Project fear aka pure political fantasy..

[RingoMcCartney]

So come on Ringo, why is lack of intellect and bad attitude suitable qualifications to work at McDonalds. Why are you using working at McDonalds as a put down? Is the job beneath you? Are you happy to defend the fishermen but insult McDonalds staff? Seems like double standards to me.

Seems like trolling to me.

See post 289.

The clue was in "YOUR attitude and lack of intellect"....

Nice try....well, I say nice.......a try......

Yours is definately not a big Mac meal Marty. Yours is an inability to see the difference between a breach of parliamentary convention and political opportunism


Anyway research and evidence finding for you this weekend Marty. Enjoy . Toodle pip

[martin_p]

Seems like trolling to me.

See post 289.

The clue was in "YOUR attitude and lack of intellect"....

Nice try....well, I say nice.......a try......

Yours is definately not a big Mac meal Marty. Yours is an inability to see the difference between a breach of parliamentary convention and political opportunism


Anyway research and evidence finding for you this weekend Marty. Enjoy . Toodle pip

Yes, you've implied that someone with bad attitude and lack of intellect is fit to work at McDonalds.

If I said 'Bill' is a big racist and homophobe, he'd probably get on well with Ringo, I take it you wouldn't take offence.

[keith1879]

I've skimmed this thread and it is as interesting as the title suggested it would be.

[randomclaret2]

Up his Beehole would do well to find out what fishermen do and what a dangerous occupation it is . A bit more learning and listening and a lot less sneering are called for.

[aggi]

Blah, blah, blah

Then you, claiming that the Lib dems manifesto had been put into law and legislation.

Blah, blah,blah

In summary -

You said this- "You're saying Leave should bin the ideas of Remain as in the election the conservatives won and didn't bin the ideas of defeated parties. That's a hell of a leap of logic"

I'm not saying that. I'm saying if people want to oppose brexit by using general elections as a yard stick to justify continued opposition. They should be made aware that by all means use the general election. But think what happens the losing parties manifestos.

Then you, claiming that the Lib dems manifesto had been put into law and legislation. Could you point out where I said this, I think you'll struggle.

Your summary still contradicts your argument.

[aggi]

Back to the adult discussion.

UTB is correct in that fishing is a minor part of UK industry which seems to receive a disproportionate focus. All forms of fishing taken together are 0.07% of GDP (maybe double that to take into account support industries), a small fraction of one percent.

People still like to view Britain as a nation of big manufacturers and fishermen and use that to make their decisions.

In reality we're a nation of financial and legal services, high-skills manufacturing and technology and other services.

[Lancasterclaret]

Sorry to break up those of you who are not interested in what is actually going on with Brexit, but the Times are reporting that May has decided that the union is really more important than the unity of the Conservative party.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 5912497154" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We have been here before, but so soft and gentle brexit is here. Remember, its still a Brexit though.

[Imploding Turtle]

Sorry to break up those of you who are not interested in what is actually going on with Brexit, but the Times are reporting that May has decided that the union is really more important than the unity of the Conservative party.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/stat ... 5912497154" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We have been here before, but so soft and gentle brexit is here. Remember, its still a Brexit though.

Yep. They voted to leave. They didn't know what that would look like so those of them who will be upset by a soft Brexit can get ******. For nearly 2 years they've been saying "we're leaving, get over it", so, we're leaving, they're still not gonna be happy but as long as we're out they'll have no legs to stand on when it comes to complaining that the referendum result isn't being honoured. I can't wait.

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm glad the OP waited until Ringo was back to start this thread, makes it much more entertaining.

On the actual question, point 3 here in the Lib Dem manifesto http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39946809" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; End the 1% public sector pay cap seems to be what the Government announced here http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41241295" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh, it also appears that point 13 Levy up to 200% council tax on second homes is also something that the Government has announced https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consu ... pty-homes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What did you mean in this post aggi? It appears to me that your saying the LibDems manifesto had been put into law and legislation.

[aggi]

What did you mean in this post aggi? It appears to me that your saying the LibDems manifesto had been put into law and legislation.

