Why only £18m for best keeper in Prem?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:43 am

News full of Liverpool zooming in on Nick Pope for £18m.

Seems like it is their own publicity machine fixing the price!

Double that, if Short arms is worth £25-30m!

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:45 am

horrible club

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:45 am

I agree he is worth more than that, but he isn't the best keeper in the Premier League.

Hendrickxz · Post by **Hendrickxz** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:46 am

It's because the cheeky Scousers want to nick him on the cheap like they did with Danny Ings. If he has to go, let's have a bidding war.

winsomeyen · Post by **winsomeyen** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:49 am

******** to a bidding war, much better to keep him.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:49 am

Be patient by the end of the World Cup his value will have gone through the roof with all the saves he would have made had he been playing. He already has a MOM performance under his belt after that world class penalty save he would have made against Tunisia

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:51 am

David De Gea is valued at much more than £18m

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:53 am

£18 m in this mad market is a joke.
Pretty sure what Everton paid for Pickford has influenced him being England's No1.
He's a good keeper.
Both Pope & Heaton are better though.

Granted he played last season behind a poor defence without confidence.
But he still shipped loads of goals and made more mistakes than Nick.

Everyone has a price.
Double that £18 million and maybe it's a deal.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:04 pm

Ian, you once criticised Grant for not saving a shot that went wide

Yesterday you were convinced Pope would've saved the penalty that Pickford didn't

Now you think Pope is a better goalkeeper than David De Gea?

Just please stop with your rubbish

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:09 pm

Foshiznik wrote:I agree he is worth more than that, but he isn't the best keeper in the Premier League.

No, he's the 2nd

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:13 pm

He's not the best keeper in the premier league...or the 2nd best..or 3rd best. Pope is a very good keeper but some of the claret tinted spectacle stuff is nauseating.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:14 pm

He will be desperate to get to Liverpool....it's a no-brainer for him.

If he gets that gig he will be established as the England number one by the end of next season, no question.

Sadly, that's how it works.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:17 pm

taio wrote:He's not the best keeper in the premier league...or the 2nd best..or 3rd best. Pope is a very good keeper but some of the claret tinted spectacle stuff is nauseating.

Bloody clarets coming on this board, bigging up their own bloody players, armed with stats and opinions to prove how good they are!

How dare they! Some people eh!

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:19 pm

I can just hear the Liverpool fans now. Why are we looking to sign players from the likes of Beeeeernley?

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:20 pm

starting_11 wrote:Bloody clarets coming on this board, bigging up their own bloody players, armed with stats and opinions to prove how good they are!

How dare they! Some people eh!

Well it is better than the shi1te you've served up of late.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:23 pm

I just like to add a bit of balance and opinion to the board.

Also, it's nice to give certain posters a taste of what they're dishing up on a daily basis!

You have a problem with that?

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:26 pm

starting_11 wrote:I just like to add a bit of balance and opinion to the board.

Also, it's nice to give certain posters a taste of what they're dishing up on a daily basis!

You have a problem with that?

Not particularly hence why I haven't engaged on that stuff.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:27 pm

You can only go off the evidence provided and Nick Pope was the second best ‘keeper in the league last year.

For that reason alone, he’s got to be worth more than £18m.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:30 pm

starting_11 wrote:I just like to add a bit of balance and opinion to the board.

Also, it's nice to give certain posters a taste of what they're dishing up on a daily basis!

You have a problem with that?

That is some seriously over the top drama queenery right there.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:47 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:You can only go off the evidence provided and Nick Pope was the second best ‘keeper in the league last year.

For that reason alone, he’s got to be worth more than £18m.

Yes he was 2nd best on stats, last season.
However, given De Gea' s performance in world cup, I decided our Nick had moved up a place!
Sounds very logical and so his fee will match.

