Celtic drop to Europa League

Real ale 2 · Post by **Real ale 2** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:19 pm

Celtic drop to the Europa league after their loss to AEK Athens they must now negotiate a qualifier if they are to progress to the group stage ..

rishtonclaret · Post by **rishtonclaret** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:37 pm

Their Europa qualifier is now an easy one though against a Lithuanian or Latvian team. IF we get through to group stage we have had a far tougher draw in all three qualifying rounds.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:43 pm

It’s bullsh*t them getting another Hanse to play in Europe, and also getting an easier passage.

The competitions should be separate.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:52 pm

It will never happen for many reasons,but i'd go back to a straight KO format for all the European competitions.

Well it will be great to see Burnley in the Europa League group stage touch wood,you always feel these group games are a warm-up for the main event.

As for Celtic they should progress to the groups,don't know if they'll go any further though,

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:56 pm

Hope they don't come down here.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:05 pm

Let’s hope they get knocked out early and get banished to the north of Hadrian’s great idea for the rest of the season.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:06 pm

If we played them again which I hope we don't I think the town of Burnley would be out on a revenge mission unparalleled in our history.
I despise them.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:14 pm

I watched tonight and I hope we get them, 6 points in the bag.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:19 am

bfcjg wrote:If we played them again which I hope we don't I think the town of Burnley would be out on a revenge mission unparalleled in our history.
I despise them.

Most of the boys who could give as good as they got that night are now in their 50's and 60's..I very much doubt they would be up for revenge.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:31 am

Lack of real competition on a weekly basis really can't help.
I wouldn't be surprised if a pre-season of SD training wouldn't finish some of their players off!

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:58 am

Celtic arent all that. The old firm fans have for many a year believed their own hype.

That current Celtic squad would be hanging on in the championship no question about it.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:23 am

It made me laugh when I saw they were 2 nil down last night. Their fans were all over Twitter and various messageboards (BBC for example) after our games vs Aberdeen. Apparently we were awful and they'd hammer us over two legs. It's amazing how quickly karma works sometimes. A defeat to Hearts (from a Kyle Lafferty goal might I add) and a humbling by AEK Athens over two legs has shut them up a little. It's just a shame they've got a gimme to the Europa group stage.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:54 am

Standard of football is poor throughout Europe bar the English Premier league and the championship.

You can throw a handful of Spanish and German clubs in but their leagues are not has competitive has ours.

These clubs due to the poor standards of the weekly opposition can set up there teams for the champions league, this gives them an unfair advantage over the English clubs who play at the highest level week in week out

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:56 am

Claretforever wrote:It’s bullsh*t them getting another Hanse to play in Europe, and also getting an easier passage.

The competitions should be separate.

Why?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:57 am

So we may get the chance to beat them and send them homeward tay think again about the gulf in class between our leagues

Jeremy_Bentham · Post by **Jeremy_Bentham** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:09 am

Top Claret wrote:Standard of football is poor throughout Europe bar the English Premier league and the championship.

. scoffs at this moronic statement.

Culvert_for_one · Post by **Culvert_for_one** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:29 am

Top Claret wrote:Standard of football is poor throughout Europe bar the English Premier league and the championship.

You can throw a handful of Spanish and German clubs in but their leagues are not has competitive has ours.

These clubs due to the poor standards of the weekly opposition can set up there teams for the champions league, this gives them an unfair advantage over the English clubs who play at the highest level week in week out

Completely agree mate, always had this argument with friends, whilst i do agree Ronaldo and Messi are the best in the world and possibly the greatest ever they would not score as many as they do in la liga as proven by Ronaldo best season in the premier league getting 31 where as he has continually got over 31 and sometimes over 40 in la liga.

You have your main 3 or 4 teams from Germany, Spain, Italy and more recently France who, would of course compete in the premier league, but other than that the standard around these domestic leagues is championship standard at best

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:34 am

Top Claret wrote:Standard of football is poor throughout Europe bar the English Premier league and the championship.

You can throw a handful of Spanish and German clubs in but their leagues are not has competitive has ours.

These clubs due to the poor standards of the weekly opposition can set up there teams for the champions league, this gives them an unfair advantage over the English clubs who play at the highest level week in week out

What??? Now that is ethnocentrism of the highest order. Do you HONESTLY believe that the PL is so much better than, say, Germany or even Spain and Italy? You really have swallowed all the hype haven't you? The PL is more competitive? Try telling that to anyone outside of City, United, Arsenal or Chelsea because apart from the two anomalies of Leicester (surprise) and Rovers (investment of unbelievable amounts of money never seen up until that time) they are the only teams who have EVER won it in it's entire current form history.
I will say I agree with you about the Championship, no second tier in the world (apart from possibly Germany and even then it IS behind) comes close in terms of quality and support.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:36 am

Culvert_for_one wrote:Completely agree mate, always had this argument with friends, whilst i do agree Ronaldo and Messi are the best in the world and possibly the greatest ever they would not score as many as they do in la liga as proven by Ronaldo best season in the premier league getting 31 where as he has continually got over 31 and sometimes over 40 in la liga.

