Why only £18m for best keeper in Prem?

[taio]

If there's any truth in the £18m it should be just a flat no because he's clearly worth more than that in the current market.

[whiffa]

Not a common opinion I expect but I'd have a fully fit Tom Heaton over Pope any day. Don't get me wrong Nick has been absolutely fantastic - but if the right price comes in and Tom is Dyche fit, I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if we were to sell. We need to remember we are still Burnley, this is what we do best. Build and grow. Buy well, sell well.

[boatshed bill]

Plain wrong. The idea is top managers havent been interested in all the skills a player needs to use is a bit daft. Its like the old idea it doesnt matter if a centre half can pass a ball or not. Obviously, a keepers ability with his feet is less important thsn his shot stopping etc., but it doesnt mean it isnt one of the things that separates the very good from the outstanding.

And whether you think its important or not, Jurgen Klopp does. And hes the one who would be buying Pope, so his view on the importance of distribution to a keeper is quite important. Probably more important than your strident opinion.



No it doesnt. It means distribution isnt really captured in the stats but is still an important factor.

["quote="FactualFrank"] interesting to me is where and why this rumour is bleeding out, now" - really? Why does it actually matter? We have a club interested in one of our players.

Always a slight concern to me when a story gets into the media whuch has the whiff of agent spin about it. But lets hope I'm wrong about that.[/quote]

Hang on a minute here.

Spice, you are saying that distribution by foot is vitally important to Kloppy, but most on here consider distribution to be Pope's weakness??
I don't really get it.
Or has klopp decided that stopping shots is a priority now??

[FactualFrank]

Plain wrong.

Does that differ to wrong?

You're babbling. Several posters have stated that, with respect, you're typing absolute shite. You can't watch much football because you don't come across as knowing much about it.

[ColonelCool]

If there's any truth in the £18m it should be just a flat no because he's clearly worth more than that in the current market.

Is he? Hes not worth that money if sat on the bench

[taio]

Is he? Hes not worth that money if sat on the bench

Yes he's worth more than £18m. And if he leaves this summer I believe it will be for more than that. I don't get your reference to him sitting on the bench.

[ColonelCool]

I don't get your reference to him sitting on the bench.

So you haven't yet realised that we have Tom Heaton? Who could quite possibly (and realistically) be our number 1 come next season?

[taio]

So you haven't yet realised that we have Tom Heaton? Who could quite possibly (and realistically) be our number 1 come next season?

I'm well aware we have Heaton. But if Pope leaves it will be before the PL season starts so no time for his value to reduce with him spending a prolonged period on the bench. You haven't realised that or thought it through have you?

[ColonelCool]

I'm well aware we have Heaton. But if Pope leaves it will be before the PL season starts so no time for his value to reduce with him spending a prolonged period on the bench. You haven't realised that or thought it through have you?

Well, I've seen some excuses to not realising your own team, but it's an effort! Not knowing Burnley football club and who plays for them is a bit poor!

[taio]

Well, I've seen some excuses to not realising your own team, but it's an effort! Not knowing Burnley football club and who plays for them is a bit poor!

Tied yourself in knots trying to be a smart arse but instead made yourself look a fool. ColonelFool.

[Greeny]

Pope is a class goalkeeper. His shot stopping is excellent, he does not get flustered + he was consistently outstanding on crosses. Taking the pressure of our defenders. None of the nonsense punching we see from many keepers.

£18M valuation is way too low in the current market. Excuse the pun but he is a “keeper” if we are to continue to build the squad.

[ColonelCool]

Tied yourself in knots trying to be a smart arse but instead made yourself look a fool. ColonelFool.

Erm... no. That makes no sense.
Now if you are over the age of 25, there's something wrong. If you are over 25 - never post on the board again.

[taio]

Erm... no. That makes no sense.
Now if you are over the age of 25, there's something wrong. If you are over 25 - never post on the board again.

Perhaps you can explain how Pope's valuation, if sold this summer, would be less with him being sat on the bench when the transfer window closes before the PL starts. Or are your saying his value will tumble if he's a sub in the Europa League qualification games? Either way that's stupid. But don't post again because you clearly won't be able to explain yourself.

[ColonelCool]

Perhaps you can explain how Pope's valuation, if sold this summer, would be less with him being sat on the bench when the transfer window closes before the PL starts. Or are your saying his value will tumble if he's a sub in the Europa League qualification games? Either way that's stupid. But don't post again because you clearly won't be able to explain yourself.

Are you asking me about football or grammar?

