Terrorist pleads guilty over MP machete murder plot

[UpTheBeehole]

A member of far right group National Action has admitted to preparing acts of terrorism by plotting to murder MP Rosie Cooper using a Gladius knife. Jack Renshaw, 23, of Skelmersdale, Lancashire, bought a Gladius Machete to kill Ms Cooper between June 5 and July 3 last year, the Old Bailey heard.

Judge Mr Justice Jay directed the jury to deliver a formal guilty verdict on the first two charges Renshaw faces. He is on trial alongside Christopher Lythgoe, 32, from Warrington, who denies giving Renshaw permission to murder the West Lancashire MP on behalf of National Action on July 1 last year.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/12/national ... e-7624785/

[Lauren12]

'Mogadishu truck bomb: 500 casualties in Somalia’s worst terrorist attack
At least 300 people killed and hundreds seriously injured in attack blamed on militant group al-Shabaab'

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Thanks UTB for pointing out that extremists (whatever stupid thing they happen to believe in) do evil things, I'd never have realised that had you not kept endlessly highlighting it.

[UpTheBeehole]

We discussed that in October 2017, when it happened.

Another post from another sleeper account by the way. Set up in 2016 to add authenticity, but never used until recently.

It's a shame some people have to play silly buggers.

[nil_desperandum]

Unfortunately our overstretched police and anti-terrorist forces are having to spend an increasing amount of their time and resources countering extreme right wing terrorism, when their focus should be elsewhere.

[Lauren12]

What are you on about - you're obsessed with this 'sleeper account' you keep banging on about. It's a football message board, not some secret state. I simply haven't posted for a while - WTF has that got to do with you? As I told you last time you mentioned this, I've nothing to hide/ have no allegiance to anything in particular (apart from the Clarets funnily enough, this being a Burnley message board) and certainly do not post anything that could be offensive.

And if you 'discussed' this atrocity last October, good for you, I'm sure you've somehow contributed to finding lasting World peace from your bedroom.

[Herts Clarets]

Unfortunately our overstretched police and anti-terrorist forces are having to spend an increasing amount of their time and resources countering extreme right wing terrorism, when their focus should be elsewhere.

Like the right wing terror attack at Manchester Arena?
Or the right wing Westminster atrocity?
Or the London Bridge/Borough Market slaughter?
Or the foiled plot with the mother and 2 daughters who planned a gun and grenade attack at the British Museum?
Or the right wing bloke from Nelson plotting and encouraging attacks on members of the royal family and football stadia?

Naughty lot these right wing terrorists.....

[nil_desperandum]

Like the right wing terror attack at Manchester Arena?
Or the right wing Westminster atrocity?
Or the London Bridge/Borough Market slaughter?
Or the foiled plot with the mother and 2 daughters who planned a gun and grenade attack at the British Museum?
Or the right wing bloke from Nelson plotting and encouraging attacks on members of the royal family and football stadia?

Naughty lot these right wing terrorists.....

Not sure whether you are making a logical case there.
If the police weren't spending so much of their time and resources trying to prevent right-wing terrorist atrocities then they would obviously have more time to try prevent the appalling atrocities that you describe above.
Are you trying to downplay the extent of ultra right-wing illegal activities in the UK?

[UpTheBeehole]

Like the right wing terror attack at Manchester Arena?
Or the right wing Westminster atrocity?
Or the London Bridge/Borough Market slaughter?
Or the foiled plot with the mother and 2 daughters who planned a gun and grenade attack at the British Museum?
Or the right wing bloke from Nelson plotting and encouraging attacks on members of the royal family and football stadia?

Naughty lot these right wing terrorists.....

Far-right terrorists pose an “organised and significant” threat to the UK, the county’s most senior terror officer has warned while revealing that four plots have been foiled in the past year.

Mark Rowley, assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, made the figure public for the first time to “illustrate the growth of right-wing terrorism”.