You have your main 3 or 4 teams from Germany, Spain, Italy and more recently France who, would of course compete in the premier league, but other than that the standard around these domestic leagues is championship standard at best

I wouldn't go boasting too much about our "English" premier league as it's dominated by overseas players and managers. There is not a lot English about it, even the difficult muddy pitches have disappeared.

Culvert_for_one · Post by **Culvert_for_one** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:45 am

Funkydrummer wrote:I wouldn't go boasting too much about our "English" premier league as it's dominated by overseas players and managers. There is not a lot English about it, even the difficult muddy pitches have disappeared.

No argument there my friend

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:59 am

Funkydrummer wrote:I wouldn't go boasting too much about our "English" premier league as it's dominated by overseas players and managers. There is not a lot English about it, even the difficult muddy pitches have disappeared.

That is exactly why the English leagues are the best because we are bolstered with foreign players. Mix these foreigners with the British competitiveness and never say die attitudes, makes our Premier league and championship the best leagues in the world.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:15 am

celtic would be a tough game for us; like aberdeen did, they'll raise their game against the big boys.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:21 am

I wouldn't say that we've been bolstered by overseas players and managers, more like we've been taken over tbh.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:47 am

just been listening to irate celtic fans bleating about how big a club they are, but they were going on about highest attendances and huge followings, not got much to say about decent results on their travels or at home against europeans.
They are deluded, genuinely blinkered .
1967 was a long time ago, and even then they got to enter it every sodding season , so the law of averages suggests they had to come good once at least.
useless team.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:36 pm

Dazzler wrote:Most of the boys who could give as good as they got that night are now in their 50's and 60's..I very much doubt they would be up for revenge.

I was on and have never forgiven them. I would quite happily hit one who was looking for trouble with my zimmer frame.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:49 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:celtic would be a tough game for us; like aberdeen did, they'll raise their game against the big boys.

Celtic wouldn’t have been able to live with us on our last performance.

They have 2 quality players and the rest are bang average. Scottish teams are all hustle and bustle and little else.

We never turned up against Aberdeen and we always had an element of control. They needed a penalty and a worldy to score remember.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:56 pm

I thought Aberdeen were far better than I thought they would have been. It is hard to gauge with it being so early. Doing it week in week out in the PL is something else and Celtic would struggle in my opinion.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:38 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Why?

They got the chance to play in the Champions League and failed. They shouldn’t get a second chance of European success in another competition.

Of course I know why UEFA do it; TV money. It’s the sole reason why they changed the format to the Europa League, because they were only in control of TV revenue from the quarter finals onwards in the old format. Now it’s from the League stage, which includes more games, and he supposed bigger teams from the Champions League bring the revenue.

I get why, but I don’t agree with it.

Saying that I preferred the knockout format, rather than the League stages, of both competitions.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:47 pm

Claretforever wrote:They got the chance to play in the Champions League and failed. They shouldn’t get a second chance of European success in another competition.

Of course I know why UEFA do it; TV money. It’s the sole reason why they changed the format to the Europa League, because they were only in control of TV revenue from the quarter finals onwards in the old format. Now it’s from the League stage, which includes more games, and he supposed bigger teams from the Champions League bring the revenue.

I get why, but I don’t agree with it.

Saying that I preferred the knockout format, rather than the League stages, of both competitions.

So i'm wondering, would you support the Football Association implementing a rule that says if you get relegated from the Premier League then they kick you out of the entire league? Because all that's happened to Celtic is that they've been relegated to a lower, less prestigious competition.

What do you think should happen to Burnley if we get relegated this season?

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So i'm wondering, would you support the Football Association implementing a rule that says if you get relegated from the Premier League then they kick you out of the entire league? Because all that's happened to Celtic is that they've been relegated to a lower, less prestigious competition.

What do you think should happen to Burnley if we get relegated this season?

You’re directly comparing league and knockout football competitions?

You must be on a wind up.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:02 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:You’re directly comparing league and knockout football competitions?

You must be on a wind up.

Relegation is relegation. Why can't it happen in knockout competitions?

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Relegation is relegation. Why can't it happen in knockout competitions?

Because it’s daft. The two formats are entirely different and where do you draw the line?

Best of 5 like the NBA?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:16 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Because it’s daft. The two formats are entirely different and where do you draw the line?

I don't know why format should have anything to do with it. I don't see how it's any more daft than actually having a second tier of European competition, or of having the FA Cup winners position in the Europa League assigned to a position in the league.

