Trump destroys Mays soft Brexit..

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:40 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:When people on one side of the campaign are saying it'll be easy and quick to negotiate a trade deal with the US, why can't the US correct them? If someone's lying about you you're well within your rights to set things straight.

If the leave campaign didn't like Obama correcting them then perhaps they shouldn't have brought the US into the argument?

Hi IT, when was the Brexit referendum? when was Obama's term in office scheduled to end? I'm pretty sure a "well advised" president would have stayed silent.

"If someone's lying about you you're well within your rights to set things straight." I'm not sure that that is the right way to think of international politics - even though it is obviously the way that many behave on "social" media.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:48 am

Paul Waine wrote:Hi IT, when was the Brexit referendum? when was Obama's term in office scheduled to end? I'm pretty sure a "well advised" president would have stayed silent.

"If someone's lying about you you're well within your rights to set things straight." I'm not sure that that is the right way to think of international politics - even though it is obviously the way that many behave on "social" media.

Why? If Remain had said it'd have been impossible to get a trade deal with the US I've got no doubt those leave voters who whined would have been delighted to see Obama step in and correct those Remain campaigners.

The only reason anyone could want Obama to have not corrected the lies told about a trade deal with his country is because those lies were helping them, which is a pretty shitty reason to want to allow lies to spread. I've no respect for anyone who is OK with lies being used and then upset when they are corrected, no matter who's doing the correcting.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:49 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:This really can't be pointed out often enough. Good luck in getting an answer, though.

Just like we never got an answer from the remainers last week when it came out that Cameron had asked Obama to lie about us being at the back of the queue for a trade deal.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:50 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:There's not really much that Trump does that doesn't advance Russian interests, so is it any real surprise that he'd come out with this?

The EU matters more to us right now. Trump will be gone soon, but the EU will remain long after he's served his last day as Putin's US president.

Why would an arch capitalist like Trump do anything for Russia at all? Why do you think he is advancing Russian interests. Given that, theoretically, Trump could be around as president for another 7 years or so why do you assume that the EU will be around after he is gone? It is currently looking increasingly shaky and I can see it's demise at some point.

Just wondering.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:52 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Just like we never got an answer from the remainers last week when it came out that Cameron had asked Obama to lie about us being at the back of the queue for a trade deal.

He did what? Source?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:53 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Just like we never got an answer from the remainers last week when it came out that Cameron had asked Obama to lie about us being at the back of the queue for a trade deal.

Seems like it’s not a lie after all!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:22 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:He did what? Source?

It was all over twitter last week someone from within the whitehouse.

I put it up on one of the other threads about Brexit but it just got ignored.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:31 am

martin_p wrote:Seems like it’s not a lie after all!

Obama's comment wasn't exactly a lie, because it was meaningless - he was talking about something that he would have no influence over. I could promise that the USA will be back of the queue when it comes to a trade deal with Britain, if I wanted to; but as I have no power over negotiations, it would be meaningless.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:34 am

scouseclaret wrote:Funny. When Obama gave his backing to Remain during the referendum campaign, the Brexiters cried foul about a foreign leader interfering with UK domestic affairs.

How come it’s suddenly OK?

Vice Versa

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:35 am

Imploding Turtle wrote: Good point, well made.

Shoe other foot

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:58 am

Trump talks more balls then Stanley Mathews.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:59 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:It was all over twitter last week someone from within the whitehouse.

I put it up on one of the other threads about Brexit but it just got ignored.

Oh. I see. So you made up that it was a lie. Got it.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:03 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Vice Versa

Its not quite Vice Versa because you lot proactively moaned when Obama got involved whereas this thread wasn't started by a remainer moaning about Trump it was you lot lauding him for sticking it to May and getting involved

All the remainers did was call out your hypocrisy which led into a discussion. Had the thread been started by a remaining moaning about Trump then you'd have had a point but as usual you dont

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:04 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Oh. I see. So you made up that it was a lie. Got it.

You keep living in your bubble.

If you didn't see that with all the political forums you go on then I will plait sawdust.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:05 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:You keep living in your bubble.

