Ward ROI

[Murger]

Since Taylor joined Burnley:

Stephen Ward. Played 31. Wins 14. Win percentage 45%

Charlie Taylor. Played 15. Wins 1. Win percentage less than 7%

FACT

Are you Wards lovechild or something? You are fairly dismissive of anyone's opinions regarding him.

[bumba]

We have won 1 league game with Taylor in the team against Stoke last season and he played just over half a game.

15 prem appearances. 1 win

So it's taylors fault for the other ten players an Dyches tactics?

[MRG]

Using a similar stat, when playing in a league game, from the last 10 games that Ward has been involved in, we have won just 1 game. FACT

This goes to give further weight to the FACT that Wards legs have gone and he is no longer capable of a performance at this level

[MRG]

Actually, using Hibsclarets own facts we could potentially blame the demise of our results exclusively down to the fact that Ward’s legs have gone.

As you highlighted, when Ward is in the team and produces a performance Burnley win, your facts prove that. Then, in my opinion, his legs go toward the end of last season (although you disagree with this) and suddenly his amazing win ratio drops to 1 win in 10 league games.

[Hibsclaret]

Wait how many have I caught?

That’s at least 3 clown fish......

[Hibsclaret]

Actually, using Hibsclarets own facts we could potentially blame the demise of our results exclusively down to the fact that Ward’s legs have gone.

As you highlighted, when Ward is in the team and produces a performance Burnley win, your facts prove that. Then, in my opinion, his legs go toward the end of last season (although you disagree with this) and suddenly his amazing win ratio drops to 1 win in 10 league games.

So even 1 in 10 is better than 1 in 15 (with the 1 being a team now in the championship).

[Hibsclaret]

So it's taylors fault for the other ten players an Dyches tactics?

When he plays we don’t win. Fact

[MRG]

So even 1 in 10 is better than 1 in 15 (with the 1 being a team now in the championship).

Yet worse than 45% right? Hence proving the point that I’m making?


And this post sums up why you are finding this so difficult to understand. This isn’t a popularity contest between Ward and Taylor this thread is simply highlighting that Ward isn’t a patch on the player that we saw at the start of last season and the stats confirm this

[Hibsclaret]

Go back to sleep ffs.

Ward is the reason for all our current woes. Let’s just leave it there ffs.

He is the only left back we have that we can actually win games with so why not just get behind him and the team ffs.

[MRG]

Go back to sleep ffs.

Ward is the reason for all our current woes. Let’s just leave it there ffs.

He is the only left back we have that we can actually win games with so why not just get behind him and the team ffs.

Yet we are only winning 1 in 10 with him at the moment which is a marked drop from the stats before his legs went!

I am getting behind our current first choice left back. He is far from perfect but appears to be the best of what we have to choose from and the player Dyche trusts

[Hibsclaret]

Troll

[MRG]

Troll

Haha

Troll = ok, you win


Enjoy your day Hibs

[MDWat]

Tottenham didn’t win in the first 25 games Bale playedcin or something. Give it a rest, hibsclaret

[Hibsclaret]

Tottenham didn’t win in the first 25 games Bale playedcin or something. Give it a rest, hibsclaret

What did Tottenham win with Bale after the first 25 games?

Give it a rest eh.

Wtf does that have to do with anything ffs?

Another clueless troll. They are stacking up. It’s like Troll jenga

It’s not like Bale was the finished article in the first 25 games....really

[joey13]

What did Tottenham win with Bale after the first 25 games?

Give it a rest eh.

Wtf does that have to do with anything ffs?

Another clueless troll. They are stacking up. It’s like Troll jenga

It’s not like Bale was the finished article in the first 25 games....really

Trolling a troll

[Tribesmen]

Read this morning that Wardy returned to the Club as he has a foot injury .
That's what is said on RTE , other than that not sure .

[piston broke]

I was surprised he stayed on after he kicked the studs on the Welsh guys boot whilst clearing.
15 years ago that would have been broken metatarsals and 2 months out.

