ARTICLE: Burnley to raid the Baggies?

[dsr]

So do you think a striker with a premier league goalscoring record of 5 a season is worth 20m?

What he's done in the past is barely relevant. He's being bought (or not) for what he might do in the future. If the manager feels that he will do better than 5 goals a season for the next few years, that's the reason we would buy him.

[boatshed bill]

So do you think a striker with a premier league goalscoring record of 5 a season is worth 20m?

If it is value for goals we are sitting on a gold-mine with Barnes and Wood, Sam is a prize asset too

[cricketfieldclarets]

What he's done in the past is barely relevant. He's being bought (or not) for what he might do in the future. If the manager feels that he will do better than 5 goals a season for the next few years, that's the reason we would buy him.

What hes done in the past is irrelevant?

[Bin Ont Turf]

I will bet you any amount of money that he wont score 10 premier league goals next season regardless of who he plays for

You said he won't improve us.

If we sign him and play Wood up top in a 4-4-1-1 (like we did at times last season) with Rodders behind him, he's already improved us.

[cricketfieldclarets]

If it is value for goals we are sitting on a gold-mine with Barnes and Wood, Sam is a prize asset too

120m worth there. Actually forgetting what theyve done. Lets base it on what they MIGHT do. 484m

[cricketfieldclarets]

You said he won't improve us.

If we sign him and play Wood up top in a 4-4-1-1 (like we did at times last season) with Rodders behind him, he's already improved us.

so take out our ten goal, most effective link up man and all time premier league goalscorer and replace him with Jay and we are improved

[KRBFC]

I think Rodriguez would improve us, £40M for the 3 of them just doesn't sound like great business. I hope Dyche isn't going to turn all Tony Pulis and start playing central defenders at fullback.

[Bin Ont Turf]

so take out our ten goal, most effective link up man and all time premier league goalscorer and replace him with Jay and we are improved

Funny description of Hendrick, but as you were.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Funny description of Hendrick, but as you were.

Youve obviously been drinking the hendricks.

[boatshed bill]

so take out our ten goal, most effective link up man and all time premier league goalscorer and replace him with Jay and we are improved

I'm not sure that Jay Rodriguez would out perform Ashley Barnes over a season, and there is no statistical evidence to prove that he would.

[cricketfieldclarets]

I'm not sure that Jay Rodriguez would out perform Ashley Barnes over a season, and there is no statistical evidence to prove that he would.

Absokutely agree. And as divisive as Barnes can be there is no doubting his application, his effort, his impact and even when he focuses on his game his natural ability.

He has also improved massively every single season.

[bobinho]

As long as we don't take the worst West Brom signing - Alan Pardew

Why would we take him? He's a manager, and we already have one of those...

RIGHT! Come on...whaddaya know???

[Bin Ont Turf]

Youve obviously been drinking the hendricks.

So I imagined you whining at Hendrick playing there then?

[cricketfieldclarets]

So I imagined you whining at Hendrick playing there then?

No.

[ClaretShaun]

Some embarrassing comments on here. Get well soon.

Thank God Sean knows how to spend money.

[Bin Ont Turf]

No.

Have you got the stat for how many times Hendrick played in a 4-4-1-1 compared with Barnes then?

[bobinho]

so take out our ten goal, most effective link up man and all time premier league goalscorer and replace him with Jay and we are improved

Who says we wouldn't be? Jay might well be that no10 that some would have you believe we don't play with.

Don't get me wrong, i'm a MASSIVE Barnes fan, but if we continue to improve our playing staff little by little, as we have done over the last few years, we will change the way we play the game, and that may mean that the players with the strengths that we value right now, will soon become null and void. And all the evidence you need to back that statement up is, who has come in for Barnes to improve their side in a footballing sense?

I would argue that JR is a better footballer than AB. I would also argue that JR is/would be a better No10 than JH - and I think we will see the end of that particular `experiment`. JR improves both our squad AND our options. We could even go from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 without making a sub.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Who says we wouldn't be? Jay might well be that no10 that some would have you believe we don't play with.

Don't get me wrong, i'm a MASSIVE Barnes fan, but if we continue to improve our playing staff little by little, as we have done over the last few years, we will change the way we play the game, and that may mean that the players with the strengths that we value right now, will soon become null and void. And all the evidence you need to back that statement up is, who has come in for Barnes to improve their side in a footballing sense?

