What irritates you most about our style of play?

PenfoldClaret · Post by **PenfoldClaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:22 pm

For me it’s throw ins.
Watching this World Cup almost all teams take quick incisive throw ins.
We invariably hesitate, prat around and then throw the ball down the line only to lose it more often than not.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:43 pm

Nothing.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:44 pm

PenfoldClaret wrote:For me it’s throw ins.
Watching this World Cup almost all teams take quick incisive throw ins.
We invariably hesitate, prat around and then throw the ball down the line only to lose it more often than not.

Either
I wonder how we ever manage to get any points if we even lose the ball more often than not from throw ins.

Or
You are easily irritated.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:47 pm

Ask me again once the World Cup is over.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:49 pm

There hasn't been a lot wrong with our style of play over the past few years has there?

OK, so we're not always a free-flowing attacking side (although we have been at times under Dyche) but which masochist amongst us would forgo the results and the quality of play just to be a little bit easier on the eye?

PenfoldClaret · Post by **PenfoldClaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:58 pm

Agree not a lot wrong and I’m proud of what we’ve achieved. Our standard appriach to throw ins is just something that frustrates me. I get that the full backs should normally take them as part of our game plan, but all too often they are long drawn out and predictable in their execution. All World Cup teams seem to take them quickly with much better impact in my opinion.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:04 pm

Nothing, I genuinely enjoy how well we defend as a team. It’s a part of football as much as attacking.

lrac · Post by **lrac** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:05 pm

PenfoldClaret wrote:Agree not a lot wrong and I’m proud of what we’ve achieved. Our standard appriach to throw ins is just something that frustrates me. I get that the full backs should normally take them as part of our game plan, but all too often they are long drawn out and predictable in their execution. All World Cup teams seem to take them quickly with much better impact in my opinion.

Yes and Harry Kane should be taking the corners . I have a feeling we will do very well

bpgburn · Post by **bpgburn** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:07 pm

The way we keep clean sheets and when we fight back from going behind to draw or win....
...Does my head in that does!!

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:08 pm

The one thing that irritates me most is when a corner doesn't clear the opposition's first man. That's nothing to do with our style of play though and of course isnt something that just applies to us. But it really annoys me when it happens. It probably happened less last season though. Can't say I've noticed anything about throw-ins specific to us. I guess there is sometimes less space in the PL with teams pressing more than international football.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Either
I wonder how we ever manage to get any points if we even lose the ball more often than not from throw ins.

Or
You are easily irritated.

or someone is allowed to express a valid opinion and point without you or someone else jumping on them with some sarcastic comment.

As a club we are punching way above our weight, something as basic as a throw in can make a difference imho. As Dyche says - attention to detail

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:12 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:or someone is allowed to express a valid opinion and point without you or someone else jumping on them with some sarcastic comment.

As a club we are punching way above our weight, something as basic as a throw in can make a difference imho. As Dyche says - attention to detail

And as he posts his opinion then so I can respond. I thought that’s what the board was about.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote:And as he posts his opinion then so I can respond. I thought that’s what the board was about.

Of course, there's a difference between a debate and a sarcastic reply though - which in my opinion is one of the downfalls of here, just my opinion though of course

Why are we so static at throw ins ? I remember the team that had Nogan in was truly woeful at throw ins !!!

lrac · Post by **lrac** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:20 pm

Ok great stuff Tony .but what about the posts you guys delete .I'm sure they are there own opinions.or am I wrong

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:22 pm

lrac wrote:Ok great stuff Tony .but what about the posts you guys delete .I'm sure they are there own opinions.or am I wrong

I don’t think you will find posts are removed because of opinions. In fact they aren’t.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:57 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don’t think you will find posts are removed because of opinions. In fact they aren’t.

We should get king Arthur back, his first throw was a beauty.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:58 pm

Throw ins.

Fannying about, swapping takers and then giving it away. All the while no one looking or arsed to show for the ball.

How many more might we score or chances might we create if we keep the impetus.

We can’t dine out on finishing seventh for ever.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:03 pm

Not a lot to moan about, is there?
A little gripe of mine, and it really is next to nothing is the "inverted winger" thing. I like traditional wing play, but accept it has little place in the modern game, however in my opinion there's little better than watching your winger (Taffy?) tearing the full back a new arsehole

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:06 pm

In my 20 years + of watching Burnley, we have always been dreadful at taking throwins

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:06 pm

It only enabled us to finish 7th in the PL last season, instead of 8th or even higher.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:06 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Not a lot to moan about, is there?
A little gripe of mine, and it really is next to nothing is the "inverted winger" thing. I like traditional wing play, but accept it has little place in the modern game, however in my opinion there's little better than watching your winger (Taffy?) tearing the full back a new arsehole

It's certainly not fashionable now. Our last four managers have preferred the inverted winger more often than not although there were times last season when we did finally switch and get JBG on the left with Lennon on the right.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:07 pm

Sorry meant 6th or higher.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:08 pm

Back passing England style instead of attacking with pace down the wings.Breaking a move up just outside the oppositions box the playing it all the way to Nick to have him hoof the ball back where it was.

