Pickford

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:35 pm

Not too sure what he did in the first-half scramble. Good job a former Claret cleared it off the line.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:38 pm

He does look a bit twitchy. And he's too short.

Get Pope in.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:40 pm

Played his Part tonight. Hero!

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:41 pm

All very well Pickford being a league1 midfielder, but I am more convinced than ever that Pope is the best keeper by far in the England squad. Pickford was tripe in the game at Turf Moor this season, and he was tripe tonight.

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:41 pm

Needs to spend some time with Billy Mercer

Lauren12 · Post by **Lauren12** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:44 pm

Obviously I'm biased as a Claret, but I was surprised at Pickford 'punching' 2 or 3 what appeared to be fairly routine shots (more or less straight at him); as for the goal, defender should have done better, but having said that, I honestly think Pope would've saved it - reached it and tipped it round. Pickford looked a bit 'rabbit in the headlights' tonight, for no apparent reason, wasn't under any great pressure. Pope wont get a look in though, he's just not 'well known enough' if you get my drift.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:46 pm

Did look a bit iffy at times I must say.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:52 pm

The game at the Turf against Everton summed him up perfectly, zero command of the six yard area and weak in every aspect of his game.

Then his unbelievable error of judgement to stay on his line for Ash's goal was almost schoolboy-like.

Nick must despair at not being able to get in this team.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:16 pm

Pickford was getting some stick from the BBC pundits. Dixon says he should have used his right hand and Giggs says he kept palming out instead of punching

Giggs says that Colombia will have spotted this and he will be punished.

Just saying like

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:23 pm

He really has a face you would never tire of twatting!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:29 pm

A keeper who flats about in goal does not give confide ce to his defenders and subsequently, they were all diving in to help too. Liability and his arms are definitely short! Becomes noticeable, once pointed out.

If England are to win the WC....it cannot be with the nervous wreck of a keeper.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:37 pm

Top Claret wrote:Pickford was getting some stick from the BBC pundits. Dixon says he should have used his right hand and Giggs says he kept palming out instead of punching

Giggs says that Colombia will have spotted this and he will be punished.

Just saying like

Dixon and Giggs are on ITV.
Just saying like.

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:08 pm

Wasn't the wrong hand or the correct hand. He went with his stronger hand perhaps.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:12 pm

We all know Pope would've saved the goal - and whats with all the punching away..... 2 friggin hands please

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:14 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:Wasn't the wrong hand or the correct hand. He went with his stronger hand perhaps.

My Everton supporting mate reckons he would normally go with his other arm to make that save.

He let it in deliberately.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:25 pm

Not going to happen but I wouldn’t want to see Pope brought into the team now anyway. The pressure on a keeper brought into a knockout game in a World Cup with just half n hour of international experience would surely be overwhelming. If he got picked and cost us a game it could destroy him.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:08 am

Was it Heaton’s full debut for England against France in a friendly when he pushed one straight back to the striker following in. Wasn’t he also culpable for a Spain goal in a friendly as well.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:32 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Was it Heaton’s full debut for England against France in a friendly when he pushed one straight back to the striker following in. Wasn’t he also culpable for a Spain goal in a friendly as well.

Blasphemy!

staustellclaret · Post by **staustellclaret** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:45 am

Watched it in a bar in trolous skiathos last night and got talking to a rovers fan who said that the best keeper by far is pope

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:54 am

Top Claret wrote:Pickford was getting some stick from the BBC pundits. Dixon says he should have used his right hand and Giggs says he kept palming out instead of punching

Giggs says that Colombia will have spotted this and he will be punished.

Just saying like

How have you not been banned?

Just saying like.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:39 am

Rileybobs wrote:The tournament favourites will be easier for England to break down than Sweden or Switzerland? If you say so.

The style of play (i.e. attacking) may well be. But you are obviously incapable of accepting someone else has a differing view to you.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:40 am

staustellclaret wrote:Watched it in a bar in trolous skiathos last night and got talking to a rovers fan who said that the best keeper by far is pope

Eh? What's a Rovers fan know about anything,did you not deck him?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:41 am

You have to ignore the fact Pickford isn't great on crosses, parries shots back into danger areas and struggles being able to cover the width of his goals because he can dink a ball 40 yards to a full back with 5 yard of space to run into.