JPS71 · Post by **JPS71** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:51 pm

I would have thought at least £30 mil+ for Pope

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:53 pm

IanMcL wrote:Yes he was 2nd best on stats, last season.
However, given De Gea' s performance in world cup, I decided our Nick had moved up a place!
Sounds very logical and so his fee will match.

De Gea dropped a place for not saving those shots going wide of the post, eh Ian

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:09 pm

KRBFC wrote:De Gea dropped a place for not saving those shots going wide of the post, eh Ian

You are obviously not watching the world cup!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:18 pm

Just don't see this rumour having legs.

Firstly, £18 million sounds cheap given his age and potential (although it could be a release fee negotiated before he was quite as sought after as he now is).

Secondly, no matter what the stats say, the reason Pope probably won't go to a top club is that he's not good enough on the deck. It was the reason he was released by Ipswich as a kid (however misguidedly) and despite putting in a huge amount of effort, he's still clumsy with the ball at his feet. For a team like Burnley, or perhaps even a team managed by someone Mourinho, that's not an issue at all. For Liverpool, its a big problem.

More interesting to me is where and why this rumour is bleeding out, now. The whole thing about £18 million makes me wonder if its an agent trying to get Pope another new deal.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:21 pm

IanMcL wrote:You are obviously not watching the world cup!

He's been the best goalkeeper in the World for the past 3 years or so, week in week out, he makes 1 mistake and suddenly people forget the past 3 years.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:35 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:I can just hear the Liverpool fans now. Why are we looking to sign players from the likes of Beeeeernley?

You need a linguaphone scouse. It’s Bairrrrnnlleee.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:48 pm

claretspice wrote:Just don't see this rumour having legs.

Firstly, £18 million sounds cheap given his age and potential (although it could be a release fee negotiated before he was quite as sought after as he now is).

Secondly, no matter what the stats say, the reason Pope probably won't go to a top club is that he's not good enough on the deck. It was the reason he was released by Ipswich as a kid (however misguidedly) and despite putting in a huge amount of effort, he's still clumsy with the ball at his feet. For a team like Burnley, or perhaps even a team managed by someone Mourinho, that's not an issue at all. For Liverpool, its a big problem.

More interesting to me is where and why this rumour is bleeding out, now. The whole thing about £18 million makes me wonder if its an agent trying to get Pope another new deal.

The lad's gone from Burnley Reserve to an England debut in 8 months or so....and made himself statistically the best keeper in the best league in the world...and player of the season at the 7th placed club therein.

Yet there's still this cloth cap subservient mentality around that can't quite grasp that we have some top top players at our club.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:53 pm

fatboy47 wrote:Yet there's still this cloth cap subservient mentality around that can't quite grasp that we have some top top players at our club.

Pope is nowhere near the level of DDG for example. He's world class, a keeper that can play for any side. Nick Pope isn't.

Chelsea, Spurs and Man U. have far better keepers, and by a long way too.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:02 pm

Spijed wrote:Pope is nowhere near the level of DDG for example. He's world class, a keeper that can play for any side. Nick Pope isn't.

Chelsea, Spurs and Man U. have far better keepers, and by a long way too.

Yeah it's pretty crazy for people to suggest England's number 3 goalkeeper is better than David De Gea

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:13 pm

Time to show some spine. £18m would really put our “good business” into perspective. Nowhere near enough, not like we’re a team struggling for revenue either.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:17 pm

fatboy47 wrote:The lad's gone from Burnley Reserve to an England debut in 8 months or so....and made himself statistically the best keeper in the best league in the world...and player of the season at the 7th placed club therein.

Yet there's still this cloth cap subservient mentality around that can't quite grasp that we have some top top players at our club.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. I think Pope is a cracking keeper, but of the calibre to go to Liverpool as the first choice answer to their goalkeeping problems - or at least, not yet. But I also think he's worth significantly more than £18 million quid, because he's got all the tools - apart from possibly his kicking - to be a top class keeper in years to come.