If you didn't see that with all the political forums you go on then I will plait sawdust.

I googled it and found that you made it up that Cameron asked him to lie.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:08 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I googled it and found that you made it up that Cameron asked him to lie.

It's my interpretation that if somebody asks you to tell the world something that is not true they're asking you to lie.

Am I wrong?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:21 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:It's my interpretation that if somebody asks you to tell the world something that is not true they're asking you to lie.

Am I wrong?

What factual piece of evidence shows that the statement was untrue?

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:38 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Its not quite Vice Versa because you lot proactively moaned when Obama got involved whereas this thread wasn't started by a remainer moaning about Trump it was you lot lauding him for sticking it to May and getting involved

All the remainers did was call out your hypocrisy which led into a discussion. Had the thread been started by a remaining moaning about Trump then you'd have had a point but as usual you dont

" as usual you don't" , so cutting, wipes away the tears....

There's a conveniently ignored reality here, that I accept, in that Trump stating that us being, remaining even, within partial EU control on trade, limits our flexibility on trade deals with the rest of the World.

Actual Reality
Being in the EU Trump would not offer us preferential Trade deals, partially removed from The EU Trump would not offer us preferential Trade deals and being completely out of the EU a no deal even Trump would not offer us preferential Trade deals.

However Trump has that power if it was mutually beneficial for him to do so.

Obama s statement was quite simply a soundbite.

Trump we should take note of, Love him or loathe him, to be aware of the help and harm he could cause us.
Obama was of no consequence and was never true to his convictions, he just served his time and kept his nose clean, ineffectual and insincere, although the latter was by weakness not design.

Obama was of no consequence at the time he interfered on request.

Trump we should not ignore.

Oh IMO

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:38 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What factual piece of evidence shows that the statement was untrue?

Where's your factual piece of evidence to say it was true?

Out of the 195 countries in the world you think were last?

Give me strength.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:42 pm

Well, we have a choice

A free trade deal with one nation that we already do a vast amount of our trade with and the current situation we have with the US.

Or a free trade with the US with a entirely brand new WTO deal with the EU*

*which our economy has been geared towards for forty odd years

One isn't as good as it is now

Second one is even worse

Trump wants us to completely split from the EU so he can use us to put even more pressure on the EU over the coming trade war.

Either way, we ******* lose and its very hard to take anyone seriously who can't see this.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:45 pm

Alien Vs Predator: Whichever Wins, We Lose.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Where's your factual piece of evidence to say it was true?

Out of the 195 countries in the world you think were last?

Give me strength.

You made the claim that it was a lie. The burden of proof is on you to back up your statement. If you can't do that then you should stop talking ****.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You made the claim that it was a lie. The burden of proof is on you to back up your statement. If you can't do that then you should stop talking ****.

I'm just about to cross the road, but there's a car coming that I can see with my own eyes.

But there's not a factual piece of paper in this world that states there's a car coming.

Should I cross?

Or should I believe my own eyes?

It's great being back in the schoolyard with Turtle.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I'm just about to cross the road, but there's a car coming that I can see with my own eyes.

But there's not a factual piece of paper in this world that states there's a car coming.

Should I cross?

Or should I believe my own eyes?

It's great being back in the schoolyard with Turtle.

So what did you ‘see with your own eyes’ that made you believe Obama was lying?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He did what? Source?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... l-request/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... a-12836776" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-pers ... g-11423669" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you left the Turtle Bunker you'd have been up to speed you idiot

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:20 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I'm just about to cross the road, but there's a car coming that I can see with my own eyes.

But there's not a factual piece of paper in this world that states there's a car coming.

Should I cross?

Or should I believe my own eyes?

It's great being back in the schoolyard with Turtle.

That's an impressively dumb analogy.
All i'm asking is for you to show me something factual that has led you to conclude that Obama lied. You made a statement, all i'm doing is asking you to back it up. If you think that is like being "back in the schoolyard" then you're the person with the problem, not me.

