Trump/Russia Dossier

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:41 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:The Trump administration are innocent it's just BS..

I think you're not even joking. There really are some people who think it's all just a witch hunt.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:43 pm

It is...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:48 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:It is...

Manafort, the "innocent" one is pleading guilty. This is after he's already been found guilty on 8 other federal charges. Add it to all the other guilty pleas that these supposedly innocent people are making.

Answer this, why would these innocent people all be pleading guilty?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:53 pm

Witches pleaded guilty with a pitch fork hovering over their heads !! maybe it was the same 2 Russians we have seen on the tv this week they have been hiding out all this time in the US after fixing the voting machines then headed to the UK with 2 water pistols filled with Novichok...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:56 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Witches pleaded guilty with a pitch fork hovering over their heads !! maybe it was the same 2 Russians we have seen on the tv this week they have been hiding out all this time in the US after fixing the voting machines then headed to the UK with 2 water pistols filled with Novichok...

I think we can group you over there with BlueLab.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:02 pm

Steady turtle the second bit was satire...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:07 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Steady turtle the second bit was satire...

hmm. fair enough. It was kinda funny but i didn't know you meant it to be.

But i honestly don't understand how when faced with the mountain of evidence that some people still believe the guy who lies dozens of times per day when he claims it's all a witch hunt. The guy's corrupt to his core.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:16 pm

Statement from the White House -

"Once again an investigation has concluded with a plea having nothing to do with President Trump or the Trump campaign. The reason: the President did nothing wrong and Paul Manafort will tell the truth."

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:12 am

Wow, the NY Times have well and truly ****** up tonight

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/p ... dment.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump has to take this opportunity to fire Rosenstein and all hell will kick loose.

NBC's reporting on it:
""Well, what do you want me to do, Andy, wear a wire?" Rosenstein asked at the meeting, which also included FBI lawyer Lisa Page and four career DOJ officials, according to the senior official. One of the career civil servants was Scott Schools, who would later go on to sign off on the firing of McCabe, the official said.

This official and a source who was in the room characterized Rosenstein's remark as sarcastic."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... es-n911981" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit: Holy ****, even Sean Hannity is warning the President not to fire Rosenstein over this. I'm on the same side as Hannity on something. I feel nauseated by the thought.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:24 am

I think this thread needs a new title

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:27 am

Yup, aaany day now...

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:27 am

Not long till Christmas....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:29 am

Damo wrote:I think this thread needs a new title

Funny, but unfair. Unless you're referring to how facts seemingly bounce off certain people.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:15 pm

Kavanaugh accuser currently testifying.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:00 pm

Spijed wrote:Kavanaugh accuser currently testifying.

Only one of them though. They won't let anyone one else testify, including witnesses. And the cowards who get to decide this hired a lawyer to question her because they were so scared of doing it themselves.

If i was American i'd be ashamed that these people are my representatives.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:31 pm

Somehow this is all the Clinton's fault. He says it's "revenge by the Clintons"

Your guess is as good as mine as to how he managed to drag them into it.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:27 pm

It's over. What a complete and utter disgrace this hearing has been. Kauvanagh has destroyed them.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:33 pm

Dunno about that.

He's shown that if you shout a lot when you are a white middle age man in America you kinda get what you want.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:36 pm

https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/statu ... 5309372417" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Safe to say that not a lot of people behind him believe him

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:40 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:It's over. What a complete and utter disgrace this hearing has been. Kauvanagh has destroyed them.

You have more credibility that this guy who has lied under oath to get the job he's got today. That should say a lot about him.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:43 pm

The Republicans keep going back to how long it took for these allegations to be presented to the committee after they were made as if that is an argument in favour of appointing him. They're genuinely arguing that it's OK for him to be an attempted rapist because the Democrats played a bit of politics in waiting until the hearings to present the allegations. Think about that.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:37 am

A top campaign aide of Trump's (Rick Gates: already convicted) requested online manipulation plans from an Israeli Intelligence company.
But sure, Trump is innocent of everything. Right?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/us/p ... trump.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:00 pm

If he's completely innocent then why this?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ce=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:19 pm

Remember the name Jacob Wohl, because he's in an awful lot of trouble

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justic ... on-n926301" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:31 pm

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:42 pm

Aww c'mon Smudge. Even you have got to appreciate just how hilariously incompetent these criminals are.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:00 pm

Oh boy!

https://hillreporter.com/special-counse ... ault-12207" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We decided to investigate this matter to see who could be behind this apparent hoax. First, we reached out to a phone number that this woman gave us. After calling the number, we promptly received what we viewed as a threatening text message back, which read, “You’re in over your head…. Drop this”. The message included the home addresses of two of our editors, including myself.

