Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:51 pm

I've dropped everything I need to do, to admire some of these people on Twitter all day. Who needs football

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:03 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Question to remainers let’s say 6 million leave voter did a petition for no deal and a million people descended on London to demand to leave would you take it seriously? exactly

I would take it seriously.
My guess would be had all the options been on the original ballot eg: Remain, No Deal, Norway+, Canada+ etc. No deal would not have garnered 6 million votes.
This is why I would take it seriously should the events you describe take place because it would fundamentally alter my view of the leave vote and I would have to reevaluation not my position but my understanding.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:22 pm

Just come on here so haven’t read all the recent posts.

Thought it would be quiet on here what with not much footy and all the bad loser remainers from on here, down in London having a nice day out in the sun... so Lancs, nil, McGreal and the rest.. if you get a thirst on or if you get tired of all the whinging/ whining in your ear then as you pass down Piccadilly you can skive off at Shepherds Market, and nip into the two cracking pubs there for a couple of liveners...very decent real ale available and other good stuff..

Have a great day !

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:24 pm

Just make your you don’t loot those pubs Hampstead when you go on your rioting rampage.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:25 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Just come on here so haven’t read all the recent posts.

Thought it would be quiet on here what with not much footy and all the bad loser remainers from on here, down in London having a nice day out in the sun... so Lancs, nil, McGreal and the rest.. if you get a thirst on or if you get tired of all the whinging/ whining in your ear then as you pass down Piccadilly you can skive off at Shepherds Market, and nip into the two cracking pubs there for a couple of liveners...very decent real ale available and other good stuff..

Have a great day !

What’s the bitter like?

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:26 pm

Don’t think he’ll have chance to loot them, Bordeaux. Isn’t the UK going to explode the second we leave the EU?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:34 pm

Some of you lame brains / slow processors would appear to be confusing the words that I actually wrote with the words that you REALLY WISH I’D WRITTEN.. tragic..

Shall I put the posts up and embarrass you?
- just more fakery

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:10 pm

If that’s a million people we get 100k gates at home

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:19 pm

Some of them are running round to the back of the march so they get counted twice..

Others have got disguises in their pockets... fake noses, wigs, big ears - they’re hoping to get counted twice as well....

Just been in the Sherlock Holmes near Trafalgar Square - about 200 jolly people in there with placards, leaflets, loud-speakers and face paint... **** me if I’d known that lovely pub was on the ‘March route’ I’d have gone meself.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:19 pm

This dude knows exactly what’s been going on.
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Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:49 pm

Indicative votes (my) predicted result:

Customs union - Yes
Single market - No
Freedom from ECJ rules/interference - Yes
Independent immigration policy - Yes
Independent agricultural policy - Yes
Independent fisheries policy - Yes

Being the worlds fifth largest economy should allow us a certain amount of cherry picking so why don't we just inform the EU that these are our requirements for leaving.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:09 pm

summitclaret wrote:I not talking about a snap GE rather one called by a new tory leader 'elected' with a clear mandate.

Also no one mentioned 50% of a euro vote. Just who would be the biggest party.

Nonetheless you were referring to a Gen Election which would be held under FPTP, so it would be very difficult for a divided Tory party to win, as I demonstrated by using the Hastings constituency as an example.
But if you want to talk about the EU elections, surely it would be a rejection of brexit if Farage's Brexit Party failed to get 50%?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:18 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Nonetheless you were referring to a Gen Election which would be held under FPTP, so it would be very difficult for a divided Tory party to win, as I demonstrated by using the Hastings constituency as an example.
But if you want to talk about the EU elections, surely it would be a rejection of brexit if Farage's Brexit Party failed to get 50%?

50% would be momentous although it could be higher ..

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:21 pm

Why would the Brexit party want MEP’s?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:21 pm

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:22 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:50% would be momentous although it could be higher ..

How would it be momentous? Strikes me as an odd thing to say if you're so confident about there being a brexit majority.
52% voted for brexit in 2016, so by your own inference here (if 50% is momentous) you're admitting that it's unlikely there would be majority support now for brexit.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:20 pm

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#Ledbydonkeys
is doing sterling work and doing what the media refuses to do; remind and hold people accountable for of the words that they have said.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:24 pm

None of the above.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:26 pm

Even Vote Leave staffers didn't understand the implications and put too much faith in headline grabbing promises without looking into details of why they were actually false or could not work.

