Karius' concussion

[RocketLawnChair]

No one saw the incident with Ramos that probably caused it. When do you think they'd have had time to examine him if play wasn't stopped?

What makes you think I am actually arsed? see ya.

[UpTheBeehole]

Surely if Karius would concussed, he'd go down and the physio would come on.

That's how it works.

[South West Claret.]

Surely if Karius would concussed, he'd go down and the physio would come on.

That's how it works.

No not the case as it can be delayed.

[UpTheBeehole]

So if it's delayed then it doesn't affect his ability to throw a ball or catch a 40 yard shot straight at him?

Basically as soon as he starts feeling the effects of the concussion, then he goes down and the physio is called. Really easy to do.

[South West Claret.]

No because as I say there can be a delay in reaction.

[UpTheBeehole]

So he wouldn't know he was affected by it, but he'd be affected by it.

Why wouldn't he know he was concussed exactly?

[UpTheBeehole]

Or if he suffered concussion and it was delayed, then the effects of the concussion wouldn;t be until well after the match, and his mistakes were results of his own f*ck ups.

[Wokingclaret]

Whatever, he won't be the top dog keeper at Liverpool next season.

[South West Claret.]

No you f*ck things up (as you put it) if your concussed and not because of a f*ck up...now think about it.

[South West Claret.]

There you go UTB have a read of that, explains it better then me.

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[Wokingclaret]

I repeat, Whatever, he won't be the top dog keeper at Liverpool next season.

[South West Claret.]

Thats as maybe WC but I'm just trying to say to UTB that concussion is not as straight forward as some of us think.

[MrClaretandBlue]

*Breaking News*

It has been discovered that Brian Jensen suffered from concussion throughout his entire ten year spell at Burnley.

[Caballo]

How have they diagnosed him without a baseline?

[bfcmik]

Of all the hospitals he could have gone to for assessment in this country or his home country he manages to last out 5 days and to travel to Boston USA before deciding things were bad enough to need examination. The fact that the club owner is a large benefactor and former board member will have no no bearing on his choice of hospital, honest.

Doctors involved in research, especially in the States, are very likely to slant their report in such a way as to provide support for the cause/body that pays them. Especially when they dealing with unprovables such as after-the-fact behavioural analysis and description of symptoms.

[Imploding Turtle]

Of all the hospitals he could have gone to for assessment in this country or his home country he manages to last out 5 days and to travel to Boston USA before deciding things were bad enough to need examination. The fact that the club owner is a large benefactor and former board member will have no no bearing on his choice of hospital, honest.

Doctors involved in research, especially in the States, are very likely to slant their report in such a way as to provide support for the cause/body that pays them. Especially when they dealing with unprovables such as after-the-fact behavioural analysis and description of symptoms.

Have you got any evidence whatsoever that doctors in the US routinely slant their diagnoses in such an obviously corrupt way? Or are you just pulling **** out of your arse and claiming it's fact?

[Imploding Turtle]

How have they diagnosed him without a baseline?

How do you know there isn't a baseline?

[aggi]

The comments from the hospital were heavily caveated. It's possible he was concussed and it was detrimental to his performance, possible he wasn't.

In terms of US healthcare, there's a fair bit out there in terms of more profitable options being taken where it may not be the best option. Look at dialysis for instance.

[Caballo]

How do you know there isn't a baseline?

Why would he need to travel to the states for diagnosis if they already had a baseline? They just repeat the tests at Liverpool and that would tell them exactly what they needed to know.

[Imploding Turtle]

Why would he need to travel to the states for diagnosis if they already had a baseline? They just repeat the tests at Liverpool and that would tell them exactly what they needed to know.

He was on holiday.
How do you know he wasn't referred by LFC? Do you think his very first call was to MassGeneral?
Do you think LFC's doctors are as expert in concussion injuries as the doctors at a dedicated sports concussion clinic in the US that deals with NFL concussion injuries, and whose doctors are published in peer-reviewed journals such as British Journal of Sports Medicine and the Journal of Neurotrauma?

Here are the facts. Karius got hit on the head pretty hard. 2 minutes later he commits a mistake. A little later he commits another mistake. 5 days later he is checked out by experts who know what they're talking about and they say that he suffered a concussion.

Maybe it's just a coincidence that he got hit on the head and two minutes later he made a mistake that could be explained by the concussion that tests show he had. But it's a pretty big coincidence.

And as for this nonsence about protecting his value. How much value do you lot think can be protected by admitting that your player suffered from a traumatic brain injury?

[bfcmik]

Have you got any evidence whatsoever that doctors in the US routinely slant their diagnoses in such an obviously corrupt way? Or are you just pulling **** out of your arse and claiming it's fact?

It is a widely asserted belief that conclusions are maximised or minimised to either enhance, or limit the damage to, the stated objective of paid for research. I do not assert that obvious facts are falsified nor that facts are created or ignored. Merely that the evidence can often be 'guided' according to the beliefs of the researcher which may be 'guided' by the source of funding and/or potential future funding. Happens in all walks of life.

[bfcmik]

And as for this nonsence about protecting his value. How much value do you lot think can be protected by admitting that your player suffered from a traumatic brain injury?

A lot more than leaving it out there that he is prone to serious occasional lapses of judgement and ability!