I said parts of it had been. Which is very clearly the case because they were in the manifesto and are now law, regardless of who did it.

[RingoMcCartney]

When presented with examples of the lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law your response was that doesn't count. Even though it is an example of lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law which you explicitly stated didn't happen.
.

Correct me of I'm wrong. But you're actually saying. And I quote -

"When presented with examples of the lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law"

And

"Even though it is an example of lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law"

You are without a shadow of doubt claiming that LibDems manifesto pledges have been enacted into law.

Bang to rights aggi. Bang to rights.

[aggi]

Correct me of I'm wrong. But you're actually saying. And I quote -

"When presented with examples of the lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law"

And

"Even though it is an example of lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law"

You are without a shadow of doubt claiming that LibDems manifesto pledges have been enacted into law.

Bang to rights aggi. Bang to rights.

I am, they have, it's irrefutable. That's the point.

I'm not saying who did it and I'm not saying it was the whole manifesto as you implied above.

[RingoMcCartney]

I said parts of it had been. Which is very clearly the case because they were in the manifesto and are now law, regardless of who did it.

It's not working out well for you is It! You're desperately clinging onto the word "parts"! While clearly forgetting the fact that it wasn't the LibDems who were allowed to pit it through. That would be a breach of parliamentary convention.

It was the winning party who stole it and put it through. The losing party are the losing party therefore the losing side in the referendum should let the winning side enact the winning view.

You clearly neither listen not learn.

The point was. if Remoaners want to use the way a general election as yardstick to justify carrying on campaigning and stopping Brexit. Which they shouldn't. They should also accept that the losing side manifestos are binned and the winning side is the ONLY ONE that gets to proceed with legislation.

So you tried to contradict me by showing me examples what you clearly thought were losing manifestos being enacted. They weren't.

Then you return demanding I give you examples of you claimed losing manifestos being enacted. I did!!!! And now you're left clutching at straws saying you only meant to say "PARTS" !!!!

You're clearly missing the point that as the losing side the LibDems are not allowed to legislate their pledges. The losing side in the referendum should not be allowed to interfere. That's if you as a Remoaner want to use a general election as a yard stick and justification to carry on. You can't have it both ways.

[RingoMcCartney]

I am, they have, it's irrefutable. That's the point.

I'm not saying who did it and I'm not saying it was the whole manifesto as you implied above.

I'm so so glad you returned aggi!


1 The political party that wins then forms the government, and bases its legislative agenda on its election manifesto"

Do you understand that statement?

2 Political opportunism- Political opportunism refers to the attempt to maintain political support, or increase political influence, in a way which disregards relevant ethical or political principles. 

Do you understand the 2nd one.

Now over the weekend. Have a think about this.

The Labour manifesto which has now been binned. Pledged to scrap tuition fees. As they lost, Jeremy Corbyn will not be able to enact this pledge. This would breach parliamentary convention.

The Tories are currently thinking of doing it in order to attempt to maintain political support, or increase political influence, in a way which disregards relevant ethical or political principles. Particularly with younger voters.

Now take a step back and have a good look at the 2 statements and if the Tories do indeed scrap tuition fees, which one will it be.

You've all weekend to get the right answer or continue to look like the berk you have this evening!!

Good luck aggi.

[aggi]

It's not working out well for you is It! You're desperately clinging onto the word "parts"! While clearly forgetting the fact that it wasn't the LibDems who were allowed to pit it through. That would be a breach of parliamentary convention.

It was the winning party who stole it and put it through.

You clearly neither listen not learn.

You've quoted me saying Regardless of who did it and then suggested that I forgot the fact that it wasn't the lib dems who put it through. You're struggling to form a consistent argument between one line and the next.

I didn't mean to say parts, I did say parts. You're the one who didn't. You really need to work on your reading.

I've no idea why you're so hung up on who put the laws through, it's irrelevant.

[RingoMcCartney]

Then you, claiming that the Lib dems manifesto had been put into law and legislation. Could you point out where I said this, I think you'll struggle.
.

"Even though it is an example of lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law"


And the classic -

When presented with examples of the lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law"


"Could you point out"!!!!!!!

