ARTICLE: Burnley to raid the Baggies?

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:24 pm

gtclaret wrote:Because the article says that J Rod's wages is out of our budget, and they won't sell Dawson, leaving Phillips as the only option

This is where footballers are arrogant. Jayrod probably just assumes Burnley will smash their wage ceiling to accommodate him.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:40 pm

I think we should keep our wage cap where it is at present
and, if anything, up the incentives/bonuses.

35k might the most some of our top players are on in terms of weekly wages but then
dependent on how many games they might have played they probably end up with
10k per week extra in bonus.

I think Jayrod, if he really wants to come back to Burnley, may well be happy with that.
If not then he should go else where and see if he can close to 60k a week but somehow don't think
many of the other clubs apparently interested in him will be too keen to offer 60k a week.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:46 pm

If those figures are accurate then there's one or two i'd gladly show the door. And Tarks and Mee are drastically underpaid! (IM , of course)

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:48 pm

Jay Rodriguez isn't that bothered about coming back to Burnley, his agent has already said he's not looking to move.

We'd have to match or better his wages.

Can't see us smashing our wage structure for him.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:59 pm

Football is a profession. I very much doubt he expects us to change a wage structure, just as we have zero right to expect he takes a pay cut equating to about one million pounds a year. Simple as. Shouldn’t be a priority signing anyway.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:38 pm

Apparently bids now in for £25m for Dawson and Jay.

Would personally sooner we met Rondons buy out at 16.5m who seems similar from a team player perspective and good character but offers more as a player.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:45 pm

Dawson should fill the gap at centre half assuming neither Mee or Tarks
leave and can double up as a right back too, so I"m led to believe.
Whilst Jayrod will offer more up front or possibly in the no.10 role.

Hope this comes off and then we can concentrate on another winger
and possibly midfielder too.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:48 pm

It wouldnt suprise me if this was already a done deal for that kind of money

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:56 pm

Daily Mirror are leading with the story tonight

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THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:57 pm

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LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:23 am

Chris Boden reporting Burnley have tabled a £25million bid for West Brom stars Craig Dawson and Jay Rodriguez. Boden is going to check in the morning.

HieronymousBoschHobs · Post by **HieronymousBoschHobs** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:33 am

Mirror are reporting the same. Looks like a fair offer to me.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:35 am

Think it’ll take more. Unless they are desperate for dough.

If we paid £15/£18m for Wood a year ago then Jay is definitely £20m+ (and they deserve a big profit on their £12m for taking the risk).

£30m?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:39 am

Not a jack parlance .....

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:58 am

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tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:08 am

I believe were also monitoring gaetan bong from Brighton.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:48 am

Why are we even trying to do deals with the Baggies after having our fingers burned before, its similar to previous seasons when we have gone after the same player time and again. Is it a deliberate ploy to look like we are trying in the transfer market?. We are capable of getting decent players in,we have proven that but we seem drawn towards clubs that just want to mess us about. The baggies need our money, we don't need their players, theres other players we could buy. Lets not wait and get messed about all summer, If they don't want to do a reasonable deal, fine lets move on to other players from other clubs.

'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results'

ClaretShaun wrote:Think it’ll take more. Unless they are desperate for dough.

If we paid £15/£18m for Wood a year ago then Jay is definitely £20m+ (and they deserve a big profit on their £12m for taking the risk).

£30m?

Your not serious are you? whats he done at West Brom that can possibly have increased his value to 20m+ ? his team as just been relegated, how many goals did he score? I think you must have shares in West Brom!!

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:04 am

If we have bid 25 million lets hope the Baggies are totally crazy and turn us down.

We can do better than these 2 championship players for that kind of money.

Rumpelstiltskin · Post by **Rumpelstiltskin** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:50 am

IMO that is a decent offer..Wouldnt be upping it much more.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:01 am

I feel generally we're right on the money with our bids. A fair price without being ripped off. Price gets inflated and we walk away. Can't remember feeling like we've overpayed since Hendrick. And to be fair we were a bit in the corner at the time, so fair do's.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:03 am

Two strong signings if they come off. There’s a good chance both players want to come so hopefully it’ll happen.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:04 am

Recall their CEO saying they are going to post a loss next year following this year's financial results. Forces their arm to consider good offers and use funds wisely on rebuilding a squad to get them back up.

I think this is a good offer.

Jeremy_Bentham · Post by **Jeremy_Bentham** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:13 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:Can't remember feeling like we've overpayed since Hendrick. And to be fair we were a bit in the corner at the time, so fair do's.

. thinks Charlie may be forgetting Nahki Wells.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:02 am

If Dawson is coming then one of Mee or Tarka is leaving, then we will be a weaker side.
Not sure Jay now adds anything really different good footballer though he is.
Uninspiring.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:05 am

Not sure any of that holds any water to be fair

We are light at CH and we need more competition for the No 10 role.

Happy with both, and its more premier league experience for the team

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:05 am

ablueclaret wrote:If Dawson is coming then one of Mee or Tarka is leaving.......

Weren't you one of those bashing the Board/Dyche because they did not invest in a new central defender because we were/still are short in that area?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:05 am

ablueclaret wrote:If Dawson is coming then one of Mee or Tarka is leaving, then we will be a weaker side.
Not sure Jay now adds anything really different good footballer though he is.
Uninspiring.

It's ok ablue we're bidding for a 14 year old from the continent, you will be creaming your pants when we have a starting eleven of under 16's.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:21 am

We need to bring in players capable of walking into our first team and these two fit the bill. I don't mean they'll immediately be in the first 11, but they'll be more than capable when called on. People will argue about resale value but they did the same with Jack Cork last summer and is anyone bothered about his resale value now?! The positives he brought to the table far outweigh any resale value. So £12.5m each for Dawson and Jay Rod would be a steal.