[RocketLawnChair]

For all Edersons **** farting about with the bal at which he is fantastically competent his two best highlights against us on’t Turf were the saves off Mee and Lennon. So let’s not kid ourselves, that’s why Pep signed him for Man City because first and foremost he’s a bloody good goalkeeper.

[taio]

Are you asking me about football or grammar?

Let me simplify it for you:

- you said if Pope is sold it would be for less than his current value as he will be on the bench
- I said his value won't reduce for that reason because the PL starts after the transfer window closes
- you don't appear to have any ability to follow a simple and obvious point.

So there is no point continuing with this discussion.

[ColonelCool]

Let me simplify it for you:

- you said if Pope is sold it would be for less than his current value as he will be on the bench
- I said his value won't reduce for that reason because the PL starts after the transfer window closes
- you don't appear to have any ability to follow a simple and obvious point.

So there is no point continuing with this discussion.

You are one hell of a strange poster. The question is.. are there enough hours to sort it all out?

[tim_noone]

Let me simplify it for you:

- you said if Pope is sold it would be for less than his current value as he will be on the bench
- I said his value won't reduce for that reason because the PL starts after the transfer window closes
- you don't appear to have any ability to follow a simple and obvious point.

So there is no point continuing with this discussion.

just as I was getting the popcorn out.

[paulus the woodgnome]

Well, I've seen some excuses to not realising your own team, but it's an effort! Not knowing Burnley football club and who plays for them is a bit poor!

What does this mean Colonel? It's gibberish.

[ColonelCool]

What does this mean Colonel? It's gibberish.

Are you asking, or logging in as the other username? - yes - we know.

[ColonelCool]

Ah man.

[claretspice]

Does that differ to wrong?

You're babbling. Several posters have stated that, with respect, you're typing absolute shite. You can't watch much football because you don't come across as knowing much about it.

Entirely up to you if you want to get aggressive, but you come across as a bit of a wally. An angry wally at that.

[claretspice]

Always a slight concern to me when a story gets into the media whuch has the whiff of agent spin about it. But lets hope I'm wrong about that.

Hang on a minute here.

Spice, you are saying that distribution by foot is vitally important to Kloppy, but most on here consider distribution to be Pope's weakness??
I don't really get it.
Or has klopp decided that stopping shots is a priority now??[/quote]

I think every manager regards stopping shots as a priority - its the bare minimum. However, that doesn't mean that the top clubs aren't looking for keepers who have good distribution in addition. Like I said, distribution is one of those "added extras" which arguably separate the very good keepers from the world class. Liverpool want to go to the next level, so they want world class, and their manager is on record as saying that he regards distribution (which necessarily involves kicking, a lot) as a key attribute he wants his keeper to have.

I don't know if a majority of Burnley fans see distribution as Pope's weakness, but my personal opinion is that it is his Achilles heel at the minute. He's OK from dead balls, but from back passes when the ball is moving I think he's a bit shaky. And of course, in those teams that regard keeping possession as a priority, there are a lot of back passes, so that would be a bit of a problem.

Am I saying Pope can't improve his distribution? Of course not. Can he become good enough to play for a team like Liverpool? Possibly. His improvement over the last 3-4 years has been so dramatic it would be foolish to write anything off.

[IanMcL]

He's been the best goalkeeper in the World for the past 3 years or so, week in week out, he makes 1 mistake and suddenly people forget the past 3 years.

I think you are taking the sentiments too seriously!

The fact remains that Pope is worth far in excess of Liverpool's paltry, press release, sum.

[IanMcL]

I remember watching Pat Jennings as a young lad and he could hardly kick the ball at all. Went on to be the best.

[Imploding Turtle]

18m for a keeper who has less than one excellent season is reasonable. Another good season next season, with European experience and we can reasonably expect that value to double.

[Tall Paul]

18m for a keeper who has less than one excellent season is reasonable. Another good season next season, with European experience and we can reasonably expect that value to double.

How many good seasons had Pickford had when Everton paid £30m for him?

[claretspice]

I remember watching Pat Jennings as a young lad and he could hardly kick the ball at all. Went on to be the best.

Absolutely, Ian, and that's a great example of why its possible.

One thing I would say is that there's one key difference these days - in Jennings' day, keepers could pick up a back pass. They can't now. That's changed the level of skill with the ball at their feet a keeper needs, particularly in a team that intends to use the keeper as a means to keep the ball.

[andyh]

Liverpool have previous for this. Van dyke last year is a great example. Leak you are interested. Let the player think about it and maybe even agitate for a move. Pick the player up for less than true market value or screw them up.

[FactualFrank]

Entirely up to you if you want to get aggressive, but you come across as a bit of a wally. An angry wally at that.

You need to watch more football.