"I think you'll struggle!!!!!!!!!"

Made my day aggi you really have!!!!!

Comedy master class!!!!

Right the weekend starts here!

[aggi]

"Even though it is an example of lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law"


And the classic -

When presented with examples of the lib dems manifesto ... enacted into law"


"Could you point out"!!!!!!!

"I think you'll struggle!!!!!!!!!"

Made my day aggi you really have!!!!!

Comedy master class!!!!

Right the weekend starts here!

Sadly that was part of a larger quote (hence the ellipsis and italics) which was quoting your What part of Labour's manifesto, of the lib dems manifesto or the greens manifesto, has been, is or will be enacted into law?

Note the part

[RingoMcCartney]

You've quoted me saying Regardless of who did it and then suggested that I forgot the fact that it wasn't the lib dems who put it through. You're struggling to form a consistent argument between one line and the next.

I didn't mean to say parts, I did say parts. You're the one who didn't. You really need to work on your reading.

I've no idea why you're so hung up on who put the laws through, it's irrelevant.

"I didn't mean to say parts, I did say parts."

You're talking utter gibberish now!!!

You were making more sense when you were giving it the "blah blah blah!!"

As much as I don't want to. I've got to leave this aggi sponsored UTC message board laughathon



Don't forget the home work - the tories scrapping tuition fees, which was in the binned labour manifesto. Political opportunism or the potential breaching of parliamentary convention?

[aggi]

"I didn't mean to say parts, I did say parts."

You're talking utter gibberish now!!!

You were making more sense when you were giving it the "blah blah blah!!"

As much as I don't want to. I've got to leave this aggi sponsored UTC message board laughathon



Don't forget the home work - tuition fees.

That was in response to you struggling to read again And now you're left clutching at straws saying you only meant to say "PARTS" !!!! where I had explicitly said parts.

[Greenmile]

Question for Ringo. How do you deal with the cognitive dissonance brought about by being so sure you’re right, yet having everyone constantly tell you how wrong you are? Do you think you’re a misunderstood genius and all these idiots just can’t see how clearly right you are? Or do you still think we are all the same person?

Maybe I’m wrong and there’s loads of people who read these threads and thinks “nice one Ringo. You really made that guy look stupid with your brilliantly constructed arguments and well-judged emojis”, but choose not to get involved.

I’m sure there are people who agree with the points you’re trying to make, and others who admire your persistence or think you get picked on by all these horrible lefties, but is there anyone out there who admires Ringo’s debating skills?

[whooooshy]

Nope, he's a ******* idiot!

[aggi]

I'm pretty sure he's a Russian bot which is being fine tuned to kill the productivity of the UK workforce through pointless arguments.

[claretandy]

I'm pretty sure he's a Russian bot which is being fine tuned to kill the productivity of the UK workforce through pointless arguments.

I see this a lot on twitter from the left, "if you disagree with me you must be a Russian bot"

[Imploding Turtle]

I see this a lot on twitter from the left, "if you disagree with me you must be a Russian bot"

I see this a lot from the right, someone makes obvious joke and the humourless idiot takes it completely seriously.

[RingoMcCartney]

You've quoted me saying Regardless of who did it and then suggested that I forgot the fact that it wasn't the lib dems who put it through. You're struggling to form a consistent argument between one line and the next.

I didn't mean to say parts, I did say parts. You're the one who didn't. You really need to work on your reading.

I've no idea why you're so hung up on who put the laws through, it's irrelevant.

This is a classic example a somebody of some body meeting themselves coming back and tying themselves in knots at the same time!!!!

Apologies for having to remind you aggi old chap!

I say "apologise" you asked for it. By trying to say "I've no idea why you're so hung up on who put the laws through, its irrelvant" is brilliant.

Cos it's not irrelevant! It's the whole ********** point!!!

It's not the losing party. It's not Vince cable! It's simple political opportunism on the Tories part!

Jesus!

[UpTheBeehole]

Question for Ringo. How do you deal with the cognitive dissonance brought about by being so sure you’re right, yet having everyone constantly tell you how wrong you are? Do you think you’re a misunderstood genius and all these idiots just can’t see how clearly right you are? Or do you still think we are all the same person?