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martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:00 pm

Haven’t seen that much coverage of today’s march, but was does strike me (apart from the numbers) is the carnival atmosphere and the general good humour. This is in stark contrast to the anger and bile that has marked some of the Brexiteer protests, particularly the yellow vest ones, over the last few months. If I didn’t know what the different protests were about it wouldn’t take me long looking at them to work out which side I hoped got it’s way (and this on the day that the woman who started the revoke petition has had to delete her Facebook account after numerous death threats).

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:26 pm

Any one go on?

Bibblebobble · Post by **Bibblebobble** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:33 pm

Martin- let’s turn things round. Remain won and yet for the last three years we had left the Eu. How would you be feeling?

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:44 pm

I was outside parliament on Wednesday and there was plenty of bile from both sides. The girl with the blonde hair and blue streak at the front, who has made a few of the media photos today, was there and being particularly aggressive.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:45 pm

Bibblebobble wrote:Martin- let’s turn things round. Remain won and yet for the last three years we had left the Eu. How would you be feeling?

That doesn't make any sense, but to make sense of your post. Let's say remain won 52 / 48. Do you think that the leave supporters would just have accepted it and would be sat back at home now saying "all's well"

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:49 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:That doesn't make any sense, but to make sense of your post. Let's say remain won 52 / 48. Do you think that the leave supporters would just have accepted it and would be sat back at home now saying "all's well"

That wouldn't have been a entity as the result would have been enacted without quibble, the leavers are well within their rights at being jacked off with the jokers organising brexit.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:56 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:That doesn't make any sense, but to make sense of your post. Let's say remain won 52 / 48. Do you think that the leave supporters would just have accepted it and would be sat back at home now saying "all's well"

It's an absolute guarantee that Remain would want the result to stand forever.

The boot would be on the other foot, but with that small win ratio Remain would be lording it over leave.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:59 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Even Vote Leave staffers didn't understand the implications and put too much faith in headline grabbing promises without looking into details of why they were actually false or could not work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGwz-u5otzk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I knew the implications and voted leave.

I asked earlier how remain voters saw the EU in 20 years and they had no clue what it would be.

We will be controlled from Europe.

Pay larger taxes to come into line with the Eu countries, due to total fiscal alignment with all 28 countries.

An EU army that will fight the battles the EU decide.

Should we the British take to the streets to complain, German and France troops will suppress us as an EU army.

I don’t thing I will be around when this happens, but it’s what you you want.
You reap what you sow.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:01 pm

So you know all that for sure?

The point is if remainers don't know what its going to be like in twenty years, then Brexiteers don't know either.

I've no idea where we or the EU end up, but a Brexit that promised the earth and delivered the Venkys is the wrong move for the UK.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:08 pm

It's only delivering the Venkys because of the disarray caused in the main by remainers refusing to respect the vote result.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:08 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I knew the implications and voted leave.

I asked earlier how remain voters saw the EU in 20 years and they had no clue what it would be.

We will be controlled from Europe.

Pay larger taxes to come into line with the Eu countries, due to total fiscal alignment with all 28 countries.

An EU army that will fight the battles the EU decide.

Should we the British take to the streets to complain, German and France troops will suppress us as an EU army.

I don’t thing I will be around when this happens, but it’s what you you want.
You reap what you sow.

I don't know how many times it needs repeating but we have a veto on all those things, and - of course - should the EU ever try to change the rules so that we would lose our veto, then that would be a logical time to threaten to leave, - no ifs no buts.
As it stands we are voluntarily giving up that valuable tool that gives us a significant amount of control.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:11 pm

It's only delivering the Venkys because of the disarray caused in the main by remainers refusing to respect the vote result

Er, yeah

Do you actually want to back that up with some filler, or is repeating Brexit bullshit your new thing?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Er, yeah

Do you actually want to back that up with some filler, or is repeating Brexit bullshit your new thing?

So you're honestly telling me that remainers haven't been screaming and kicking against the vote ever since it was announced??

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:15 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:It's an absolute guarantee that Remain would want the result to stand forever.

It's absolutely not. I would imagine that the overwhelming majority of remain voters would judge the EU on its merits at any time in the future, and if they suddenly (e.g.) said we're removing your rebate and you're losing your veto, then the majority of current remainers would favour a managed "leave".

