Investment needed

[cricketfieldclarets]

Looking at the prices muted £30m's for players relegated to championship its ludicrous to spend money like that.

Ngolo kante cost leicester 5m
Nemanja matic (first time out) cost chelsea 1.5m
Riyad Mahrez cost Leicester 500k
Eriksen cost spurs 11m

Etc etc

Some of europes top talent cost less than Chris Wood between them.

So it would be more frugal for us to invest in the people and infrastructure to start scouting overseas. Especially Europe and even Africa.

What would it cost to employ someone in a scouting capacity? 50k a year? Plus expenses at double or treble that tops?

Probably less than a million a season all in for a good few scouts able to cover europe and africa between them.

Maybe even set up soccer schools? Would be great publicity, good for the local areas and also give us first opportunity on talent in those areas.

[blackburnturfite]

No doubt if Mike Garlick, and Sean Dyche read your post, they may take your advice on board.

[cricketfieldclarets]

No doubt if Mike Garlick, and Sean Dyche read your post, they may take your advice on board.

Hopefully.

[Braindead]

Im not sure it's scouting thats the issue. I would imagine several players a week are recommended to Dyche by scouts and various other contacts, and probably a good percentage will play their football in another country.
I think that unless a player is deemed by Dyche to be a good fit to the ethos of the 'group' then they will not get a look in. There are bargains to be found abroad clearly, but our aversion to wasting money on players who are relatively unknown because of the smaller budget we have is frustrating, yet understandable.
The reason i understand our pragmatism is because we are literally shopping in a different store to pretty much everybody else in our league who have billionaire owners ready to offer huge contracts and transfer fees, so we have to be more frugal and cautious.
As always though we should judge the transfer window when it closes.

[bartons baggage]

Looking at the prices muted £30m's for players relegated to championship its ludicrous to spend money like that.

Ngolo kante cost leicester 5m
Nemanja matic (first time out) cost chelsea 1.5m
Riyad Mahrez cost Leicester 500k
Eriksen cost spurs 11m

Etc etc

Some of europes top talent cost less than Chris Wood between them.

So it would be more frugal for us to invest in the people and infrastructure to start scouting overseas. Especially Europe and even Africa.

What would it cost to employ someone in a scouting capacity? 50k a year? Plus expenses at double or treble that tops?

Probably less than a million a season all in for a good few scouts able to cover europe and africa between them.

Maybe even set up soccer schools? Would be great publicity, good for the local areas and also give us first opportunity on talent in those areas.

I agree were tinpot when it comes to attracting forun talent.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Im not sure it's scouting thats the issue. I would imagine several players a week are recommended to Dyche by scouts and various other contacts, and probably a good percentage will play their football in another country.
I think that unless a player is deemed by Dyche to be a good fit to the ethos of the 'group' then they will not get a look in. There are bargains to be found abroad clearly, but our aversion to wasting money on players who are relatively unknown because of the smaller budget we have is frustrating, yet understandable.
The reason i understand our pragmatism is because we are literally shopping in a different store to pretty much everybody else in our league who have billionaire owners ready to offer huge contracts and transfer fees, so we have to be more frugal and cautious.
As always though we should judge the transfer window when it closes.

But thats where having local scouts or even academies would overcome that.

[Spike]

I agree were tinpot when it comes to attracting forun talent.

We finished Seventh and are in the Europa League! Give your head a wobble !

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Mooted is the word isn't it?

As for cheap foreign players, they're few and far between that become top stars with massive sell on fees compared to those that aren't much better than British players.

Plenty of clubs don't need to worry about taking a financial gamble on a whether or not a foreign lad works out or not.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Mooted is the word isn't it?

Probably. I never was good at french.

[bartons baggage]

We finished Seventh and are in the Europa League! Give your head a wobble !

We shudda finished top 4 no balls our bored of directers.

[Diesel]

We(ve) got Defour for buttons, remember?

Technically one of the best players currently playing in the Premier league.

[andyh]

We need to buy more lottery tickets. I heard of one guy winning millions. That could have been us if we had just put the same numbers on. It lacks foresight, 20,000 lottery tickets is only the same as a reserve centre half and if. It comes up we will be quids in.

[cricketfieldclarets]

We(ve) got Defour for buttons, remember?

Technically one of the best players currently playing in the Premier league.

Perfect argument for why we should continue to look at that market.

The way we do it currently means for every defour we will get a vossen.

[watsonsclarets]

With Wyscout and Scout7 and other Analytic tools it harder to find the Kante and other cheap players before others so yes they have been around a long time but only recently has the proper data been looked at.


Not only do you have to worry about the player being a good egg you already know they have been looked at by similar clubs to us and whilst every agent and his dog will follow the money the trick picking between the bones is a very tough one.

There no algorithm left to check really the world of football is very well mapped and policed by the big and good.

The real secret behind Dyche is the "fit" he gets players playing for him in our system and long may that continue.

At Macclesfield the other night I heard a bloke telling all who would listen how poor Clucas was and he not fit to play for our side. I should have asked the bloke how many times has he seen Clucas.

My theory will not change Dyche has got us to where we are, if he buys a player we have to back it and let us be honest he got the best out of quite a few players who have limitations and moved us forward.

Dyche tends to go for universal footballers, not specialist which serves the way we play and the very notion we are punching above our money constrictions to finish 7th.


He will have an overseas database but like many have said the databases don't tell you if there a good egg will they fit are they right for the club can they adapt.

We only got Defour because others had worries about his injuries and general fitness.