Maybe I’m wrong and there’s loads of people who read these threads and thinks “nice one Ringo. You really made that guy look stupid with your brilliantly constructed arguments and well-judged emojis”, but choose not to get involved.

I’m sure there are people who agree with the points you’re trying to make, and others who admire your persistence or think you get picked on by all these horrible lefties, but is there anyone out there who admires Ringo’s debating skills?

I notice Ringo is yet to respond to this.

[RingoMcCartney]

I notice Ringo is yet to respond to this.

Simple answer is, on this, it's not that I'm so so right.

Aggi is so blindingly wrong!

[aggi]

This is a classic example a somebody of some body meeting themselves coming back and tying themselves in knots at the same time!!!!

Apologies for having to remind you aggi old chap!

I say "apologise" you asked for it. By trying to say "I've no idea why you're so hung up on who put the laws through, its irrelvant" is brilliant.

Cos it's not irrelevant! It's the whole ********** point!!!

It's not the losing party. It's not Vince cable! It's simple political opportunism on the Tories part!

Jesus!

There isn't really a simpler way I can put this.

I quoted you.

You quoted me quoting you and attributed your quote to me.

You are wrong.

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm glad the OP waited until Ringo was back to start this thread, makes it much more entertaining.

On the actual question, point 3 here in the Lib Dem manifesto http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39946809" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; End the 1% public sector pay cap seems to be what the Government announced here http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41241295" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh, it also appears that point 13 Levy up to 200% council tax on second homes is also something that the Government has announced https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consu ... pty-homes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It appears your whole argument was based on a complete lack of research and making stuff up.

I've unearthed the smoking gun aggi. And for you it's not good news.

"On the actual question, point 3 here in the Lib Dem manifesto http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39946809" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; End the 1% public sector pay cap seems to be what the Government announced here http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41241295" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is you. These are your words. Not mine. YOURS

This is you claiming the LibDems manifesto is enacted in to law.

IT'S NOT YOU MORON.

It's political opportunism by the Tories!!!!

[RingoMcCartney]

But there were definitely examples of parts of the lib dems manifesto being put into law. I linked to them, it was pretty clear.

The lib dems didn't put them into law but that was nothing to do with your statement.

Aggi aggi aggi.

This is you saying in black, and in white.

"But there were definitely examples of parts of the lib dems manifesto being put into law. I linked to them, it was pretty clear. "

The more I look back the more you tied yourself on knots!!!

Remember I said the losing parties manifestos are binned. Only the winning parties manifesto is enact their manifestos.

If during the course of a parlimant the government steals ideas. That is NOT NOT NOT the losing party going against centuries of parlimenray procedure and allowing a losing manifesto to become law.

IT'S POLITICAL OPPORTUNISM

If you want to ignore the whole thrust of what I was saying. Which was that the losing side doesn't get to enact it's manifesto, by saying it's "irrelevant". That's entirely your prerogative.

But , none the less, it doesn't stop you being any more wrong. And looking any less ridiculous.

[aggi]

I can't believe you still don't understand this. Hey ho

[RingoMcCartney]

I can't believe you still don't understand this. Hey ho

I CAN believe you still don't understand this. You simply aren't as bright as you like to portray your self!

I said that the losing parties manifestos are binned and only the winning parties manifesto is enacted in to law and legislation.

You disagreed. You even went as far as posting extracts from the LibDems manifesto to demonstrate they had been.

Question- if you WEREN'T saying they had been enacted into law and legislation by the losing party. Then why the hell on God's name did you go out of your way to upload and itemize the parts of the LibDems manifesto to highlight what you claim had????

It's like some body going out on a sunny day with a brolly, who's asked "why the brolly? It's glorious today!"

And they reply, "It's going to rain".

The reply is overheard and someone is took a back. And they also ask "do you really think it's going to rain?

And they then reply ,"No, I never said it was!"

That's how idiotic your desperate desperate attempt of wriggling off that hook, you've managed to get your self onto, is!!!!!