“The right-wing terrorist threat is more significant and more challenging than perhaps the public debate gives it credit for,” he said.

“Right-wing terrorism wasn’t previously organised here.”

But security services have been warning of a shift since the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox in 2016, with the past year seeing five mainly Isis-inspired terror attacks leave 36 victims dead in London and Manchester.

Giving a lecture at an event held by the Policy Exchange think tank, Mr Rowley said: ”A deeply concerning characteristic is how both far-right and also Islamist terrorism are growing, allowing each side to reaffirm their grievances and justify their actions.“

He said police and MI5 have disrupted 10 Islamist plots and four far-right plots since the Westminster attack in March last year.

Mr Rowley, who is to retire next month, declined to give details of the four cases for legal reasons, but said they represent a combination of “organised and individual” action.

He was speaking after a neo-Nazi was convicted of planning a terror attack at a gay pride event in Cumbria.

Ethan Stables, 20, wrote online that he was “going to war” after arming himself with weapons including a machete and axe and was arrested while walking to his target.

Another suspected far-right extremist is awaiting trial for allegedly planning to murder the Labour MP Rosie Cooper.

He and five other men arrested in connection with the plot are accused of being members of the neo-Nazi terrorist group National Action.

Several alleged members have been charged with terror offences, including serving British soldiers, following a wave of police operations.

It became the first far-right organisation to be banned by the Government in December 2016, sparking efforts by members to evade arrest by splitting into renamed regional factions including Scottish Dawn and NS131.

National Action gained notoriety for celebrating Thomas Mair, the far-right extremist who murdered Ms Cox during the EU referendum campaign.

Another fanatic, Darren Osborne, killed a grandfather when he rammed a hired van into Muslim worshippers leaving mosques in Finsbury Park in June.

The father-of-four, who was radicalised within weeks as he read far-right material by the former EDL leader Tommy Robinson, Britain First and others, was jailed for life last month.

Weyman Bennett, the joint secretary of United Against Fascism (UAF), said the group presented a “hidden danger”.

“Far-right terrorism is underestimated and is a threat to our democracy,” he told The Independent.

“There must be a renewed commitment to stopping the scapegoating of minorities that encourages it.”

Research and campaign group Hope Not Hate said that according to its count, 27 people were arrested or convicted of far-right inspired offences during 2017.

“Far-right terrorism and violent extremism is on the rise, something that concerns us greatly and which we have long warned the authorities to take note of,” said chief executive Nick Lowles.

“More worryingly, it is a trend which we fear is going to continue.

“The threat from the British far right is growing and evolving. Many see themselves in a war with Islam and as a result we must be prepared for more terrorist plots and use of extreme violence from the far right for the foreseeable future.”

A record number of people are being arrested on suspicion of terror offences in the UK, with the majority suspected of Islamist extremists but a growing proportion on the far right.

The trend was echoed in the first-ever figures provided by the Government’s controversial Prevent counter-terror initiative.

It shows that, of the total 7,631 people referred to Prevent in 2015-16, 65 per cent (4,997) were suspected of Islamist extremism and 10 per cent (759) of right-wing extremism.

Officials said Sikh and Northern Ireland-related radicalism was also seen, while a significant proportion could not be put into one category because of a more general “propensity towards mass murder and violence” that covers several groups.

Around a third of all those flagged were deemed to need no further action, half were passed on to alternative services and 14 per cent were considered by the counter-radicalisation Channel programme – where right-wing extremists make up more than a quarter of referees.

The Government’s revamped counter-terror strategy, which will be announced later this year, is expected to take a closer look at the far-right and ways to combat online messaging.

While global efforts to remove terrorist propaganda has been largely focused on Isis, material like that consumed by Osborne as he prepared for the Finsbury Park terror attack is not illegal and remains online.

“You can’t police the internet,” a Channel intervention provider previously told The Independent. “As a society we need to understand where the risks are and investigate those who are vulnerable so they can be resilient.”