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:15 pm

We often forget that we do play good good football ask Everton but the + we have over most other teams is that we have target men we can change our style & use to try & open good teams up or help defend as a team, it’s easy to listen to other managers who try to label us when they have had their pants taken down & arses slapped.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:19 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Sorry meant 6th or higher.

I thought that the first post was better

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:24 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Back passing England style instead of attacking with pace down the wings.Breaking a move up just outside the oppositions box the playing it all the way to Nick to have him hoof the ball back where it was.

We haven't fannied about with it at the back (like England did against Belgium) since Howe left.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:25 pm

Nothing particular about this team but we have played statues at our throw-ins for as long as I can remember. We seem to use them as an opportunity to have a breather

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:30 pm

Not a lot to moan about but throw ins ( Lowton particularly takes ages) and corners which could be much better.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's certainly not fashionable now. Our last four managers have preferred the inverted winger more often than not although there were times last season when we did finally switch and get JBG on the left with Lennon on the right.

I'm a bit old-fashioned, CT, I used to love proper wingers and battering rams of centre forwards.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:47 pm

I sometimes wonder what uptheclarets might have been like had it been around 30 years ago.This thread would have made for good reading in the 80s

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:56 pm

All I see is a bunch of fence sitters scared to express an opinion

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:05 pm

Inverted wingers- it's not just our manager of course. It'll take a brave man to revert against the pack but the one who does will be hailed (no doubt) as s tactical genius.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:All I see is a bunch of fence sitters scared to express an opinion

Nice one KRBFC.

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:27 pm

People complaining even though we've just finished 7th in the top league on England

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:30 pm

Always room for improvement.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:32 pm

Claret Till I Die wrote:People complaining even though we've just finished 7th in the top league on England

Welcome to Up The Clarets.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:45 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I'm a bit old-fashioned, CT, I used to love proper wingers and battering rams of centre forwards.

So did I. I was brought up though on that kind of football.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:45 pm

Another vote for the throw ins thing. It does frustrate me that we can be so static at throw ins, but I understand why it is - we play in a very structured manner and the players have very specific roles, so it makes it relatively easy for opponents to predict how is going to show for it. Its a mild gripe but I'll take it because that structure has underpinned our success.

I don't understand the gripe about inverted wingers. The logic is obvious, and its generally worked for us, and I think the assumption that every winger prefers the side of the pitch which is also his strongest foot is wrong. JBG, for example, prefers the right - he's said as much. I heard Jermaine Jenas explaining why he preferred being on his "wrong" side on 5 Live last week. It gives the player passing options, helps him protect the ball by getting his body between the defender and the ball on his stronger foot, gives him more freedom to roam in his movement so helps him get involved in the game, gives him more opportunity to shoot by coming inside. So lots going for it. It isn't every winger's preference, of course, and Lennon is one who definitely does prefer the right, so if we're going to accommodate him next season then we'll have to adapt a bit.

The other thing I'd love to see us to occasionally, and which frustrated me a touch at times last season, is that our "plan B" was often to go from our fairly rigid 4-5-1 to a more 4-4-2. I'm sure we were working on making our 4-3-3/4-5-1 more flexible at times last season, but occasionally (and especially when chasing the game), I'd love to see us take the handbrake off the wide players and let them bomb on more, with the 3rd midfielder being given more freedom to interchange with/cover for the wide players. It may well be that that is what Dyche has in mind for next season, although the pursuit of Rodriguez suggests if anything, he's tempted to return to a more rigid 4-4-1-1 set up. And its not really a gripe, its more the way I'd personally love to see us evolve into a more flexible, fluid and creative team. But don't get me wrong, I'll happily stick with what we do now if it continues to deliver the results and there's very little to complain about in the way we play now.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:49 pm

Claret Till I Die wrote:People complaining even though we've just finished 7th in the top league on England

And it's the World Cup.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:15 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:...We can’t dine out on finishing seventh for ever.

Unbelievable. The new season hasn’t even started and you’re talking about “dining out on finishing 7th forever”.

How long should we leave it before we start slagging off the club again, then? Because I’d have thought you should be giving it at least one bleeding game.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:20 pm

That our players stiill raise an arm when taking a long corner. Surely we can devise a different signal.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:24 pm

dougcollins wrote:Inverted wingers- it's not just our manager of course. It'll take a brave man to revert against the pack but the one who does will be hailed (no doubt) as s tactical genius.