[bartons baggage]

With Wyscout and Scout7 and other Analytic tools it harder to find the Kante and other cheap players before others so yes they have been around a long time but only recently has the proper data been looked at.


Not only do you have to worry about the player being a good egg you already know they have been looked at by similar clubs to us and whilst every agent and his dog will follow the money the trick picking between the bones is a very tough one.

There no algorithm left to check really the world of football is very well mapped and policed by the big and good.

The real secret behind Dyche is the "fit" he gets players playing for him in our system and long may that continue.

At Macclesfield the other night I heard a bloke telling all who would listen how poor Clucas was and he not fit to play for our side. I should have asked the bloke how many times has he seen Clucas.

My theory will not change Dyche has got us to where we are, if he buys a player we have to back it and let us be honest he got the best out of quite a few players who have limitations and moved us forward.

Dyche tends to go for universal footballers, not specialist which serves the way we play and the very notion we are punching above our money constrictions to finish 7th.


He will have an overseas database but like many have said the databases don't tell you if there a good egg will they fit are they right for the club can they adapt.

We only got Defour because others had worries about his injuries and general fitness.

You have no place on this forum,due to the fact you actually sound like you know what your'e on about.

[claret59]

There is no comparison with the what players cost just a couple of years ago with the asking prices now. The 'bargains' spoken of are just not there as both players and Clubs in Europe and beyond have come to realise that the PL is awash with money and ridiculous and wages and transfer fees are now commonplace for players best described as average.
It is a myth that there is a long line of talent in Europe and beyond just waiting to be discovered for next-to-nothing fees.
We sold Trippier for 3.5 million . (Yes , I know it was in his contract, but we would probably not have got much more at the time he was sold,) He is being touted now at £50. million just a couple of years later. The same is with all the payers mentioned as 'bargains' in the opening post.

[tiger76]

With Wyscout and Scout7 and other Analytic tools it harder to find the Kante and other cheap players before others so yes they have been around a long time but only recently has the proper data been looked at.


Not only do you have to worry about the player being a good egg you already know they have been looked at by similar clubs to us and whilst every agent and his dog will follow the money the trick picking between the bones is a very tough one.

There no algorithm left to check really the world of football is very well mapped and policed by the big and good.

The real secret behind Dyche is the "fit" he gets players playing for him in our system and long may that continue.

At Macclesfield the other night I heard a bloke telling all who would listen how poor Clucas was and he not fit to play for our side. I should have asked the bloke how many times has he seen Clucas.

My theory will not change Dyche has got us to where we are, if he buys a player we have to back it and let us be honest he got the best out of quite a few players who have limitations and moved us forward.

Dyche tends to go for universal footballers, not specialist which serves the way we play and the very notion we are punching above our money constrictions to finish 7th.


He will have an overseas database but like many have said the databases don't tell you if there a good egg will they fit are they right for the club can they adapt.

We only got Defour because others had worries about his injuries and general fitness.

We have avoided some pitfalls with overseas players Kamil Grosicki notably,Sean looks at the framework and how that will be supported rather then any individual ability,sometimes fans will find this approach frustrating,but by and large the benefits outweigh any misgivings we may have.

[IanMcL]

England has been winning the young player tournaments, lately. Plenty of talent in the wings.

[BOYSIE31]

We(ve) got Defour for buttons, remember?

Technically one of the best players currently playing in the Premier league.

If you can get him on the pitch

[cricketfieldclarets]

There is no comparison with the what players cost just a couple of years ago with the asking prices now. The 'bargains' spoken of are just not there as both players and Clubs in Europe and beyond have come to realise that the PL is awash with money and ridiculous and wages and transfer fees are now commonplace for players best described as average.
It is a myth that there is a long line of talent in Europe and beyond just waiting to be discovered for next-to-nothing fees.
We sold Trippier for 3.5 million . (Yes , I know it was in his contract, but we would probably not have got much more at the time he was sold,) He is being touted now at £50. million just a couple of years later. The same is with all the payers mentioned as 'bargains' in the opening post.

Thats just not true. The british market always has been over inflated. That includes buying and selling.

Sure prices have gone up overseas. But pound for pound in terms of quality vs value its always more expensive for average players in this country vs overseas AND for young prospects / diamonds. The next kante would still cost a fraction of a (example) Barkley or rodwell or even drinkwater.

Players even in the top leagues in italy, france (psg aside) , spain (the top two aside) and germany will not only cost less in transfer fees but will also be paid signiifcantly less too.

Taking Serie A as an example.

The top three strikers in that league:

Gonzalo higuain is on 100k a week.
Mauro Icardi is on 55k a week.
Ciro Immobile until mid way through last season was on 15k a week.

For balance Saido Beharino is on 70k a week.

[cricketfieldclarets]

To put it in context. When we got relegated in 2015 we got more in prize money than Barcelona did last season for winning la liga. Now that doesnt mean we are wealthier than barcelona. Bit what it means is if Barcelona are only getting 15m for winning the league clubs even of the size of valencia, sevilla, athletic bilbao earn nothing compared to us. So we can easily compete with most clubs in europe when it comes to buying young talent either directly from them or the markets theyre targetting.

Add to the fact we have a small squad and a massive shop window its an area we definitely need to focus.

Either that or we can spend a huge portion of our budget on middle of the road british players. Thats served us very well so far of course. But thats when we havent been overspending. Weve been buying hard working, hungry players with potential to sell on.

30m on Dawson and Rodriguez is nonsensical really. Its too easy to get caught up in the current market. Hopefully we dont.