If you can't support statements of fact that you make with evidence then perhaps you shouldn't me making those statements as if they're facts. This is the problem with political discourse. The problem isn't that I value facts, it's that you apparently don't.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:21 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He did what? Source?

"Obama adviser on how Cameron asked for Brexit warning"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-446885 ... it-warning" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Confirmed: Cameron did ask Obama to say Brexit Britain would be ‘back of the queue’

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/c ... the-queue/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:23 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He did what? Source?

Cameron 'asked Obama to say UK would be back of the queue', according to former adviser

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-ma ... 4284610834" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.westmonster.com/cameron-ask ... r-adviser/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER! ARE YOU LISTENING IN THERE!!!!??? LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!!

HitchinClaret · Post by **HitchinClaret** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:26 pm

Trump destroys Mays soft Brexit..

I was sort of hoping this was a saucy euphemism

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:27 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... l-request/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... a-12836776" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-pers ... g-11423669" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you left the Turtle Bunker you'd have been up to speed you idiot

Not only do neither of those show that Obama was lying, but two of them are either plagiarised from the same source, without accreditation, or one copied from the other.

Christopher Hope, Telegraph wrote:There was intense speculation at the time that the remark may have been scripted by Number 10, because the expression “back of the queue" is rarely used by Americans, who tend to prefer the phrase "back of the line".

Mikey Smith & Andrew Woodcock, The Mirror wrote:But there was intense speculation at the time that the remark may have been scripted by Number 10, because the word "queue" is rarely used by Americans, who tend to prefer the phrase "back of the line".

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He did what? Source?

David Cameron told President Obama to say Brexit Britain would go to the ‘back of the queue’

https://m.facebook.com/WestmonsterUK/po ... 0928296770" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... %80%98back" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GET SOME FRESH AIR!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!THERE WILL BE TRAINED PROFESSIONALS ON HAND TO HELP YOU!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!!! YOUR FAMILY ARE BEING KEPT UP TO DATE!!!!! UNLIKE YOU!!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:30 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:"Obama adviser on how Cameron asked for Brexit warning"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-446885 ... it-warning" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Confirmed: Cameron did ask Obama to say Brexit Britain would be ‘back of the queue’

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/c ... the-queue/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney wrote:Cameron 'asked Obama to say UK would be back of the queue', according to former adviser

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-ma ... 4284610834" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.westmonster.com/cameron-ask ... r-adviser/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER! ARE YOU LISTENING IN THERE!!!!??? LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!!

RingoMcCartney wrote:David Cameron told President Obama to say Brexit Britain would go to the ‘back of the queue’

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... %80%98back" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://m.facebook.com/WestmonsterUK/po ... 0928296770" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GET SOME FRESH AIR!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!THERE WILL BE TRAINED PROFESSIONALS ON HAND TO HELP YOU!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!!! YOUR FAMILY ARE BEING KEPT UP TO DATE!!!!! UNLIKE YOU!!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!!!

RingoMcCartney wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcr4today/s ... 7541236736

As reported on BBC radio4!!!!!

IMPLODING TURTLES HEAD- IF EVIDENCE WERE EVER NEEDED THAT YOU'RE A CRAZED BUNKER DWELLING LONER IT'S THIS!!!!!!

WHAT A GOLD PLATED WEAPONS GRADE IDIOT!!!

I'm still waiting on evidence of Obama lying about it.
I mean you can keep linking news stories that don't provide that evidence if you like, but you'll only be wasting your own time.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He did what? Source?

David Cameron told President Obama to say Brexit Britain would go to the ‘back of the queue’

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... %80%98back" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://m.facebook.com/WestmonsterUK/po ... 0928296770" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GET SOME FRESH AIR!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!THERE WILL BE TRAINED PROFESSIONALS ON HAND TO HELP YOU!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!!! YOUR FAMILY ARE BEING KEPT UP TO DATE!!!!! UNLIKE YOU!!!!! LEAVE THE TURTLE BUNKER!!!!!!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:34 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He did what? Source?

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcr4today/s ... 7541236736" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As reported on BBC radio4!!!!!