I would argue that JR is a better footballer than AB. I would also argue that JR is/would be a better No10 than JH - and I think we will see the end of that particular `experiment`. JR improves both our squad AND our options. We could even go from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 without making a sub.

It shouldn't have needed explaining in depth, but well done for taking the time.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Have you got the stat for how many times Hendrick played in a 4-4-1-1 compared with Barnes then?

No.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Who says we wouldn't be? Jay might well be that no10 that some would have you believe we don't play with.

Don't get me wrong, i'm a MASSIVE Barnes fan, but if we continue to improve our playing staff little by little, as we have done over the last few years, we will change the way we play the game, and that may mean that the players with the strengths that we value right now, will soon become null and void. And all the evidence you need to back that statement up is, who has come in for Barnes to improve their side in a footballing sense?

I would argue that JR is a better footballer than AB. I would also argue that JR is/would be a better No10 than JH - and I think we will see the end of that particular `experiment`. JR improves both our squad AND our options. We could even go from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 without making a sub.

So. We are a team who dont score enough. So to improve that we drop one of our main goal threats for someone who scores less?

And to say he creates is also a myth.

11 assists in 6 seasons. Less than 2 a season to add to his 5 goals a season.

He set up less than Hendrick and Scored less than Barnes. He simply doesnt improve our first eleven.

[dsr]

What hes done in the past is irrelevant?

Yes, of course. Who would we be willing to pay more for in the transfer market, Jay Rodriguez or Jermain Defoe? Rodriguez. Yes, I know Defoe has scored more goals than Rodriguez in the past 6 years, but we're not going to pay extra for those goals - they're irrelevant. What Burnley are willing to pay for is the goals we hope he will score in future, not the goals he has scored in the past.

You can of course use his past goalscoring record as a guide to what you think he might do in future and therefore how much he might be worth; but you aren't paying for his past record.

[KRBFC]

but you aren't paying for his past record.

You kind of are though, how else would you come up with a realistic valuation?

[Walt]

I'm indifferent to signing Rodriguez, good addition for the right price but not bothered if it doesn't happen.

Regarding his goalscoring record in fairness to him, hasn't he played quite a few games wide left?

If he was a frequent up top player I'd suggest he'd double his tally.

[ablueclaret]

Stoke last year Baggies this.
If this is the height of our transfer ambition we are not going to improve.
Another failure to bring in hungry young ambitious players would be criminal.

[ClaretAndJew]

So all these inflated transfer fees of players who have smashed 30 odd goals a season etc are irrelevant because we don't look at their past?

[Dy1geo]

Dawson is not a bad shout he tends to chip in with a few goals each season from set pieces and can play fullback or centre back and we would have the cover if Liverpool paid the rumoured release price for Tarks

[boatshed bill]

How about 3 from Stoke, 3 from WBA and 3 from Swansea...

that should get us relegated, or skint, or both

[TVC15]

Stoke last year Baggies this.
If this is the height of our transfer ambition we are not going to improve.
Another failure to bring in hungry young ambitious players would be criminal.

Give it w f’in rest
Cos last years strategy was such a disaster eh

Why don’t you name this hungry young ambitious striker who would be less than £20m.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Give it w f’in rest
Cos last years strategy was such a disaster eh

Why don’t you name this hungry young ambitious striker who would be less than £20m.

Chris Wood

[TVC15]

Chris Wood

Sorry to **** on your chips but he already plays for us....and he had already played in the Premier League and an established international.

[Lancasterclaret]

Dawson and Jay I'd be more than ok with

Philips though? Not too sure about him to be honest, always struck me as a bit too much of a luxury player

[BleedingClaret]

The wage deals need to be heavily performance related, with the emphasise on the squad achievement rather than the individual,with the major incentive offered for staying up.
With proper relegation clauses too.
Imo if you offered a player 50k a week assured potentially rising to 60k with personal achievement or offered 40k potentially rising to 70k based on the teams axhievement, a certain type of player would take 1 & a certain type another.

[HiroshimaClaret]

I'd have thought something more like, depends on addons.