Guardiola plays traditional wingers stretching the play wide, with the fullbacks instead 'inverting' to provide as an extra body in midfield in his 4-3-3 formation.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:38 pm

Greenmile wrote:Unbelievable. The new season hasn’t even started and you’re talking about “dining out on finishing 7th forever”.

How long should we leave it before we start slagging off the club again, then? Because I’d have thought you should be giving it at least one bleeding game.

Not really. What is unbelievable is that anyone who dares to question anything about BFC is met with “we finished 7th.”

No individual, team or business ever evolved by relying on past glories.

It’s happened here. Though I’m surprised it hasn’t descended into the usual political debate. Yet.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:58 pm

[quote="claretspice"]Another vote for the throw ins thing. It does frustrate me that we can be so static at throw ins, but I understand why it is - we play in a very structured manner and the players have very specific roles, so it makes it relatively easy for opponents to predict how is going to show for it. Its a mild gripe but I'll take it because that structure has underpinned our success.

I don't understand the gripe about inverted wingers. The logic is obvious, and its generally worked for us, and I think the assumption that every winger prefers the side of the pitch which is also his strongest foot is wrong. JBG, for example, prefers the right - he's said as much. I heard Jermaine Jenas explaining why he preferred being on his "wrong" side on 5 Live last week. It gives the player passing options, helps him protect the ball by getting his body between the defender and the ball on his stronger foot, gives him more freedom to roam in his movement so helps him get involved in the game, gives him more opportunity to shoot by coming inside. So lots going for it. It isn't every winger's preference, of course, and Lennon is one who definitely does prefer the right, so if we're going to accommodate him next season then we'll have to adapt a bit.

There you go, Spice, a development in coaching:

Guardiola plays traditional wingers stretching the play wide, with the fullbacks instead 'inverting' to provide as an extra body in midfield in his 4-3-3 formation.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:00 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:Not really. What is unbelievable is that anyone who dares to question anything about BFC is met with “we finished 7th.”

No individual, team or business ever evolved by relying on past glories.

It’s happened here. Though I’m surprised it hasn’t descended into the usual political debate. Yet.

We finished 7th in the Premier League a few weeks ago, for a club that in reality would be overachieving staying in the championship. Here is a thread asking what itrates us as fans.

Jesus wept- this irritating football is beyond my wildest dreams, we are in the PREMIER LEAGUE for 3 seasons in a row. How can anyone fault anything to do with our club?

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KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:00 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:We finished 7th in the Premier League a few weeks ago, for a club that in reality would be overachieving staying in the championship. Here is a thread asking what itrates us as fans.

Jesus wept- this irritating football is beyond my wildest dreams, we are in the PREMIER LEAGUE for 3 seasons in a row. How can anyone fault anything to do with our club?

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Overachieving staying in the Championship? Do you really believe that? is that because we aren't a City club with a huge catchment area? utter bllocks, some fans have absolutely no expectation or hope at all. Just because we have been successful it doesn't mean everything is perfect, there is ALWAYS things that can be done better, even if you're Pep Guardiola. Stop sitting on the fence, along for the ride type because it's so fake, you say ''in reality we would be overachieving staying in the Championship'' but guess what, the reality is we're currently a PL club, wake up, grab your nut sack and stop acting like a mouse.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:50 am

ClaretEngineer wrote:Not really. What is unbelievable is that anyone who dares to question anything about BFC is met with “we finished 7th.”

No individual, team or business ever evolved by relying on past glories.

It’s happened here. Though I’m surprised it hasn’t descended into the usual political debate. Yet.

We’re just supporters though (well, some of us are). We are fully entitled to rely on past glories. I’m pretty sure SD and the team won’t be doing.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:03 am

ClaretTony wrote:I don’t think you will find posts are removed because of opinions. In fact they aren’t.

Unless I diss a certain Hungarian goal keeper, in which case all posts are removed, and likely this one

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:09 am

The only thing that annoys me at times is we lack a real flair player who can beat two or three men at once. Someone in the ilk of little or Blake. The reason for this is those types of players cost 50 million plus in the premier league so not much that can be done about it

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:23 am

Thought this was about England. The thing that irritates me about our style of play (Burnley) is that since 1987 apart from a few hiccups say from 1995-1998 and then BK appeared, we have been on the up. Cotts gets slammed for keeping us in the Championship with no money post ITV Digital, OC for leaving after we got promoted (he left in a most awful way) Laws left with us about 7th in Championship, Eddie brought in Ings, Austin,Shackell, Grant, Tripps, Mee, Stanislas. Were it not for the fact that I bleed claret (blue when deprived of oxygen) we really have been served a bag of s**t for the last 31 years haven"t we?