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:18 pm

********, some remainers are so blinded by the EU they can't see an alternative.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:19 pm

Just use your extensive knowledge about this to tell me how its remainers and remainers only messing this up?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:So you know all that for sure?

The point is if remainers don't know what its going to be like in twenty years, then Brexiteers don't know either.

I've no idea where we or the EU end up, but a Brexit that promised the earth and delivered the Venkys is the wrong move for the UK.

No I don’t as you know.

But also the muslin population doubles every few years, perhaps the next caliphate will start here. It will start some where, just a question of where.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:20 pm

Mala591 wrote:Indicative votes (my) predicted result:

Customs union - Yes
Single market - No
Freedom from ECJ rules/interference - Yes
Independent immigration policy - Yes
Independent agricultural policy - Yes
Independent fisheries policy - Yes

Being the worlds fifth largest economy should allow us a certain amount of cherry picking so why don't we just inform the EU that these are our requirements for leaving.

So you want to be in a CU where the U.K. cannot have an independent trade policy, is bound by future EU trade deals where the U.K. has no place at the negotiating table and the EU negotiating team don’t need to consider the UKs needs and the rules of the CU will be governed by ECJ decisions?

Why did you vote leave?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:21 pm

But also the muslin population doubles every few years, perhaps the next caliphate will start here. It will start some where, just a question of where.

Might be an idea to watch a film and log back on tomorrow Lowbank.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:23 pm

Let's start talking when there are 17 million plus signatures, and/or 17 million plus marching.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Just use your extensive knowledge about this to tell me how its remainers and remainers only messing this up?

Just as soon as you point out where I've said it's only remainers, using your extensive knowledge of course.

Do I need to wait long?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:28 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:No I don’t as you know.

But also the muslin population doubles every few years, perhaps the next caliphate will start here. It will start some where, just a question of where.

And what exactly has that got to do with leaving the EU?
Are we currently swamped by muslims coming in from the EU? Or are they part of the huge increase in immigration from outside the EU that has taken place since June 2016?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:29 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:No I don’t as you know.

But also the muslin population doubles every few years

Yeah, but they’re good for mopping up baby sick.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:29 pm

Do I need to wait long?

I'd love to engage in a debate with you, a verbal duel if you will.

But sadly you are unarmed.

I like you sid, but you are overly fond of sticking contributions on stuff that you really don't know enough about, and this is one.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:30 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:No I don’t as you know.

But also the muslin population doubles every few years, .

The idea of a "Muslin population" doesn't hold water

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:31 pm

Let's start talking when there are 17 million plus signatures, and/or 17 million plus marching.

Thats going to mean we need to have 16,999,867 more than are currently *checks notes* marching for Brexit?

Hardly seems fair.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:32 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:That wouldn't have been a entity as the result would have been enacted without quibble, the leavers are well within their rights at being jacked off with the jokers organising brexit.

Putting those “jokers” in charge was the will of the people.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:42 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Putting those “jokers” in charge was the will of the people.

Strictly speaking it was the will of Arlene Foster.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:50 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thats going to mean we need to have 16,999,867 more than are currently *checks notes* marching for Brexit?

Hardly seems fair.

I think the point Sid is making, is that the 17.4 million who placed their tick in the Leave box in 2016 have already ‘marched’. Fair play to all those who went to London today though, they’re welcome to voice their displeasure at the democratic decision. Luckily, it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference if 1.5 % of our population marches on the capital, because of how our democracy works.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:53 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'd love to engage in a debate with you, a verbal duel if you will.

But sadly you are unarmed.

I like you sid, but you are overly fond of sticking contributions on stuff that you really don't know enough about, and this is one.

You claimed I've said something, which I didn't, so I asked you to show me where I've allegedly claimed it's solely remainers fault.

I'm not unarmed on this one, you didn't have the right ammunition for the job, not my fault there, that's yours.

Try harder next time and pay attention to what I've said.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:55 pm

martin_p wrote:Strictly speaking it was the will of Arlene Foster.

Yeah, I guess so but that doesn’t alter the fact that 12 months after the referendum, a party led by a remainder win the most votes and seats.

That doesn’t seem to register with some people though, does it?