Well that is what the know nothing know-alls would have you believe

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:44 am

bf2k wrote:The style of play (i.e. attacking) may well be. But you are obviously incapable of accepting someone else has a differing view to you.

I think you’ve misunderstood me disagreeing with you with me being incapable of accepting your different view.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:00 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Was it Heaton’s full debut for England against France in a friendly when he pushed one straight back to the striker following in. Wasn’t he also culpable for a Spain goal in a friendly as well.

Those were shots from about 5 yards, not from the edge of the box. If I remember rightly.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:03 am

Those pundits at the BBC, and others, may be slagging off Pickford now but he was the unanimous choice of all of them to be the number one goalkeeper at the world cup for England. I don't recall a major disagreement with Gary and Shearer and Danny Murphy putting across the case for Nick Pope. How many times have these pundits watched Pickford on our TV screens? Obviously they never picked up his palming of the ball back into play until last night. Says more about them as pundits than it does about Pickford as a goalkeeper.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:03 am

I was probably most concerned by the 2 occasions on which Pickford failed to claim lose balls in the middle of his goal mouth, leading to scrambles that England were very fortunate to get away with. The two shots he pushed out centrally were also a bit concerning, but plenty of keepers have done that in this competition and so I don't know if the ball might be partially responsible for that - the first shot certainly moved later.

He might have done better with the goal, although its a fine strike and everyone's entitled to their own technique. Pope's is a bit unorthodox in places.

Does his ability with this feet redeem any of this? No of course not. He's in the team not because of his ability with this feet, but because he's rated as being at least as good a keeper with his hands as the other keepers, and his distribution is the added bonus that makes him perceived as the best of the crop.

But - for all that, I don't know if this intense analysis is helpful. Playing for England in a world cup is a pressure cooker. Pickford has had two games where he's been a virtual spectator and he'll probably be better for an evening where he's been thrust into meaningful action, even if it wasn't his finest night.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:20 am

I knew we should have stuck with Joe Hart

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:25 am

dsr wrote:Those were shots from about 5 yards, not from the edge of the box. If I remember rightly.

Also, Heaton isn’t in the squad, what relevance does it have to the discussion?

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:32 am

I agree with Spice. For better or worse hes the no 1. He needed properly testing earlier when bringing in Pope ir Butland. I think he will cost us at least 1 goal kust because his decision making is so poor. Against Panama he came right out and almost git in trouble. And last night his inability tp dominante was spared by some decentt defending.

But we are where we are and we have to stick with him. More useful was confirmation that Dier Jones and Rose are back up at best.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:41 am

BabylonClaret wrote:I agree with Spice. For better or worse hes the no 1. He needed properly testing earlier when bringing in Pope ir Butland. I think he will cost us at least 1 goal kust because his decision making is so poor. Against Panama he came right out and almost git in trouble. And last night his inability tp dominante was spared by some decentt defending.

But we are where we are and we have to stick with him. More useful was confirmation that Dier Jones and Rose are back up at best.

How Jones gets anywhere near that squad is beyond me,perhaps it's who he plays for.

golden · Post by **golden** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:50 am

Steve1956 wrote:He really has a face you would never tire of twatting!

This just cracked me up, unfortunately had a mouthful of cereal at the time and it is now all over my keyboard and monitor.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:32 am

Jones and Dier were worryingly bad.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:08 am

Dier certainly was. Everyone could keep up with Jones.
Pickford ...All his flaws and limitations on show. Very athletic but causes mayhem.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:08 pm

God almighty do people really think Pickford should have saved the goal ?

He actually got a very very good take off lift and made a good stab at it . Not my fav keeper as he’s no better or worse than most top keepers with his feet .Imo he spends too long on the ball before releasing runs with it when pass would do.