Then out of nowhere, we received a phone call from another number originating from the same area code, of a man who claimed to be Mike Wilcox of a company called ‘Surefire Intelligence’. He again threatened us, telling us to “stop communicating with” the woman who had contacted us previously. (Both phone numbers have since been disconnected).

Read the rest of the article, including the updates. It's hilarious. They used a photo of Christoph Waltz as a profile pic of an "employee".

Edit: And the date they were going to use to accuse Mueller of rape just happens to be the same date that he was on jury duty over 200 miles away

Their incompetence is so funny, i can't stop laughing.

Edit #2: I have settled down to the occasional chuckle now.

Edit #3: apparently if you want to hear everything about the latest lefty conspiracy you just need to head down to your local hipster coffee shop.

Full-on belly laughing now. Where's Smudge? I want his take on this.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:54 pm

Must watch.....funny, entertaining, embarrassing:

Aaron Maté destroys Luke Daniel Harding, a British journalist who is a foreign correspondent for The Guardian.

Where's the 'Collusion'?

"Amid news the Mueller probe could extend through 2018, Guardian reporter Luke Harding and TRNN's Aaron Maté discuss Russiagate and Harding's new book "Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... Ikf1uZli4g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Recommended for a log fire and not for reading:

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:59 pm

Big fan of book burning, aren't you BlueLab?

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:05 am

Watch the video Imploding Turtle, and then pass a comment.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:10 am

bluelabrador16 wrote:Watch the video Imploding Turtle, and then pass a comment.

Lol. No. I've watched enough videos of yours to know i'd be wasting my time, while giving support to crazy, conspiracist youtubers.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:19 am

Jack Riddler, a very clever and sussed New Yorker:

"Aaron Maté, admirable son of an admirable father."

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=41315" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What you scared of Imploding Turtle?

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:04 pm

With Just Days to the Midterms, Russiagate Is MIA

And that’s a good thing.

Aaron Maté

"The upcoming midterms are widely seen as a referendum on Donald Trump’s presidency, but its defining issue to date is notably MIA. “Campaign ads and debates are mostly avoiding the Russia investigation,” Politico reports, “in favor of other issues important to voters…like the economy, health care and taxes.” One study of political ads over a four-week period through mid-October found that 0.1 percent of ads aired in congressional races mentioned Russia; there were zero mentions of Russia in ads for Senate races.

On one level, it is unsurprising that the election has been focused on issues that impact voters’ lives, rather than the byzantine bureaucratic drama that has consumed Washington and elite media since Trump’s election. But after months of fearmongering about a sweeping Russian interference effort and a compromised, complicit president, perhaps we are also seeing the penny start to drop: Russiagate, for all its hype, has not gone as advertised.

Take the supposed Russian threat to the midterms. For months, intelligence officials and prominent media outlets have bombarded us with warnings about “a pervasive messaging campaign by Russia to try to weaken and divide the United States” (Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats), a threat so dire that we might as well dub the vote the “The Moscow Midterms” (FiveThirtyEight) and acknowledge that “we’re defenseless against Russian sabotage in the midterm elections,” (Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin). The New York Times informed readers in July that Coats had likened “the persistent danger of Russian cyberattacks today…to the warnings the United States had of stepped-up terror threats ahead of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.” “The warning lights are blinking red again,” he said.....

....Adviser John Bolton, who, as I warned in The Nation in April, sees the Russiagate moment as “a not-to-be-missed opportunity” to advance a hawkish neoconservative agenda, including the dismantling of arms-control treaties that he began under George W. Bush....

..Ever since the 2016 election, the figureheads of Trump’s political and media opposition have invested in a supposition that Trump is in cahoots with Russia and encouraged him to be confrontational as a means of disproving it. They have de-incentivized and disempowered themselves to stand up to Trump when he confronts Russia in one of the most reckless ways that he could. For all the dire warnings about Russian trolls and hackers over the past two years, it is those sounding the alarms who have fueled a much worse threat."

https://www.thenation.com/article/russi ... erference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Comments:

JR...So good. So unlikely to make the difference. But so good. Depressing too, given the correct assessment of the consequences: escalated New Cold War, new nuclear arms race -- and he doesn't mention it, but total distraction from the actual reasons for the 2016 result, the disastrous domestic election manipulation and the brute force of money in politics.