Jay Rod: 18mil
Phillips: 10mil
Dawson: 8mil

Regarding Phillips only having a few good games a season, I have absolute faith that Dyche can get more out of anyone.

Thought his name was Rondon, not Addons.

Sorry, I`ll get my coat

[gtclaret]

So the only realistic target is Matt Phillips, hardly a raid is it

[ElectroClaret]

Why is Phillips the only realistic target?

[TVC15]

Think all 3 are decent but personally I would not want to buy all 3. Be happy with Dawson and either one of the other 2.

[boyyanno]

Phillips is the one I don't really want. I'd take Antonio on a free over him any day. In terms of value for the other two, Dawson up to 12 seems fair and Jay 15.

The big concern for me is who drops out if we do re-sign Rodriguez. If he's playing behind a striker then it's Barnes or Wood and I wouldn't want to drop either for him. I sort of want us to sign a specialist attacking midfielder anyway to replace Hendrick, (allowing Hendrick to bolster the flat centre mid spots), so I wouldn't see his future in that position. I do think he would bolster the team and be a good addition, but only for the right price.

Dyche said quality over quantity and I'm not sure any of these, for the reported prices, are offering that.

[ClaretShaun]

You don’t think Dawson or Rodriguez are quality?

I think you’ll be disappointed then. They are top quality and we should go all out to get them.

I think we will sign 3 players this summer, going off what the Chairman said and looking at the squad. If Dawson and Rodriguez can be 2 of those for approx £30m then we are well on our way to improving again

[dsr]

You kind of are though, how else would you come up with a realistic valuation?

You use his past record to assess how good you think he will be in the future.

Where I'm disagreeing with Cricketfield is that he reckons Rodriguez' average goals per season is only 5 or so, which isn't good enough full stop; what I'm saying is that if he has been fully fit for two seasons, and passes his medical, the fact that he barely scored for two seasons when he was injured some time ago does not affect his future value to BFC.

[KRBFC]

You use his past record to assess how good you think he will be in the future.

Where I'm disagreeing with Cricketfield is that he reckons Rodriguez' average goals per season is only 5 or so, which isn't good enough full stop; what I'm saying is that if he has been fully fit for two seasons, and passes his medical, the fact that he barely scored for two seasons when he was injured some time ago does not affect his future value to BFC.

Fair point

[SGr]

Phillips might be “realistic” but he would be a very underwhelming signing, who would command probably our highest wage bracket.

[Spijed]

Phillips might be “realistic” but he would be a very underwhelming signing, who would command probably our highest wage bracket.

But then again JBG was probably considered the same when he joined.

[SGr]

But then again JBG was probably considered the same when he joined.

Most assists in the Championship that season, and our wingers at the time were Boyd and Arfield. He was a pure upgrade on what we had - whether or not he was what people truly wanted. Phillips I just feel would be a bit pointless.

[boatshed bill]

But then again JBG was probably considered the same when he joined.

Was it £1m, and a relatively low wage?
We need to bear in mind that these long-term prem players expect very high wages,

[jurek]

The question is:

Will West Brom wish to sell all 3?

Well, they're probably resigned to losing two or three at least
anyway so why not three in one foul swoop, so to speak.
And 40m, if that be true, is not a bad price.

We have to assume that if we do bid for all three then we want all three.
And that Dyche believes all three will improve the team/squad.
They've all got reasonable premiership experience and although not spring chickens
they should be 'up and running' relatively quickly.

Personally would love for us to unearth some young and exciting talent
be it homegrown or from afar but that doesn't look like happening.
Certainly not this coming season.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Sorry to **** on your chips but he already plays for us....and he had already played in the Premier League and an established international.

Youve missed my point.

[TVC15]

No - I got it. There’s players out there in the divisions below etc

Just think it’s very easy to dismiss the likes of Jay but not hearing many other suggestions....and we get this let’s sign a great up and coming lad from the lower leagues every single transfer window but very few posters actually name anyone

[gtclaret]

Why is Phillips the only realistic target?

Because the article says that J Rod's wages is out of our budget, and they won't sell Dawson, leaving Phillips as the only option

[Burnleyareback2]

Crack on Sean, 3 great prospects

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

This website lists our players wages -

http://www.spotrac.com/epl/burnley-f.c/payroll/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Our cap is going to have to increase at some point if we're going to progress.