Pickford was a child prodigy and always on the FA radar he’s very good though I don’t like his punching .Punching has made a return to the game due to the sheer speed and unpredictability of modern balls , mos club academies don’t let the kids anywhere near a prem ball till u12/13 and even then matches only

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:49 pm

i like pope, but southgate wants to win this tournament too, he must know pope has been on best form prior to world cup, yet he opted to go with pickford.
those tv panels were saying on both channels that pickford was suspect, dixon even said he had phoned a mate at 1/2 time who was a goalkeeper coach and even he said pickford was at fault. and all the others saying how he should have used his other hand, no need to dive like that, no need to shove ball back into danger zones etc.
All a bit harsh in my view, looked a pretty good goal to me.
Maybe southgate has seen a bit of nervousness from pope in training or something, either way, other outfield players last night were borderline useless, not fair to single out the keeper. Dier has been mentioned as one particular dud,

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:55 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:God almighty do people really think Pickford should have saved the goal ? He actually got a very very good take off lift and made a good stab at it . Not my fav keeper as he’s no better or worse than most top keepers with his feet .Imo he spends too long on the ball before releasing runs with it when pass would do.

Pickford was a child prodigy and always on the FA radar he’s very good though I don’t like his punching .Punching has made a return to the game due to the sheer speed and unpredictability of modern balls , mos club academies don’t let the kids anywhere near a prem ball till u12/13 and even then matches only

His attempt to save the shot was nothing short of laughable.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:21 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:You have to ignore the fact Pickford isn't great on crosses, parries shots back into danger areas and struggles being able to cover the width of his goals because he can dink a ball 40 yards to a full back with 5 yard of space to run into.

Well that is what the know nothing know-alls would have you believe

The other flaw in tthis theory is that it isn’t actually true.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:08 pm

David Seaman has been critical of Pickford today, mainly about his technique when parrying shots.
Actually, his general goalkeeping technique reminds me of Paul Robinson.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:50 pm

He's an awful goalkeeper.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:52 pm

Your primary job as a goalkeeper is to stop the ball going past you into the net. Pickford made a decent attempt to make the save and got his fingertips to the ball. Other times he stopped the ball getting past him and pushed the ball away - you can't always get it to go where you want.

That said it just highlights that he's not an ideal build for a keeper

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:18 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Your primary job as a goalkeeper is to stop the ball going past you into the net. Pickford made a decent attempt to make the save and got his fingertips to the ball. Other times he stopped the ball getting past him and pushed the ball away - you can't always get it to go where you want.

That said it just highlights that he's not an ideal build for a keeper

if he's such a clown as many have suggested, can someone explain why southgate has chosen him to play in goal for his country, not to mention his premier league status.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:23 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:if he's such a clown as many have suggested, can someone explain why southgate has chosen him to play in goal for his country, not to mention his premier league status.

Suggestions-
History with the FA
History with Southgate
His club goalkeeping coach is England's goalkeeping coach
Many pundits lauded him despite not having a background in goalkeeping themselves
With Heaton absent - a lack of viable alternatives

But I'm not claiming he's a clown

ClaretCliff · Post by **ClaretCliff** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:16 pm

Comments on Pickford,s attempted save against Belgium from Courtois - "The goalkeeper is 10cm smaller than me. I would have caught it. He was too busy throwing his legs in the air".
Agrees with many on here - too short and too keen on the Hollywood save.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:16 pm

ClaretCliff wrote:Comments on Pickford,s attempted save against Belgium from Courtois - "The goalkeeper is 10cm smaller than me. I would have caught it. He was too busy throwing his legs in the air".
Agrees with many on here - too short and too keen on the Hollywood save.

What he meant was "I wish I'd have thought of doing that in a game we were better off losing".

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:55 pm

Immediately after the match Southgate was asked how he felt. He seemed a little uncertain about some aspects. I think one of those was that it had just dawned on him that Pickford isn't a very good keeper: three mistakes that could have resulted in conceding a goal and not being tall enough/having the reach to save the one that did go in.

Ah well, let's see how we get on against Colombia.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:02 pm

Unpickford is the answer for Mr Southgate. Be brave - made an error of judgement. Remedy it.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:29 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I think you’ve misunderstood me disagreeing with you with me being incapable of accepting your different view.

No I don't think I do