Caleb...Two years wasted--two years during which Trump was able to broadcast his message with almost no meaningful resistance from the mainstream Democrats. This byzantine, remote and dubious tale of Russian interference had almost zero resonance with the voters, and rightly so....

Clark...All that time wasted, dumbing down the electorate with scare tactics; diverting precious energy from the many real issues that are real threats.

Robert...Thank you, Mr. Maté, for this sensible assessment of the situation. Corporate media still cannot admit it missed the anti-establishment writing on the wall, and $hillarists still cannot admit they fielded (by force) a wretched candidate. The "left" has lost valuable time seeking to blame Russia for Trump's election and continuing to fail to acknowledge the reasons it did lose in 2016.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote: Read the rest of the article, including the updates. It's hilarious. They used a photo of Christoph Waltz as a profile pic of an "employee".

I liked the bit where the alternative number on the answer phone turned out to be his mum.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:12 pm

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows why you don't run an election campaign by telling voters that their vote doesn't matter because the election is rigged anyway. Dems need everyone to go and vote, you have to be a special kind of moron to expect them to say things that will depress turnout.

Of course Russia are hacking the election. That's a no brainer after they got away with it two years ago and have been all but invited to do it again by republican refusal to do anything at all to prevent it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:12 pm

aggi wrote:I liked the bit where the alternative number on the answer phone turned out to be his mum.

I'm still chuckling at that.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:19 pm

Must watch.....funny, entertaining, embarrassing:

Aaron Maté destroys Luke Daniel Harding, a British journalist who is a foreign correspondent for The Guardian.

Where's the 'Collusion'?

"Amid news the Mueller probe could extend through 2018, Guardian reporter Luke Harding and TRNN's Aaron Maté discuss Russiagate and Harding's new book "Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... Ikf1uZli4g

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:27 pm

You linked that already mate. Spamming it isn't going to get people to watch it.

Why don't you provide an excerpt of when Maté "destroys" Harding? Quote him. Instead of making people watch a half-hour youtube video give us a reason to believe you are just full of ****, as you are every other time you post.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:42 pm

IT, 21 months after you started this thread you havn't got a few minutes to gauge for yourself whether the video by Aaron Maté is worth watching. I can only say that is your loss and, I hope that some of the many people who visit this site are not so blinkered.

Must watch.....funny, entertaining, embarrassing:

Aaron Maté destroys Luke Daniel Harding, a British journalist who is a foreign correspondent for The Guardian.

Where's the 'Collusion'?

"Amid news the Mueller probe could extend through 2018, Guardian reporter Luke Harding and TRNN's Aaron Maté discuss Russiagate and Harding's new book "Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... Ikf1uZli4g

Background

Aaron Matéwas born and raised in Vancouver, Canada, Aaron comes to Democracy Now! after a two-year stint as an independent journalist and as a researcher for the author and journalist Naomi Klein. Through his work as a journalist and activist, he has had the opportunity to visit the Occupied Territories, Haiti, and South Africa. His writings have appeared in publications including the Toronto Star, the Globe and Mail, and the Guardian of London. Aaron received his B.A. in Communication Studies from Concordia University in Montreal. He is a regular contributor to the Montreal/San Francisco-based magazine Warrior.

Aaron Maté is a host/producer for The Real News and a contributor to the Nation. He has previously reported and produced for Democracy Now!, Vice, and Al Jazeera, and written for the Toronto Star, the Intercept, and Le Monde Diplomatique.

"More proof of collusion with Netanyahu than Putin."

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:43 am

It's possible that Nigel Farage has been upgraded from "person of interest" to "actively being investigated".

non-journalistic source https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1058007548203331585" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:01 am

Trump's latest utterance is that he wants U.S. troops to shoot to kill if the migrants coming through Mexico try to storm the border by throwing rocks. Visions of that famous scene in "Gandhi" come to mind. I wonder if the commander of the army units is already making considerations for handling the wounded. For his sake, I hope he has. Then again, maybe Trump watches a re-run of "The Longest Day" last night. Maybe he expects them to storm across the Rio Grande in landing craft.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:20 am

ontario claret wrote:Trump's latest utterance is that he wants U.S. troops to shoot to kill if the migrants coming through Mexico try to storm the border by throwing rocks. Visions of that famous scene in "Gandhi" come to mind. I wonder if the commander of the army units is already making considerations for handling the wounded. For his sake, I hope he has. Then again, maybe Trump watches a re-run of "The Longest Day" last night. Maybe he expects them to storm across the Rio Grande in landing craft.