It makes more sense to me to allow failed Champions League sides a shot at the Europa League than to have the Europa League in the first place. To not allow them a shot would be like punishing them for their league success by putting them into a competition they're not good enough for.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:39 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So i'm wondering, would you support the Football Association implementing a rule that says if you get relegated from the Premier League then they kick you out of the entire league? Because all that's happened to Celtic is that they've been relegated to a lower, less prestigious competition.

What do you think should happen to Burnley if we get relegated this season?

You’re trying to compare a cup competition to a League? Get away with yourself.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:43 pm

Claretforever wrote:You’re trying to compare a cup competition to a League? Get away with yourself.

Well, they're both called the Europa and Champion's League. So...

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:52 pm

I dread to think what might happen if we played them again

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:27 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Well, they're both called the Europa and Champion's League. So...

And? Still a cup competition and a League competition. The former is just a group stage that they’ve tried to format and market to ensure larger TV income.

You knew that though.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:27 pm

joey13 wrote:I dread to think what might happen if we played them again

Most of their fans have no idea about the ASC.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:17 pm

Claretforever wrote:Most of their fans have no idea about the ASC.

I doubt that will matter much to the numbskulls

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:03 pm

Claretforever wrote:And? Still a cup competition and a League competition. The former is just a group stage that they’ve tried to format and market to ensure larger TV income.

You knew that though.

If it wasn't for promotion as a result of winning a cup competition Burnley almost certainly wouldn't be in the Europa League this season. In fact we probably wouldn't be in either of the top two divisions.

So, if getting promoted to a higher league as a result of winning a cup competition is OK then why is it not OK to be relegated from a cup competition to another, lesser competition? Who made the rule that promotion and relegation can only ever happen in league formats?

I'm more than prepared to change my mind if you can provide a logic-based reason why relegation shouldn't be allowed from one cup competition to another. But just saying "cos it's a cup competition" does nothing.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:If it wasn't for promotion as a result of winning a cup competition Burnley almost certainly wouldn't be in the Europa League this season. In fact we probably wouldn't be in either of the top two divisions.

So, if getting promoted to a higher league as a result of winning a cup competition is OK then why is it not OK to be relegated from a cup competition to another, lesser competition? Who made the rule that promotion and relegation can only ever happen in league formats?

I'm more than prepared to change my mind if you can provide a logic-based reason why relegation shouldn't be allowed from one cup competition to another. But just saying "cos it's a cup competition" does nothing.

Good god, you’re a boring ****.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:16 pm

Bertiebeehead wrote:Good god, you’re a boring ****.

You took time out of your evening to post that.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You took time out of your evening to post that.

Yes, you bore me that much I felt I should at least acknowledge it.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:If it wasn't for promotion as a result of winning a cup competition Burnley almost certainly wouldn't be in the Europa League this season. In fact we probably wouldn't be in either of the top two divisions.

So, if getting promoted to a higher league as a result of winning a cup competition is OK then why is it not OK to be relegated from a cup competition to another, lesser competition? Who made the rule that promotion and relegation can only ever happen in league formats?

I'm more than prepared to change my mind if you can provide a logic-based reason why relegation shouldn't be allowed from one cup competition to another. But just saying "cos it's a cup competition" does nothing.

Hahaha. You actually think anybody is bothered what you think. Seriously? It’s an opinion and everybody has one. Sort yourself out!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:49 pm

Claretforever wrote:Hahaha. You actually think anybody is bothered what you think. Seriously? It’s an opinion and everybody has one. Sort yourself out!

So why were you arguing?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:17 pm

What a bizarre thing to try and argue in favour of, why teams are right to get a second crack at a European cup competition when they failed at their first attempt

They only get a 2nd go for financial reasons, let's not kid ourselves that it's fair or for other reasons.

Same with only certain league's getting 4 teams into the CL each season, it's all about money and keeping certain clubs happy.

Despite winning their league Celtic have to play X amount of qualifying games to reach the CL proper whilst the 2nd and 3rd placed teams in England don't...
Champions league my arse.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:03 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm more than prepared to change my mind if you can provide a logic-based reason why relegation shouldn't be allowed from one cup competition to another. But just saying "cos it's a cup competition" does nothing.

Relegation in the league means that when one season has finished, you rearrange the teams before starting a new season. You aren't interrupting something that's already up and running.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:18 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:
I'm more than prepared to change my mind

I haven't seen you change your mind once yet.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:21 am

This looks like another thread about to be ruined with agenda driven pap. The glass is half full though. I'm looking forward to saying ethnocentrism tomorrow to find out who headbutts me first

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:04 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So why were you arguing?

I wasn’t arguing. You asked me to justify my view, which I did. It didn’t mean I was trying to get you to change your mind. I don’t care whether you have a different opinion or not, although you tend to have a different opinion to almost everybody on this group just for the sake of it.