If there was a general election tomorrow would you still vote labour?

[Wisswosswass]

Scary....but not as scary as Johnson & Trump!:)

I'll give you that. Not taking sides but if I was to pick two leaders from either of the main parties. Hillary Benn and Rees-Mogg. Benn is very underrated and very articulate. Think he'd make a cracking leader for Labour. Likewise for the opposing party. Rees-Mogg, for all his seemingly aloof attitudes is not as 'out of touch' as people think. I'm a traditional Tory voter but would consider Labour under Benn. His version of socialism falls in line with mine. I like to think of myself as a socialist Tory (there is such a thing) in that there is a lot to be said for socialism if applied in the correct way.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Yes.

[Steve1956]

Is Neil Kinnock still around,i think even he could win an election against May.

[RocketLawnChair]

I would vote for whichever party vowed to ban politics from football messageboards in its manifesto.

[Wisswosswass]

Is Neil Kinnock still around,i think even he could win an election against May.

Hell! Even I fancy my chances of winning

[Steve1956]

Hell! Even I fancy my chances of winning

[South West Claret.]

I hate Corbyn whos systematically alienating Labour voters with his Islington intellectual nonsense
Totally out of touch with Labour voters who dont give a monkey's about Anti semitisim or the situation in the Midde east.
Homelessness.the state of education.the destruction of the nhs and the disaster of rail privatisation .greedy energy companies and attacking the totally inept Tory government are issues most people worry about.
Corbyn and his buddies are completely out of touch.
I will as always vote Labour as a teacher I believe the state system needs more money and this will never happen under the grammar mad May .
Also our Labour mp is a good local mp and has earned my vote.Corbyn will lose a general election so at least thats a positive result we could elect a real leader to unite the Labour movement.I would never vote for the Tories 2nd eleven the Liberals.

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[Woodleyclaret]

It took 40 yrs to amass my teacher pension with very high contributions .Now I find the parasites at the IRS take one third in tax as I recieve the vast sum of £159/ week state pension.
I beleve pensions up to £100,000 should be totally tax free.It shouldn't be neccassary to have to work part time just to live.

[South West Claret.]

It took 40 yrs to amass my teacher pension with very high contributions .Now I find the parasites at the IRS take one third in tax as I recieve the vast sum of £159/ week state pension.
I beleve pensions up to £100,000 should be totally tax free.It shouldn't be neccassary to have to work part time just to live.

Sometimes it’s not about how much you earn but more about how much you spend.

[TINNIES]

TINNIES

[Lord Rothbury]

Vote labour! I would rather vote for next door,s cat.

I gave up voting Labour when Kitty Usher(no pun intended) was disgracefully selected as Labour candidate for Burnley.She turned out to be a disaster for the local party.

We now have Julie Cooper who as far as I can see is no better than Ms Usher.A good independant candidate campaigning on the right issues would go close in Burnley.

[Lancasterclaret]

I've changed my mind

I'd vote for anyone who gives life imprisonment to people who click on football messageboard titles like "If there was a general election tomorrow would you still vote Labour" and get all het up when its not about tactical flexibility with Barnes and Vokes to be perfectly honest.

[Wisswosswass]

Vote labour! I would rather vote for next door,s cat.

I gave up voting Labour when Kitty Usher(no pun intended) was disgracefully selected as Labour candidate for Burnley.She turned out to be a disaster for the local party.

We now have Julie Cooper who as far as I can see is no better than Ms Usher.A good independant candidate campaigning on the right issues would go close in Burnley.

I've no allegiance to a party but do tend to vote Tory. I go with policy, not party but found it highly disturbing when I questioned a Tory MP about an issue. She blatantly and publicly said that she didn't care what her constituents thought. She was voted into office and would vote according to her own opinion and against the wishes of her constituents. She's a well known Tory who has since moved to New York. Louise Mensch. The worrying thing is that this happens with all parties. It's rife amongst all parties. All in it for their own personal gain.

[RocketLawnChair]

I've changed my mind

I'd vote for anyone who gives life imprisonment to people who click on football messageboard titles like "If there was a general election tomorrow would you still vote Labour" and get all het up when its not about tactical flexibility with Barnes and Vokes to be perfectly honest.

Irony

[Imploding Turtle]

Voting for minorities can lead to getting what you want, but it takes time to build. Look what UKIP achieved by gradually building and building their vote over several elections. Look what the Liberals could have achieved if they hadn't made all the counter-productive decisions they made in the 2010 parliament..