Security services have warned of the growing risk of “remote radicalisation” online, which has driven the mounting terror threat and become a hallmark of Isis’s bloody strategy to incite attacks worldwide.

Mr Rowley, who entered policing during the IRA attacks of the 1980s, took on his role as the national lead for UK counter-terrorism policing the day before Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi declared the so-called Islamic State.

He said Isis and other groups had become “more of a cult than an organisation”, shifting from regionally defined organisations to global movements.

Mr Rowley argued that the terror threat will be tackled only when the whole of society responds to extremism at its source, including local policing, education, councils, media, internet firms, communities and the Government.

With 600 ongoing investigations encompassing Islamist, extreme right-wing and other motivations, with more than 3,000 subjects of interest and more than 20,000 others who featured in past terrorism investigations, the challenge is unprecedented.

“I see extremists from Islamist and far-right persuasions both executing a common strategy” by exploiting existing grievances in target communities, generating distrust of state institutions and then “offering warped parallel alternatives”, Mr Rowley warned.

“This helps create the isolated, fearful setting for terrorists to step into – whether that’s in person or online – to inspire often vulnerable people to carry out attacks. Ironically, while Islamist and extreme right-wing ideologies may appear to be at opposing ends of the argument, it is evident that they both have a great deal in common.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 29876.html

[Lancasterclaret]

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Worth bearing in mind if you persist in "whataboutery"

[Bin Ont Turf]

https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/10 ... 1541345280

Worth bearing in mind if you persist in "whataboutery"

Pretty much a 'whataboutery' post from you there Lancaster.

[Lancasterclaret]

Yup, but it was in reply to a "whataboutery" post.

A sort of "double whataboutery" if you will.

Basically, all terrorist shits, be they be left wing, right wing, centre, blue, green, brown, black, white and whatever bullshit diety they use for their motivation should be executed by anti-aircraft gun*

*President Trumps new best friend favourite way of executing political opponents.

[Lancasterclaret]

And that includes (sadly as he's a claret) Hozz when he goes all Rambo first blood if Brexit doesn't happen.

[Damo]

Not sure whether you are making a logical case there.
If the police weren't spending so much of their time and resources trying to prevent right-wing terrorist atrocities then they would obviously have more time to try prevent the appalling atrocities that you describe above.
Are you trying to downplay the extent of ultra right-wing illegal activities in the UK?

This is how the left actually think.
A couple of incidents resulting in something like one death is a bigger issue, and the fault of something that has resulted in hundreds of deaths, many of them little girls attending a pop concert

[nil_desperandum]

This is how the left actually think.
A couple of incidents resulting in something like one death is a bigger issue, and the fault of something that has resulted in hundreds of deaths, many of them little girls attending a pop concert

Nothing like what I said.
Knowing - as I do, someone who works in counter-terrorism, I was pointing out that more money could be spent on countering ISIS and other groups if so many resources (money) weren't being diverted to countering the illegal activities of the ultra-right.
Not sure which bit of that is open to misinterpretation. Basic maths: any money that is diverted to countering extreme right wing terrorism is money that should be spent on countering ISIS and other groups.
And just to correct you on another point. If you do even minimum research you'll discover that it's not just one or two isolated incidents as you describe. It's an ongoing and increasing problem for our overstretched forces. (The FT article posted by UTB goes some way towards describing the situation, but of course you've no need to take any notice of one of our most high ranking officers in the Metropolitan Police).

[UpTheBeehole]

The right wing has killed more Brits than muslim extremists ever could

[dsr]

Unfortunately our overstretched police and anti-terrorist forces are having to spend an increasing amount of their time and resources countering extreme right wing terrorism, when their focus should be elsewhere.

Wouldn't it be more sense to say that police should be concentrating on all terrorism wherever it comes from? I don'tr see any reason why a bomb from a person who claims to be on the right wing is worse than a bomb from someone who claims to be on the left wing, or even at centre forward. A bomb is a bomb. Terror is terror.