Dawson would be a fantastic signing. He's got bags of PL experience at CB and RB so he offers cover in two positions. He's also played as part of a back 3 so that opens up another option for us. I'd be quite happy with a back three of Mee, Tarky and Dawson thank you very much!

And there's not much we can say about Jay Rod. We know all about him already!! One of our own, a top footballer and a natural number 10 if ever there was one. The idea of Jay Rod sat behind Wood, with Brady and JBG on the wings is very exciting.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:29 am

Think we'll have to pay more than £25m for them but Jay would certainly be a capable and popular signing and Dawson is a competent centre back so great news if this comes off

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:30 am

If Dawson can cover at RB do we need Bardsley as well ? Sounds like he's on ridiculous money to bench warm. Dawson is a PL ready player and a threat at set pieces. This is a fair offer. If WBA play silly b*ggers we should move on though.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:31 am

How is this a good deal and a good price.

I like the look of Dawson but that suggests one of our very good centre backs is leaving ( that is very bad news if true).

JayRod is past his best, couldn’t wait to leave and we are supposed to give it all the green lights, because WBA have gone down..?

We are paying too much ( if £25 m is true) and we can do better.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:32 am

ablueclaret wrote:If Dawson is coming then one of Mee or Tarka is leaving, then we will be a weaker side.
Not sure Jay now adds anything really different good footballer though he is.
Uninspiring.

We could well be going 3 at the back next year. Evolving as they say.
What is uninspiring about two proven PL players? We start with a strong team whether these two go in or are on the bench it is a positive.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:36 am

Why would this suggest that one of our centre backs is leaving? We only have 3 specialist centre backs so are one short.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:38 am

Would either start? Probably not.

Would either massively improve our squad? Arguably. Dawson would improve our lack of options at cb. But hes not better than Mee or Tarks and I doubt he would come to bench warm.

Evans left for 3.5m and he has a vast amount more experience and is a better player. Rondon has a release clause of 16.5m. Seems as good a character as Jay amd has a more consistent record both in the premier league and in europe which is what we need next year.

So for 5m less we could have got two players with more top flight experience. A better calibre. And over 130 caps between them.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:42 am

It’s the way teams go who are trying to consolidate but suddenly find they are tired looking get relegated and plunge into debt and motivation trouble.
We have had 18 months to identify a young centre half to act as an understudy we’ve failed to do so.
What we need up front is pace and goals, Jay adds power in the air and some subtlety but he is not significantly different to what we have and his age and injuries count against him.
It is the likely way we are heading but just look at the outcome of last years dealings.
7 signings and only the relative youngsters Taylor and Wood contributing.
It is youth that has made this side, no more so than in central defence but we are now wanting to purchase certainty and in doing so losing that quality of difference and exuberance that separates teams out at this level.
We are heading in the wrong direction, and have forsaken the mantra which lead to our success.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:43 am

Dawson won’t come to warm a bench neither will Jay.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:46 am

We won’t be playing three at the back.
We had the best possible three in Keane Tarka and Mee a threesome many managers would drool over but we never played them as a unit. It won’t happen now.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:47 am

If I was Dawson and Jay I’d look what happened to the Stoke pair.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:55 am

Jay will start. Arguably Dawson will too.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:58 am

ablueclaret wrote: It is the likely way we are heading but just look at the outcome of last years dealings.
7 signings and only the relative youngsters Taylor and Wood contributing.

Have you forgotten the massive contribution from jack Cork

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:59 am

ablueclaret wrote:If I was Dawson and Jay I’d look what happened to the Stoke pair.

If you were either of them we wouldn't be in for you in a million years

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:02 am

ablueclaret wrote: We are heading in the wrong direction....

I'm sure I read someone on here saying something like that last season.

Oh yes, it was you. Dipstick.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:03 am

Bigvince wrote:Have you forgotten the massive contribution from jack Cork

And I think Bardsley played his part for a while

Even if you're not in the team or on the bench you still play a part in the 'group'

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:10 am

Fine by me. Will strengthen the squad. Dyche knows what he is doing. He will have a strategy for evolving the squad which will have both short and longer term elements.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 am

Yes fair does on Cork, as I said at the time a decent signing that would enable us to become more flexible.
Look both Dawson and Jay are decent players but Dawson is not as good as what we have, and Jay is vulnerable physically and does not add a lot in terms of fire power over Barnes.
If we were to go for a past player the mecurial skills of Ings would fit the bill better.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:19 am

Dealing with WBA , seriously !

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:21 am

ablueclaret wrote:Yes fair does on Cork, as I said at the time a decent signing that would enable us to become more flexible.
Look both Dawson and Jay are decent players but Dawson is not as good as what we have, and Jay is vulnerable physically and does not add a lot in terms of fire power over Barnes.
If we were to go for a past player the mecurial skills of Ings would fit the bill better.

Ings?

Sorry, nice guy but hugely overrated in my opinion.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:23 am

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:If we have bid 25 million lets hope the Baggies are totally crazy and turn us down.

We can do better than these 2 championship players for that kind of money.

When was the last time either played in the championship ?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:28 am

ablueclaret wrote:It is the likely way we are heading but just look at the outcome of last years dealings.

The outcome of last year's dealings is that we improved from 16th to 7th in the PL.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:29 am

Even if Mee stays, I can see Dawson getting the nod ahead of Lowton at right back (where he’s played the majority of his football at West Brom).

Would be really harsh on Lowts, but I can see it.