So you're saying that I should accept that my vote for my preferred party is worth less than your vote for yours? lol. Why?

[Wisswosswass]

So you're saying that I should accept that my vote for my preferred party is worth less than your vote for yours? lol. Why?

I'm guessing what he's saying is if you live in a massively pro Labour/Tory area, your vote to the contrary is worthless. Which it is. Better to abstain or vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party, not to dissimilar from Labour, granted.

[South West Claret.]

I'm guessing what he's saying is if you live in a massively pro Labour/Tory area, your vote to the contrary is worthless. Which it is. Better to abstain or vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party, not to dissimilar from Labour, granted.

No vote is worthless one reason being is that the person has at least taken the trouble to engage in the process.

[nil_desperandum]

It took 40 yrs to amass my teacher pension with very high contributions .Now I find the parasites at the IRS take one third in tax as I recieve the vast sum of £159/ week state pension.
I beleve pensions up to £100,000 should be totally tax free.It shouldn't be neccassary to have to work part time just to live.

And who pays for that? Oh yes, as usual - young hardworking families.
I'm in a similar position to you with a teacher pension accrued after 38 years of "very high" contributions. I don't yet qualify for state pension but will expect to pay increased tax when it kicks in. (i.e. anything over tax threshold being taxable seems fair enough to me).

What I don't understand is how you pay a third of your income in tax. Did you teach Maths or economics?
Incidentally, when I qualify for state pension I'll be earning more in real terms than ever in my life. (No mortgage, no children at home, no other loans being significant net gains compared to 20 years ago).

[Imploding Turtle]

I'm guessing what he's saying is if you live in a massively pro Labour/Tory area, your vote to the contrary is worthless. Which it is. Better to abstain or vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party, not to dissimilar from Labour, granted.

No he's not. He's a big fan of FPTP because it marginalises the left and empowers the right.

The left is fractured, which in a properly representative democracy is perfectly fine because all their views get represented. But the right acts as one (probably because they don't tend to put up with dissenting views) and that's why we have to have the FPTP system, it works for the right and doesn't work for the left.

Just look at Labour. They only got power in the 90s because they moved enough to the right that they were able to divide the right.
And look at the left today. They're less fractured and have dragged Labour back from the centre and to the left and all of a sudden FPTP isn't working for the Tories as well as it was before. That's why we see desperate attempts from the Tory press to divide the left whenever a senior labour figure drinks, wears or owns something remotely expensive.

So we're stuck with this ****** up, undemocratic system because the Tories know that one day it'll work for them, and Corbyn won't oppose it because currently it's working for him. But it's not working for the people it's supposed to be working for.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I plan to vote labour because, to be perfectly honest. I just want to watch the liberals empire burn.

[Imploding Turtle]

I plan to vote labour because, to be perfectly honest. I just want to watch the liberals empire burn.

So you want to used your vote in a way that you believe will hurt this country. Is that why you voted Leave?

[ClaretMoffitt]

So you want to used your vote in a way that you believe will hurt this country. Is that why you voted Leave?

No but the semantics afterwards from the left have made me think they deserve to get the euronazi'd socialist state they so desperately desire, by which point i'll **** off to Hungary.

[Imploding Turtle]

No but the semantics afterwards from the left have made me think they deserve to get the euronazi'd socialist state they so desperately desire, by which point i'll **** off to Hungary.

Ha. Get it everyone? because the Nazis were socialists.

It genuinely makes me laugh when someone trots out that old nonsense. Especially after two years ago they were holding up more socialist countries as an example that we should follow in order to convince us to maybe vote to leave the EU.
It's almost as if you people have absolutely no consistency whatsoever.

[Pstotto]

King Corbyn visits Stoke in his chariot, pulled along by the luvvi huskies. He 'stops off for a pint' and says that Stoke is not 'productive enough' and now he's going on about 'building a better Britain.'

When the cotton industry took off THERE WAS A REASON for it. Mr. Bullough (?) of Burnley, invented the Burnley loom which was made in Burnley. He transformed the industry and according to the TV last week, was the Bill Gates of his day.

Has Jeremy Corbyn come up with a new design for a pot for Wedgewood? Has he designed a 3D-printer of ceramics using slip? What's his big idea to transform Stoke so that it is 'more productive?'

It's more empty bull dirt from a bull dirt merchant to whip the underclass up to fight themselves.