I'll give you a bit of advice. There's a whole gaggle of Remoaners who love nowt better than to get one over on me. Don't think for one moment they havent read what you've posted.

You're ploughing a very lonely, and embarrassing, furrow at the moment aggi. Have a little think about that, as you finally put that spade down.

[evensteadiereddie]

Ringo, don't flatter yourself, you sanctimonious little prick.

You're this board's terrified Little Englander - the Mr. Angry of Burnley - who spends most of his time repeating the same old mantra on this board or contributing to radio phone - ins for Christ's sake.

And, yes, I'm quite happy to say that to your face, just don't expect me, please, to have any interest in what you have to argue about Brexit.

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo, don't flatter yourself, you sanctimonious little prick.

You're this board's terrified Little Englander - the Mr. Angry of Burnley - who spends most of his time repeating the same old mantra on this board or contributing to radio phone - ins for Christ's sake.

And, yes, I'm quite happy to say that to your face, just don't expect me, please, to have any interest in what you have to argue about Brexit.

You'll get the opportunity to say it to my face Eddie I guarantee that.

[Tall Paul]

There's only one person looking ridiculous, wrong, moronic and embarrassing on this thread and it isn't aggi.

It's nothing new or surprising though.

[RingoMcCartney]

Out they come! The gaggle are here!

[SalouClaret]

You'll get the opportunity to say it to my face Eddie I guarantee that.

I voted leave and still think you're a prick.

[Burnley Ace]

The party with the most seats gets the opportunity to form the Government and in the UK, with its FPTP system, the party with the most seats tends to have a majority and can therefore implement the legislation set out in the manifesto pretty much unfettered by the views of the other parties.

However we are now in a position that the party with the most seats didn't "win" a majority is the seats and cannot therefore implement it's legislation unfettered and can only do so with the agreement of other parties which means that they may have to implement other parties manifesto promises.

[evensteadiereddie]

Boom !

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

I voted leave and still think you're a prick.

HAHAHAHA

[ClaretAndJew]

I want to give you all a big cuddle.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Question for Ringo. How do you deal with the cognitive dissonance brought about by being so sure you’re right, yet having everyone constantly tell you how wrong you are? Do you think you’re a misunderstood genius and all these idiots just can’t see how clearly right you are? Or do you still think we are all the same person?

Maybe I’m wrong and there’s loads of people who read these threads and thinks “nice one Ringo. You really made that guy look stupid with your brilliantly constructed arguments and well-judged emojis”, but choose not to get involved.

I’m sure there are people who agree with the points you’re trying to make, and others who admire your persistence or think you get picked on by all these horrible lefties, but is there anyone out there who admires Ringo’s debating skills?

Still no answer.

[Greenmile]

Simple answer is, on this, it's not that I'm so so right.

Aggi is so blindingly wrong!

So how do you explain (to yourself) all these other people who say you’re wrong and Aggi’s right?

[Imploding Turtle]

Still no answer.

He won't answer my simple question on another thread either.

We should start a thread just devoted to questions Ringo refuses to answer. A 5 pager for sure.

[evensteadiereddie]

Or, alternatively, regard him as the self-indulgent cock that he is. Thank God he tends to only infest/ruin the Brexit Yawnfest threads.

His occasional football-related stuff, oddly enough, seems reasonably motivated.

[Lancasterclaret]

And to be fair, when he can be bothered he can be quite good on the Brexit threads

[RingoMcCartney]

And there was me thinking I was everybodys Xmas card list.

All this grief has made me think long and hard about bothering to post ever again.!

I'm so hurt and upset.

No I'm not ! I never said "all this grief has made me think long and hard about bothering to post ever again.! And definately did not say I'm so hurt and upset at all.

(The aggi technique to posting)

Good evening Ringophiles.

[evensteadiereddie]

Nice one, Lancaster. Thought you were being serious for a second there.

So did he........

[Lancasterclaret]

No, I am being serious, but its just that there is so much guff that it gets lost in all the stuff that makes no sense.

I fully understand a lot more about why people like him voted Leave thanks to him for starters.

[martin_p]

I fully understand a lot more about why people like him voted Leave thanks to him for starters.

Terminal stupidity?