[bumba]

When he plays we don’t win. Fact

So far this season when we play 90 minutes we don't win as a team. Fact

Blame Taylor though

[MRG]

So far this season when we play 90 minutes we don't win as a team. Fact

Blame Taylor though

What about the back end of last season?

[bumba]

What about the back end of last season?

We didn't win the last 5 of those either.

In all seriousness since beating Stoke on the 12th December we've only managed 5 victories, it's not Taylors fault

[Hibsclaret]

We didn't win the last 5 of those either.

In all seriousness since beating Stoke on the 12th December we've only managed 5 victories, it's not Taylors fault

Thx Charlie.

When you have played in the prem we have won 1 game against Stoke.

I’m not suggesting anything is Taylor’s fault, merely factually pointing out that our team does not win with him in it.

The 5 wins towards the end of last season were when Ward magically reappeared in the team.

[MRG]

As we have already confirmed, we have had 1 win in the last 10 league games that Ward has played in

[Hibsclaret]

As we have already confirmed, we have had 1 win in the last 10 league games that Ward has played in

Correct.

Including Arsenal, Chelsea and the last game of season dead rubber.

We have won once with Taylor in the team. Full stop.

We may have already confirmed this.....

[Steve1956]

Makes a change from Hendrick getting all the stick,is Ward the new scapegoat now?

[bumba]

Thx Charlie.

When you have played in the prem we have won 1 game against Stoke.

I’m not suggesting anything is Taylor’s fault, merely factually pointing out that our team does not win with him in it.

The 5 wins towards the end of last season were when Ward magically reappeared in the team.

Wasn't it Gareth Bale at Spurs who went on a long losing streak when he first signed?
Bet Spurs fans were glad they kept playing him tho weren't they.
The reasons were losing is Dyche

[SirAlec]

Whether Wards legs have gone or not this is still the perfect opportunity for Taylor to seize his chance as first choice left back, let's hope he can step up

[ecc]

Is it not possible to "discuss" things on here without insulting one another?

[AlargeClaret]

“ the reason we’re losing is Dyche”

The reason we’re losing is that our players ( and I love em all) are by en large a bunch of aging decent championship and very low end premier league journeyman who just cannot be expected to over exceed in a league which has again improved accross the board .This is only accentuated by missing our 2 best players .

You can make a silk purse out of a sows ear but if anyone can wring every last drop out of a player it’s SD and long may he reign !

[AlargeClaret]

“Can’t”**

[bumba]

“ the reason we’re losing is Dyche”

The reason we’re losing is that our players ( and I love em all) are by en large a bunch of aging decent championship and very low end premier league journeyman who just cannot be expected to over exceed in a league which has again improved accross the board .This is only accentuated by missing our 2 best players .

You can make a silk purse out of a sows ear but if anyone can wring every last drop out of a player it’s SD and long may he reign !

I cannot think of one ageing championship player we've signed?
But more to the point you've highlighted me saying it's down to Dyche but then you've blamed the players which weirdly Dyche signed

[Blackrod]

Ward has plenty of credit in the bank for him not to be just written off by some after a few poor games. I can't remember a run of good games by Taylor yet.

[Stayingup]

As per my initial post, I acknowledge the sudden decline. He literally looks half the player that he was last season!

So does Ben New playing alongside him.
Mind you so does half the team.

A win at Wolves and we'll be back in the groove.

[Stayingup]

Ward has plenty of credit in the bank for him not to be just written off by some after a few poor games. I can't remember a run of good games by Taylor yet.

That's probably because Taylor hasn't really had a run of games.

[MRG]

So does Ben New playing alongside him.
Mind you so does half the team.

A win at Wolves and we'll be back in the groove.

I just can’t see it. Ward has had his day at this level

[taio]

I can understand calls for Taylor ahead of Ward because he's done well but Ward is the better player. Been a brilliant player for us and still is.