[yorkyclaret]

Crazy times, no way could I ever vote Corbyn but if he had a meeting with Trump and Putin he could just be the sensible one.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Ha. Get it everyone? because the Nazis were socialists.

It genuinely makes me laugh when someone trots out that old nonsense. Especially after two years ago they were holding up more socialist countries as an example that we should follow in order to convince us to maybe vote to leave the EU.
It's almost as if you people have absolutely no consistency whatsoever.

Alls i'm saying is you guys win, I want you to get what you want.

I want to see us become a borderline communist country and to grovel on our hands and knees to the EU. I want to see unregulated and total mass immigration into the UK, I want to see us disassemble our nuclear deterrent and beyond that our armed forces and in it's place fund a socialist state style police force domestically whilst funding an EU army to oversee our "safety".

I'm young, fit, and adaptive, I'll find a way to cope and survive.

Lets see how the vulnerable people you lot claim to care about so much fare in this "utopia" of your creation.

[Spaceman]

No but the semantics afterwards from the left have made me think they deserve to get the euronazi'd socialist state they so desperately desire, by which point i'll **** off to Hungary.

You are moving to Hungary to avoid Nazis ?

[RingoMcCartney]

Is Neil Kinnock still around,i think even he could win an election against May.

Kinnock the abject political failure, whose entire ******* family jumped on the EU gravy train and became millionaires.

Deplorable, some are more equal than others, so called "socialist"

[RingoMcCartney]

No he's not. He's a big fan of FPTP because it marginalises the left and empowers the right.

The left is fractured, which in a properly representative democracy is perfectly fine because all their views get represented. But the right acts as one (probably because they don't tend to put up with dissenting views) and that's why we have to have the FPTP system, it works for the right and doesn't work for the left.

Just look at Labour. They only got power in the 90s because they moved enough to the right that they were able to divide the right.
And look at the left today. They're less fractured and have dragged Labour back from the centre and to the left and all of a sudden FPTP isn't working for the Tories as well as it was before. That's why we see desperate attempts from the Tory press to divide the left whenever a senior labour figure drinks, wears or owns something remotely expensive.

So we're stuck with this ****** up, undemocratic system because the Tories know that one day it'll work for them, and Corbyn won't oppose it because currently it's working for him. But it's not working for the people it's supposed to be working for.

Democracy - it means sometimes you lose.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think CM has found the stuff that Jakub was necking last night and tried a drop.

[RingoMcCartney]

Alls i'm saying is you guys win, I want you to get what you want.

I want to see us become a borderline communist country and to grovel on our hands and knees to the EU. I want to see unregulated and total mass immigration into the UK, I want to see us disassemble our nuclear deterrent and beyond that our armed forces and in it's place fund a socialist state style police force domestically whilst funding an EU army to oversee our "safety".

I'm young, fit, and adaptive, I'll find a way to cope and survive.

Lets see how the vulnerable people you lot claim to care about so much fare in this "utopia" of your creation.

To be fair Moffit, I think there are many of the Left on the political threads on here, who're "vulnerable". Be gentle with the UTC delicates !

[Devils_Advocate]

Democracy - it means sometimes you lose.

Steady on Ringo - I know its match day but we dont kick off till 4pm so if youre not careful you'll be smashed out of your head by then

[RingoMcCartney]

Steady on Ringo - I know its match day but we dont kick off till 4pm so if youre not careful you'll be smashed out of your head by then

I'm on my 8th bottle of vodka of the morning.

And you still aren't making sense!......

[ClaretMoffitt]

To be fair Moffit, I think there are many of the Left on the political threads on here, who're "vulnerable". Be gentle with the UTC delicates !

Did last nights rum bring out a little too much honesty?

[RingoMcCartney]

Steady on Ringo - I know its match day but we dont kick off till 4pm so if youre not careful you'll be smashed out of your head by then

Talking of "delicates". Try putting your head in your washing machine on a boil wash!

[Devils_Advocate]

Talking of "delicates". Try putting your head in your washing machine on a boil wash!

Good one Ringo

[JohnMcGreal]

As others have already pointed out, under our current system there really is no alternative if you want to kick this god-awful rabble out of office.

After 8 years of conservative lead governments, the results are there for all to see. They've inflicted a huge amount of damage on this country. Austerity was a disaster. Inequality has increased. Public services are on life support. Local authorities are going bankrupt. The roads are a disgrace.

Just when you thought they couldn't possibly inflict any more damage on the country, they go nuclear and give us Brexit. The mother of all **** ups.