That's not a criticism, its not an observation that ignores the speed of his rise - its a comment on the likelihood of Liverpool wanting him now and us being willing to sell him for the mooted figure.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:53 pm

Liverpool have their own local supporter's club over here in Oshawa. The vice-president is from Colne and used to support us. He's the only quiet one in the bunch. Horrible people! A friend who supports Dunfermline (he's a wee lad), has drunk the Kool Aid and joined up. A pox on them all!!!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:01 pm

Spijed wrote:Pope is nowhere near the level of DDG for example. He's world class, a keeper that can play for any side. Nick Pope isn't.

Chelsea, Spurs and Man U. have far better keepers, and by a long way too.

"nowhere near the level..."
I think you'll find they play in the same league.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:07 pm

boatshed bill wrote:"nowhere near the level..."
I think you'll find they play in the same league.

So do all the other goalkeepers in the Prem. What's your point?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:10 pm

Spijed wrote:So do all the other goalkeepers in the Prem. What's your point?

Nowhere near the same level insults our excellent goalkeeper, he plies his trade at the same level as DeGea.
Now, if you said "he's not as good as DDG, in my opinion", I would agree with you.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:14 pm

With the farcical inflation of transfer fees even Jensen is worth £18 million.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:40 pm

""" I think Pope is a cracking keeper, but of the calibre to go to Liverpool as the first choice"""

Oh...right Spice....like the clown who bottled it in the cup final you mean ???

Youre the nonsense talker here.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:40 pm

claretspice wrote:Just don't see this rumour having legs.

Firstly, £18 million sounds cheap given his age and potential (although it could be a release fee negotiated before he was quite as sought after as he now is).

Secondly, no matter what the stats say, the reason Pope probably won't go to a top club is that he's not good enough on the deck. It was the reason he was released by Ipswich as a kid (however misguidedly) and despite putting in a huge amount of effort, he's still clumsy with the ball at his feet. For a team like Burnley, or perhaps even a team managed by someone Mourinho, that's not an issue at all. For Liverpool, its a big problem.

More interesting to me is where and why this rumour is bleeding out, now. The whole thing about £18 million makes me wonder if its an agent trying to get Pope another new deal.

He may not be very good on the deck but Liverpool would have at least got to extra time against Real with Pope in the nets. I know who I would rather have in the pegs, the bloke that catches the ******* thing over the bloke who can pass it 25 yards.

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:49 pm

I think it must have been a widespread type. Metro have it right...

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boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:54 pm

I think being able to catch a football is the most prized asset for a goalkeeper.
I'm fairly sick of all this "he's good with his feet" bullsh!t, because it's only a trend, and will be forgotten in a couple of seasons.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:55 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I'm fairly sick of all this "he's good with his feet" bullsh!t, because it's only a trend, and will be forgotten in a couple of seasons.

Pep Guardiola might disagree with you!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:01 pm

claretspice wrote:Just don't see this rumour having legs.

Firstly, £18 million sounds cheap given his age and potential (although it could be a release fee negotiated before he was quite as sought after as he now is).

Secondly, no matter what the stats say, the reason Pope probably won't go to a top club is that he's not good enough on the deck. It was the reason he was released by Ipswich as a kid (however misguidedly) and despite putting in a huge amount of effort, he's still clumsy with the ball at his feet. For a team like Burnley, or perhaps even a team managed by someone Mourinho, that's not an issue at all. For Liverpool, its a big problem.

More interesting to me is where and why this rumour is bleeding out, now. The whole thing about £18 million makes me wonder if its an agent trying to get Pope another new deal.

Not being good enough on the deck mattered absolutely feck all before Guardiola arrived. Naff all. And most of the top sides don't worry about it either. Get Guardiola out of your mind - not every club is that anal about it... yet. Give it time. This is the only reason why it's entered your head.

"Secondly, no matter what the stats say" - this means... "I am right, regardless of what you say".. not good.