[nil_desperandum]

Wouldn't it be more sense to say that police should be concentrating on all terrorism wherever it comes from? I don'tr see any reason why a bomb from a person who claims to be on the right wing is worse than a bomb from someone who claims to be on the left wing, or even at centre forward. A bomb is a bomb. Terror is terror.

Absolutely correct., but sadly not a view held by everyone on here.

[Herts Clarets]

Are you trying to downplay the extent of ultra right-wing illegal activities in the UK?

Not at all. Just balancing yet another post from our resident left wing loony, Up his own Arsehole.

Terrorists is terrorists in my eyes, but I don't feel the need to constantly highlight examples that support political views like some posters.

[nil_desperandum]

Not at all. Just balancing yet another post from our resident left wing loony, Up his own Arsehole.

Terrorists is terrorists in my eyes, but I don't feel the need to constantly highlight examples that support political views like some posters.

That's fair enough, but your reply was made quoting me, and I was only pointing out that our already overstretched police and counter-terrorist agencies, are now having to divert a significant amount of their resources to the growing "terrorism" of the ultra-right.
The result therefore is that in tight financial times, we are spending less on fighting international terrorist groups.
DSR nailed it. We have to be vigilant against all terrorists, whatever their roots, causes or background.

[ClaretMoffitt]

The right wing has killed more Brits than muslim extremists ever could

How many people have been killed by right wing terrorists in the UK in the last 30 years?

How many have been killed by islamic extermists in the last 18 months alone?

[evensteadiereddie]

Blimey, the Klan are out in force tonight, UTB, you baited that swim beautifully.

[Imploding Turtle]

Like the right wing terror attack at Manchester Arena?
Or the right wing Westminster atrocity?
Or the London Bridge/Borough Market slaughter?
Or the foiled plot with the mother and 2 daughters who planned a gun and grenade attack at the British Museum?
Or the right wing bloke from Nelson plotting and encouraging attacks on members of the royal family and football stadia?

Naughty lot these right wing terrorists.....

Islamic terrorists are pretty right wing.

The far right and Islamic fundamentalists do share a lot of the same values.

[UpTheBeehole]

How many people have been killed by right wing terrorists in the UK in the last 30 years?

How many have been killed by islamic extermists in the last 18 months alone?

Why restrict it to the last 30 years?

Why not go back to our grandparents' days, there were lots of British people being killed by right wingers then

[Lancasterclaret]

Can't be UTB, they had right wingers doing exactly that salute in London on Saturday. No way that right wingers killed thousands of Brits then, because you couldn't wave an England flag and do those salutes without feeling a bit of a knob surely?

[Lauren12]

The third Reich, Islamic extremism, the right wing nut jobs in the UK - the Khmer Rouge, Stalin's genocide (left wing nut jobs), etc - the list goes on and on - does it matter who they are/ or what 'side' they originate ? They all kill people and behave in the most inhumane ways imaginable. They are all evil, stupid people, who believe in evil, stupid things. End of.

Can we not at least agree on that.

Does it really need to get reduced to some sort of 'who's the evilest group' type game of Top trumps.

[NottsClaret]

Does it really need to get reduced to some sort of 'who's the evilest group' type game of Top trumps.

You’re kidding right? Even that Nando’s thread will end up there eventually.

[Falcon]

If someone wants to print off a set though we could have UTB and Damo have a game of Terrorist Top Trumps.

The loser has to leave the board forever... will the prize be worth the risk for our diametrically opposed posters...

[ClaretMoffitt]

Why restrict it to the last 30 years?

Why not go back to our grandparents' days, there were lots of British people being killed by right wingers then

Because I've only been alive for 28 years so anything beyond that doesn't really affect me.

[Lancasterclaret]

But you get that for people in the UK to be doing Nazi salutes while waving England flags is more than a bit off though yeah?