This country can't take any more Tory vandalism, so yes, I vote Labour at the next election.

[Imploding Turtle]

Democracy - it means sometimes you lose.

Remember that when there's a referendum on the final deal.

[Steve1956]

Kinnock the abject political failure, whose entire ******* family jumped on the EU gravy train and became millionaires.

Deplorable, some are more equal than others, so called "socialist"

Yep! ...that's the fella..disgusting.

[ClaretMoffitt]

As others have already pointed out, under our current system there really is no alternative if you want to kick this god-awful rabble out of office.

After 8 years of conservative lead governments, the results are there for all to see. They've inflicted a huge amount of damage on this country. Austerity was a disaster. Inequality has increased. Public services are on life support. Local authorities are going bankrupt. The roads are a disgrace.

Just when you thought they couldn't possibly inflict any more damage on the country, they go nuclear and give us Brexit. The mother of all **** ups.

This country can't take any more Tory vandalism, so yes, I vote Labour at the next election.

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In 2005 the UK “current budget deficit” was less that £20 billion. But then came the worldwide financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent recession. The budget deficit skyrocketed to £50 billion in 2009 and £103 billion in 2010. In the subsequent recovery the deficit has steadily declined, down to £1.9 billion in 2018.

>austerity was a disaster
>austerity a disaster
>austerity disaster
>disaster

I've got an idea, lets make all the hardship of the last 10 years count for absolutely nothing by voting in a far left government to take spending right back up again!!! Herp herp!

~ Liberals, 2018.

[RingoMcCartney]

Good one Ringo

Sad one Devils "one trick pony" advocate.......

[Imploding Turtle]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... umn-budget



>austerity was a disaster
>austerity a disaster
>austerity disaster
>disaster

Hypothetically i spent £1,000,000 yesterday on a 1994 Ford Escort. Some people are calling that deal a "disaster". However, i present this bar chart of number of Ford Escorts i have historically owned.

My point? There are more appropriate ways to measure the success of something than whether or not i have more Ford Escorts today than yesterday.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Hypothetically i spent £1,000,000 yesterday on a 1994 Ford Escort. Some people are calling that deal a "disaster". However, i present this bar chart of number of Ford Escorts i have historically owned.

My point? There are more appropriate ways to measure the success of something than whether or not i have more Ford Escorts today than yesterday.

I struggle to see how lowering your spending to get out of debt is in any way shape or form a negative. If everyone in this country did the same thing, it would be a better place for it.

[RingoMcCartney]

Remember that when there's a referendum on the final deal.

If there was and it went against me, I'd accept it instead of whining and bleating and stamping my feet, demanding a best of 3. In a permanent state of self imposed hissy fit! Like your shower of shoite!

[Imploding Turtle]

If there was and it went against me, I'd accept it instead of whining and bleating and stamping my feet, demanding a best of 3. In a permanent state of self imposed hissy fit! Like your shower of shoite!

Quoted for posterity.

"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way." - Your God Emperor

[RingoMcCartney]

Quoted for posterity.

By the official UTC message board posterior.

[nil_desperandum]

I struggle to see how lowering your spending to get out of debt is in any way shape or form a negative. If everyone in this country did the same thing, it would be a better place for it.

Too much of a generalisation.
For many years I took out loans to pay for my car etc. If I sold my car and didn't replace it then I would have been thousands a year better off -----
......... but how would I have got to work or done my job?
Working full-time, paying my taxes and taking out loans in order to do it was great for the economy.

[Stayingup]

The question really ought to be. Would you vote for a Marxist Communist Government that would take us back to the 70's?

I would just to teach these young Marxist super consumers a lesson. Oh and would they get one.

[Stayingup]

I don’t think I’m answering your question, but I sure as hell wouldn’t vote blue.

Your right your not answering the question. So why answer at all?

[nil_desperandum]

The question really ought to be. Would you vote for a Marxist Communist Government that would take us back to the 70's?

I would just to teach these young Marxist super consumers a lesson. Oh and would they get one.

You really think that in our Parliamentary democracy Marxist / Communist policies / laws would be enacted?
Similar to Brexit really. Our Parliamentary democracy is certainly flawed but it does generally protect us from cliff-edge extremist policies.
Corbyn would have to have a huge majority to get anything remotely extreme through the Commons, and then beyond that he would have to get it past the Lords and any judicial challenge.
It's for exactly the same reason that Rees-Mogg would be unable to take us back to the 1770s.