"More interesting to me is where and why this rumour is bleeding out, now" - really? Why does it actually matter? We have a club interested in one of our players.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:12 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Not being good enough on the deck mattered absolutely feck all before Guardiola arrived. Naff all. And most of the top sides don't worry about it either. Get Guardiola out of your mind - not every club is that anal about it... yet. Give it time. This is the only reason why it's entered your head.

"Secondly, no matter what the stats say" - this means... "I am right, regardless of what you say".. not good.

"More interesting to me is where and why this rumour is bleeding out, now" - really? Why does it actually matter? We have a club interested in one of our players.

I thought the goalkeepers being good with their feet was irrelevant until I saw Ederson play for City under Pep, he really is vital and his kicking is important. It's not just the being good with feet that Pep likes either, he likes keepers able to get out quickly to sweep up, I'm not sure Pope is comfortable at either as amazing as he is for us. Is Pope a better keeper than Mignolet and Karius? without a doubt, but does he fit the way Klopp wants to play? I don't think he does. Pep has transformed the game and brought to light how important a good ''playmaker'' goalkeeper can be.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:16 pm

Spijed wrote:Pep Guardiola might disagree with you!

Well we'll have to wait and see.
Not so many years ago much was made of 'keepers' abilities at sort of bowling the ball to somewhere near the halfway line, you wouldn't see much of it now because building up from the back is seen as more important. It's all trends, and I don't doubt that good old Pep will be on the pulse of the next one.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:19 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Not being good enough on the deck mattered absolutely feck all before Guardiola arrived. Naff all. And most of the top sides don't worry about it either. Get Guardiola out of your mind - not every club is that anal about it... yet. Give it time. This is the only reason why it's entered your head.

Plain wrong. The idea is top managers havent been interested in all the skills a player needs to use is a bit daft. Its like the old idea it doesnt matter if a centre half can pass a ball or not. Obviously, a keepers ability with his feet is less important thsn his shot stopping etc., but it doesnt mean it isnt one of the things that separates the very good from the outstanding.

And whether you think its important or not, Jurgen Klopp does. And hes the one who would be buying Pope, so his view on the importance of distribution to a keeper is quite important. Probably more important than your strident opinion.

FactualFrank wrote:Secondly, no matter what the stats say" - this means... "I am right, regardless of what you say".. not good.

No it doesnt. It means distribution isnt really captured in the stats but is still an important factor.

["quote="FactualFrank"] interesting to me is where and why this rumour is bleeding out, now" - really? Why does it actually matter? We have a club interested in one of our players.[/quote]

Always a slight concern to me when a story gets into the media whuch has the whiff of agent spin about it. But lets hope I'm wrong about that.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:28 pm

Spijed wrote:Pope is nowhere near the level of DDG for example. He's world class, a keeper that can play for any side. Nick Pope isn't.

Chelsea, Spurs and Man U. have far better keepers, and by a long way too.

De Gea was simply awful v Portugal and could easily have been responsible for Spain going out of The World Cup

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:33 pm

FCBurnley wrote:De Gea was simply awful v Portugal and could easily have been responsible for Spain going out of The World Cup

He made a mistake, like all players do, even the best. Basing an opinion on 1 mistake when he's been the best goalkeeper in the world for the past 3 or so years is plain stupidity.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:33 pm

Not sure how Nick can be the best keeper in the Prem when he isn’t even the best keeper at the Turf.

Some of us have very short memories. Nick is a top keeper by the way.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:36 pm

Doesn't alter the fact that De Gea has been one of the best keepers in the world for a while now. Spain weren't even close to going out of the world cup because they didn't really come close to getting beat, despite Ronaldo's brilliance, and even if they had it obviously wouldn't have meant they we out of the competition. Saying De Gea is better than Pope is in no way an insult to Pope.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:38 pm

There's a very real argument that Nick Pope is the best goalkeeper we've had at Burnley since Colin McDonald, all those years ago.

Quite frankly this £18m reported offer is nothing short of an insult.