IMPLODING TURTLES HEAD- IF EVIDENCE WERE EVER NEEDED THAT YOU'RE A CRAZED BUNKER DWELLING LONER IT'S THIS!!!!!!

WHAT A GOLD PLATED WEAPONS GRADE IDIOT!!!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:38 pm

The reason you could tell that Obama was not telling the truth was that he couldn't have any power to make it true. He could say "I will do everything in my power to put Britain to the back of the queue" and be telling the absolute truth; but as his term as President was coming to an end half a year later, his power would be non-existent. He could equally well have said "Britain will have a snowy winter" for all the difference he could make.

What he did do was mislead. He said that Britain would be at the back of the queue as if he meant it; some people may have believed what he said was relevant. Which was the point, of course - he wanted people to vote Remain so he made promises he could not possibly keep. Hard to believe of a remain campaigner

, but there we are.

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:43 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Really the only two things Trump has done from that like is withdraw from TPP, recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital for no good reason, and appoint Gorsuch to the bench which isn't even an achievement.

Wanna take another swing?

"Wanna take another swing?" He asks nonchalantly while failing to count to 3.

Bravo.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:43 pm

dsr wrote:The reason you could tell that Obama was not telling the truth was that he couldn't have any power to make it true. He could say "I will do everything in my power to put Britain to the back of the queue" and be telling the absolute truth; but as his term as President was coming to an end half a year later, his power would be non-existent. He could equally well have said "Britain will have a snowy winter" for all the difference he could make.

What he did do was mislead. He said that Britain would be at the back of the queue as if he meant it; some people may have believed what he said was relevant. Which was the point, of course - he wanted people to vote Remain so he made promises he could not possibly keep. Hard to believe of a remain campaigner , but there we are.

So you're saying that Obama was predicting that the UK would go to the back of the queue. So he wasn't lying. Or was I lying when i predicted England would beat Croatia? Is that how predictions work now? If you're wrong, you're lying?

I get that you really want to call Remainers liars all the time, because it's the best way to shut down our argument that the Leave campaign was based on lies if you can say the other side were just as bad, but at some point we actually have to apply logic and the actual definition of words. And when we do that we know that making a prediction is not the same as lying. Seriously. Look it up in a dictionary.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:44 pm

LongsideFacingUp wrote:"Wanna take another swing?" He asks nonchalantly while failing to count to 3.

Bravo.

Is that the best you can do? Criticise my ability to count?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you're saying that Obama was predicting that the UK would go to the back of the queue. So he wasn't lying. Or was I lying when i predicted England would beat Croatia? Is that how predictions work now? If you're wrong, you're lying?

I get that you really want to call Remainers liars all the time, because it's the best way to shut down our argument that the Leave campaign was based on lies if you can say the other side were just as bad, but at some point we actually have to apply logic and the actual definition of words. And when we do that we know that making a prediction is not the same as lying. Seriously. Look it up in a dictionary.

It's not all that fine a point, but it's clearly too fine for you. Most of us can tell the difference between predictions and promises; if you can't, I really can't be bothered trying to explain because I know you won't try and understand.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:47 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcr4today/s ... 7541236736

As reported on BBC radio4!!!!!

IMPLODING TURTLES HEAD- IF EVIDENCE WERE EVER NEEDED THAT YOU'RE A CRAZED BUNKER DWELLING LONER IT'S THIS!!!!!!

WHAT A GOLD PLATED WEAPONS GRADE IDIOT!!!

Again Wrongo, your grasp on the English language let’s you down. The articles you link say that the Obama ‘back of the line’ comment was made by Obama in Brexit discussions with Cameron. Cameron asked him to repeat this in public (and maybe anglicise the language). He did not ask him to lie. In fact the Mirror article you link even stresses that Obama thought it to be true.

Asked him to repeat in public

Asked him to lie

The first is true, the second isn’t.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:51 pm

martin_p wrote:Again Wrongo, your grasp on the English language let’s you down. The articles you link say that the Obama ‘back of the line’ comment was made by Obama in Brexit discussions with Cameron. Cameron asked him to repeat this in public (and maybe anglicise the language). He did not ask him to lie. In fact the Mirror article you link even stresses that Obama thought it to be true.