That's the kinda thing he's been leading up to for two years. It's gonna happen sooner or later that someone will slaughter a mass of people and Trump will provide excuses for them. He's almost done it with this synagogue shooter. He hasn't directly excused him, but he has repeated the exact same argument that the shooter used as justification - that Soros is funding a migrant invasion.

This is just for midterms. Imagine what he'll do to get re-elected.

He also put out a racist advert blaming Democrats for the murder of police officers by an immigrant he says the Democrats allowed into the US. The facts are actually that he was deported under Clinton and returned under Bush. But that doesn't matter to Trump. Also, this is the guy we're all supposed to believe when he says he wants the country to "unify". Calling press and Democrats the enemy, and blaming Democrats for the murders of police officers is not compatible with a desire to unify the country. So it should be obvious that he is lying through his teeth with his calls for unity.

I'm convinced this guy wants violence. That's the only rationale for him saying and doing the things he says and does.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:06 pm

Who knows what goes through Trump's brain, other than the fact that he's the greatest human being to ever walk the Earth. I don't know why he even has advisers on his staff. He just does and says anything he wants to and his "base" goes right along with it. Like he once said, "I could shoot somebody in the street tomorrow, and nobody would care." Look for this to happen sometime this week as he seeks to improve Republican polling number.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:36 pm

In Canada, there was once a book published called "Two Solitudes". It was about the great divide between the French and the English. The same thing applies today in the U.S. today, only it's between uneducated whites, and the remainder of the population. The American education system is so bad, that it defies description. They don't want to pay their teachers anything because that would raise taxes. Americans are the least taxed people in the western world, and are so proud of it. Even those (especially those) living in the worst conditions are proud of it. They are all so afraid of taxes, yet don't realize the benefits of a progressive tax system. One Republican running for Congress in the district just south of Buffalo is even claiming that by electing his Democratic opponent that taxes will increase by $18,000. Defying the fact that half his constituents don't even make $18,000, and that universal health care wouldn't cost nearly that much (it's what he's really talking about), the mere fact that he's allowed to make such a statement unchallenged is truly mind blowing.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:02 am

Turtles your house of cards is getting very unsteady..
https://www.infowars.com/watch-live-kav ... ills-kids/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:22 am

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Turtles your house of cards is getting very unsteady..
https://www.infowars.com/watch-live-kav ... ills-kids/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lol. What? You linked Infowars and then claim someone else has a house of cards?

The fact that Grassley wants the liar investigated makes it more telling that he's not referring Ford for criminal investigation. (Hint: It's because Ford wasn't lying.)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:00 am

In actual Russia investigation news: In April a guy called Noel Francisco received a presidential waiver that allows him to not be subject to ethics rules (such as massive and obvious conflicts of interest). Francisco is the Solicitor General at the Justice Dept. and if Trump fires Rosenstein then Francisco is who becomes responsible for overseeing the Russia investigation.
Francisco is also a partner as a law firm called Jones Day, and that law firm is the firm that is defending Trump in all matters related to the Russia investigation

When Trump does his Saturday Night Massacre I can't wait to see how his fans defend this clear and obvious corruption of justice.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:16 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:In actual Russia investigation news: In April a guy called Noel Francisco received a presidential waiver that allows him to not be subject to ethics rules (such as massive and obvious conflicts of interest). Francisco is the Solicitor General at the Justice Dept. and if Trump fires Rosenstein then Francisco is who becomes responsible for overseeing the Russia investigation.
Francisco is also a partner as a law firm called Jones Day, and that law firm is the firm that is defending Trump in all matters related to the Russia investigation

When Trump does his Saturday Night Massacre I can't wait to see how his fans defend this clear and obvious corruption of justice.

Saturday night massacre? your eyes are bleeding in anticipation of people getting slaughtered is there no limit to what you lot will see as point scoring ..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:21 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Saturday night massacre? your eyes are bleeding in anticipation of people getting slaughtered is there no limit to what you lot will see as point scoring ..

I've no doubt you actually thought it was a reference to violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I've no doubt you actually thought it was a reference to violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry I assumed you meant the up and coming clash at the border...
I can't help feeling something bad is going to happen between now and Tuesday its mental it really is..