World cup thread

Billy_Bumface · Post by **Billy_Bumface** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:59 pm

1-0 down in injury time and yer man tries a somersault throw in.
Brilliant

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:04 pm

Excellent game very enjoyable.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:06 pm

Ian wright Iran should have played better in the first half? Erm they drew the first half! Half wit.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:07 pm

may aswell pack their bags now, the Ronaldo show again next game. They wont get away with that negative crap against Ron

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:19 pm

Another intriguing game good WC this.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:29 pm

It's so far a brilliant World Cup.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:42 pm

Any more offers we've got intriguing and brilliant so far

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:07 pm

Unpredictable

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:11 pm

Been quite a spectacle so far Mexico v Germany Spain v Portugal two games of note and Russia doing well.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:36 pm

Slaven Bilic not impressed with what she's coming out with.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:20 pm

Great goal by the Danes, who seem to be in control.
Am enjoying the fact that there is no play acting.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:23 pm

It's a very dull game, though.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:28 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It's a very dull game, though.

Lots of honest endeavour

I don’t think it’s that bad a game.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:36 pm

VAR.....peno to Aussies!

Edit...scored!!!

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:37 pm

Should not have been a penalty. Utter nonsense from VAR.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:41 pm

I had Schmeichel as one of the best keepers in the Prem and better than Pope but Ive no doubt Pope would have saved that had he been Danish and therefore he must be better.

The scousers are gonna need to up their bid as in my book his values has just risen yet again

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:42 pm

Nonsense penalty and a nonsense booking.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:42 pm

It’s been an awful world cup, this far but it always is.
The current match could be only the fourth really good game, after SpavPor, GervMex and BravSwz.
The final group games, that matter, are where it takes off.
No new systems so far and very few unknowns who’ve made a reputation.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:43 pm

Awful World Cup? Give over.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:44 pm

Clear pen. A header that is on target stopped by an arm that is stuck out, up in the air.
If that had been Clarets and not given you’d be crying in your beer.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:44 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Awful World Cup? Give over.

It’s all opinions Frank.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:45 pm

It's been like most World Cups up to now.
Mostly so so games, a couple of crackers, and a few stinkers.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:46 pm

piston broke wrote:Clear pen. A header that is on target stopped by an arm that is stuck out, up in the air.
If that had been Clarets and not given you’d be crying in your beer.

If that had been the Clarets it probably wouldn't have been given.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:49 pm

piston broke wrote:It’s all opinions Frank.

Well, obviously. I'm just surprised.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:51 pm

piston broke wrote:It’s been an awful world cup, this far but it always is.
The current match could be only the fourth really good game, after SpavPor, GervMex and BravSwz.
The final group games, that matter, are where it takes off.
No new systems so far and very few unknowns who’ve made a reputation.

I thought we were in for a cracking World Cup after watching the Portugal v Spain game, really boring so far though. Penalties, own goals, mismatched teams, negative tactics. I think we have to wait until the knock out stages to see games between 2 teams trying to win the game. Non of the top teams have got out of first gear yet but the competition is so poor they don't need to just yet.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:I thought we were in for a cracking World Cup after watching the Portugal v Spain game, really boring so far though. Penalties, own goals, mismatched teams, negative tactics. I think we have to wait until the knock out stages to see games between 2 teams trying to win the game. Non of the top teams have got out of first gear yet but the competition is so poor they don't need to just yet.

Wow.

You got all that out of most teams playing once so far?

Cool review.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:08 pm

piston broke wrote:Clear pen. A header that is on target stopped by an arm that is stuck out, up in the air.
If that had been Clarets and not given you’d be crying in your beer.

If that had have been the Clarets, I would have WANTED it given but would still think it was a wrong decision.
In fact, I’ve not seen a penalty given in this World Cup that was more clearly NOT a penalty

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:10 pm

starting_11 wrote:Wow.

You got all that out of most teams playing once so far?

Cool review.

''really boring so far''

Do you understand what I meant when I said ''so far''? or did you purposely miss that part, selective reading.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:14 pm

starting_11 wrote:Wow.

You got all that out of most teams playing once so far?

Cool review.

That review is spot on. You can only review what you’ve seen. The best is still to come, hopefully.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:17 pm

shocking crosses from aussie's, some great play ruined by inept wingers, amateruish.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:22 pm

starting_11 wrote:Wow.
You got all that out of most teams playing once so far?
Cool review.

I think he was just sucking up to Piston.

People need to look more than just goals and see the tactics that teams are playing. There's been games when it's been more like a chess match, and I find that sometimes also very interesting.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:24 pm

Here’s the handball law. If anyone can persuade me that a penalty was the correct decision after reading this then I’ll be amazed.

“HANDLING THE BALL

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:
- the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
- the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
- the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence”

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:27 pm

My first instinct was no penalty. It was ball to hand.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:32 pm

FactualFrank wrote:My first instinct was no penalty. It was ball to hand.