Asked him to repeat in public

Asked him to lie

The first is true, the second isn’t.

Desperate absolutely desperate!!!!!!

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:53 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:You missed the part about putting little kids in cages.

As IT has already pointed out, most of Trump's achievements were just continuations of Obama's fine work.

Don't worry though, he's already signed an executive order to stop the separation of illegal immigrant families at the border.

You can pop that on to his list of achievements.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:53 pm

dsr wrote:It's not all that fine a point, but it's clearly too fine for you. Most of us can tell the difference between predictions and promises; if you can't, I really can't be bothered trying to explain because I know you won't try and understand.

Apply logic, for ***** sake. You said yourself that he's not going to be in power by the time Brexit happened, so how the **** can he be making a promise?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:54 pm

martin_p wrote:Again Wrongo, your grasp on the English language let’s you down. The articles you link say that the Obama ‘back of the line’ comment was made by Obama in Brexit discussions with Cameron. Cameron asked him to repeat this in public (and maybe anglicise the language). He did not ask him to lie. In fact the Mirror article you link even stresses that Obama thought it to be true.

Asked him to repeat in public

Asked him to lie

The first is true, the second isn’t.

Asking someone to say something in public that isn't true to influence people is a lie in my world.

It might not be in yours fair enough.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:56 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Asking someone to say something in public that isn't true to influence people is a lie in my world.

It might not be in yours fair enough.

Where is your evidence that it isn't true? You keep making this claim so back it up.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Where is your evidence that it isn't true?

Maybe he should have had a paper recording the minutes of the meeting his officials decided we would be 194th in line for a trade deal?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:58 pm

martin_p wrote:Again Wrongo, your grasp on the English language let’s you down. The articles you link say that the Obama ‘back of the line’ comment was made by Obama in Brexit discussions with Cameron. Cameron asked him to repeat this in public (and maybe anglicise the language). He did not ask him to lie. In fact the Mirror article you link even stresses that Obama thought it to be true.

Asked him to repeat in public

Asked him to lie

The first is true, the second isn’t.

You couldn't make it up!

One idiot trying, but failing, to back up another idiot!

Where did you clowns first meet?

Idiotsreunited.com!?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:00 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Maybe he should have had a paper recording the minutes of the meeting his officials decided we would be 194th in line for a trade deal?

You think the US is currently negotiating trade deals with 193 countries that it currently doesn't have trade deals with? I know i'm asking a stupid question here, but can you support that opinion with anything resembling evidence?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:01 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:" as usual you don't" , so cutting, wipes away the tears....

There's a conveniently ignored reality here, that I accept, in that Trump stating that us being, remaining even, within partial EU control on trade, limits our flexibility on trade deals with the rest of the World.

Actual Reality
Being in the EU Trump would not offer us preferential Trade deals, partially removed from The EU Trump would not offer us preferential Trade deals and being completely out of the EU a no deal even Trump would not offer us preferential Trade deals.

However Trump has that power if it was mutually beneficial for him to do so.

Obama s statement was quite simply a soundbite.

Trump we should take note of, Love him or loathe him, to be aware of the help and harm he could cause us.
Obama was of no consequence and was never true to his convictions, he just served his time and kept his nose clean, ineffectual and insincere, although the latter was by weakness not design.

Obama was of no consequence at the time he interfered on request.

Trump we should not ignore.

Oh IMO

Wow, you've gone off on one about something I wasn't even discussing.

My only point was challenging your Vice Versa statement. I haven't got into the merits of who said what and who should be ignored and who shouldn't. I just pointed out it was you lot who moaned about Obama getting involved and then you lot who were ecstatic about Trump getting involved.

This is just hypocrisy where the remoaners were consistent in that they didn't cry about Obama getting involved and they didn't cry about Trump getting involved.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:04 pm

Trumps visit has sent turtle bonkers. I am amazed you haven't gone and had a picture taken with the blimp.