped and John says it was consensual, and the court can find no evidence whatsoever (apart from Jane's word) to disprove John's story, then John will be found not guilty and he is therefore innocent in law. So if Jane takes to Twitter and says "John Smith raped me" she is committing libel and ought to shut up.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:It has absolutely nothing to do with Bong being black, what don't you understand?
The issue is with the booing of a player who spoke out against discrimination in the game and filed a complaint. You can use the same thing with anything abusive. Pretend Bong was Chinese gay footballer and filed a complaint because he thought a fellow professional footballer was homophobic towards him, if he was then booed by fans when the case was unproven (he wasn't wrong, just lack of evidence) the LGTB (or whatever they call themselves) football community would speak out on the treatment of a player who spoke out on the issue in the game.

So let's suppose it was Duffy who had raised a complaint against JR, let's say for the sake of it, an alleged homophobic comment. Then let's imagine that "monkey noises" were made every time Duffy touched the ball. How would that all pan out in your world ? False race card accusations make genuine ones harder to justify, maybe that's why Bong had a bit of criticism.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:19 pm

Telling fans who they can or cannot boo? I'll never take anything they say seriously again.

Yes, I understand all the complexities of the situation, but it's time to just shake your head at the whole thing and have a pint or something.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:22 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:So let's suppose it was Duffy who had raised a complaint against JR, let's say for the sake of it, an alleged homophobic comment. Then let's imagine that "monkey noises" were made every time Duffy touched the ball. How would that all pan out in your world ? False race card accusations make genuine ones harder to justify, maybe that's why Bong had a bit of criticism.

Monkey noises for being gay now?

Righto then.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:38 pm

Two questions:

Did Gray really post those tweets?

Why is this affair being investigated by the British Horseracing Authority anyway?

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:03 pm

dsr wrote:Yes to shutting up. Offering an olive branch is not necessary or relevant. But if, for example, John Smith has sexual intercourse with Jane Brown, and Jane goes to the police and says she was raped and John says it was consensual, and the court can find no evidence whatsoever (apart from Jane's word) to disprove John's story, then John will be found not guilty and he is therefore innocent in law. So if Jane takes to Twitter and says "John Smith raped me" she is committing libel and ought to shut up.

And if Jane Brown is booed is that unacceptable sexism?

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:10 pm

KRBFC wrote:He quite obviously doesn't have any evidence, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. When somebody verbally abuses you with nobody else around, unless you have a voice recorder active you have zero evidence. It's pretty simple really, non of us know what was said yet you're acting like Bong lied and is wrong when that simply isn't the case or hasn't been proven to be the case.

I have never said that Bong lied or that he was wrong to bring the case to the FA.
As you correctly state --nobody knows except the two protagonists.
The case was not proven, however, only one protagonist is willing to accpet the verdict whilst the other continues to pursue a racist agenda through the media.
I am not saying he is lying, however, as you state, he has no evidence to support what he is saying, therefore, he should let it rest or face the fact that it will get thrown back at him by whoever see fit.
I did not boo, I have been around too long to get agitated about anything that happens relating to football, however, I am willing to accept the findings of an inquiry which was set up at the request of Bong ---it is a pity that he is not willing to accept the findings although he has no evidence to support any claim which he makes.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:11 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:And if Jane Brown is booed is that unacceptable sexism?

If that was the situation i think booing would be the least of her concerns.

Nobody knows for sure whether Jay considered taking matters further over Bongs accusation after the inquiry but the statement from his solicitor suggested everyone should move on. Maybe a warning to Bong not to keep accusing via social media.

Vizeh · Post by **Vizeh** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:22 pm

In last day or so i've been the focus of most Brighton fans to attack on social media, and most of the morons that's calling us racist are all the same type of people, literally no point in arguing as they will defend their own player and we'll defend ours. No matter what you say.

As a Burnley born lad growing up I looked up to Jay Rod massively, so I boo'd Bong the first 2 times and left it to that, most of the boos stopped after the first 30 minutes. The entire situation is a joke, but the fact that Chris Hughton acted surprised was incredibly naive.