Well, you haven’t persuaded me

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:38 pm

What gets me is that the VAR people are not under the same intense pressure as the referee and they have time to look at the incident at least a couple of times and from all different angles yet they see fit to flag it up to the referee. The referee then has a closer look and comes up with one of the most farcical decisions at this World Cup. We need a STBOR (seeing the bleeding obvious referee) not a VAR.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:41 pm

One thing that's reminded me in this World Cup, and yeah you see it all the time in football, but it seems to be more obvious... lack of anticipation.

So many players don't read the game well and don't anticipate a player is going to make a pass before it happens. You then get a player who doesn't reach the ball in time, when really, they should have set off a second earlier. It's only the best teams such as Spain who have players that have the obvious ball playing skills, but they also have it upstairs. They know a ball is coming to them before it happens.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:41 pm

Players have to learn to keep their arms down.
The header was on target. It is usually ball to hand but where the hand is must be taken into consideration.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:42 pm

VAR: bringing technology into the Stupid-Decision age

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:44 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I think he was just sucking up to Piston.

People need to look more than just goals and see the tactics that teams are playing. There's been games when it's been more like a chess match, and I find that sometimes also very interesting.

I think not. Too much of this thread has been taken up with the debate on who should be there and KRBFC and myself are at opposite ends of that argument but we just happen to agree that, so far, this tournament hasn’t stirred the blood.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:46 pm

piston broke wrote:Players have to learn to keep their arms down.
The header was on target. It is usually ball to hand but where the hand is must be taken into consideration.

It doesn’t matter if the header was on target.
It doesn’t necessarily matter where the arm is.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:15 pm

another mind-bogglingly bad decision by a cretinous referee.

seriously, where do they get them from? drama school?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:27 pm

Claret wrote:It doesn’t matter if the header was on target.
It doesn’t necessarily matter where the arm is.

But it should.
Horsefiddlers scored a goal at Pompey, a few years back, where the player slid in and pushed the ball into the net. Totally accidental but the goal was given. A nonsense, scoring a goal with an illegal part of your body.
The laws need tightening up so any handball is a handball. Players would then tuck their arms behind their back, as Trippier does even now.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:51 pm

This France game should be good, I don't think the Peruvian's will sit back like negative pussies and let World class players have all of the ball in their final 3rd. I expect them to get after the French like the Mexicans did which should make for an exciting game.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:52 pm

piston broke wrote:But it should.
Horsefiddlers scored a goal at Pompey, a few years back, where the player slid in and pushed the ball into the net. Totally accidental but the goal was given. A nonsense, scoring a goal with an illegal part of your body.
The laws need tightening up so any handball is a handball. Players would then tuck their arms behind their back, as Trippier does even now.

but how do you move your body properly with your hands behind your back, arms are used for momentum, balance, leverage and contact with opposition players to get the physical edge.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:59 pm

yTib wrote:another mind-bogglingly bad decision by a cretinous referee.

seriously, where do they get them from? drama school?

Disagree. The referee made the correct decision from what he saw and that was no penalty, however, because someone watching on a TV screen has a different opinion, he contacts the referee and tells him that he must have another look at the incident. The referee, being a FIFA employee and very aware that FIFA's big new thing is VAR, is considering his options whilst he makes his way to look at the screen. By the time he looks at it again on a screen, all he sees it that it hit the defender's hand and, because the VAR opinion has been brought to bear, he changes his original correct decision in order to appease his bosses and keep his job.
VAR Rules.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:06 pm

Go on Peru, a real underdog to support..... of course France have better players but the Peruvians dont care, non of that pussy Iran crap, get at em

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:08 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Disagree. The referee made the correct decision from what he saw and that was no penalty, however, because someone watching on a TV screen has a different opinion, he contacts the referee and tells him that he must have another look at the incident. The referee, being a FIFA employee and very aware that FIFA's big new thing is VAR, is considering his options whilst he makes his way to look at the screen. By the time he looks at it again on a screen, all he sees it that it hit the defender's hand and, because the VAR opinion has been brought to bear, he changes his original correct decision in order to appease his bosses and keep his job.
VAR Rules.

nice theory but hard to prove.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:16 pm

This ref is a nutjob, there'll be trouble in this game guaranteed

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:17 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Disagree. The referee made the correct decision from what he saw and that was no penalty, however, because someone watching on a TV screen has a different opinion, he contacts the referee and tells him that he must have another look at the incident. The referee, being a FIFA employee and very aware that FIFA's big new thing is VAR, is considering his options whilst he makes his way to look at the screen. By the time he looks at it again on a screen, all he sees it that it hit the defender's hand and, because the VAR opinion has been brought to bear, he changes his original correct decision in order to appease his bosses and keep his job.
VAR Rules.

As you know I am pro var but I think you have a very valid point.
I can’t think of a single instance where having been told to check var the ref has said I was correct the first time. They have always upheld the var officials decision.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:Go on Peru, a real underdog to support..... of course France have better players but the Peruvians dont care, non of that pussy Iran crap, get at em

Peru are ranked 4 places behind France, hardly the underdogs Iran were against Spain.