Bringing More Asians to the Turf

[Indecisive]

Good grief.

Anyone got any more cotton wool to wrap around this delicate soul?

Finding a number of these comments on here face palmingly 1980's, doesn't mean you need wrapping up in cotton wool mate.

[ArmchairDetective]

Coming over here, stealing our seats

[Claretforever]

There are outdated views and then there are precious people who want to take some sort of faux moral high ground. If someone had used the term "slanty eyes", or "nip" then it would be seen as offensive. Calling someone a "Jap" is just shortening the word, like has been pointed out above with the use of "Aussies"?

Overall we are selling 96% of our regularly available home seats on average. Why do we need to encourage other communities unless we are planning expanding the ground by 4-5,000?

[Holmeclaret]

There are outdated views and then there are precious people who want to take some sort of faux moral high ground. If someone had used the term "slanty eyes", or "nip" then it would be seen as offensive. Calling someone a "Jap" is just shortening the word, like has been pointed out above with the use of "Aussies"?

Overall we are selling 96% of our regularly available home seats on average. Why do we need to encourage other communities unless we are planning expanding the ground by 4-5,000?

Because a day may come when we are not selling 96% of our seats. Most business operations think about something called the future.

[CombatClaret]

There are outdated views and then there are precious people who want to take some sort of faux moral high ground. If someone had used the term "slanty eyes", or "nip" then it would be seen as offensive. Calling someone a "Jap" is just shortening the word, like has been pointed out above with the use of "Aussies"? ?

A 'What, me guv?' excuse while winking to others.

Most people know full well it's not about the semantic use of the word but the context in how it was and is used. The term Jap was used heavily in WWII propaganda to stereotype and dehumanize the Japanese. Google it and you will find lots of overtly racist images along with pages confirming that it is a derogatory term.
A lot of other offensive terms go back much further so it is still very much in date.

[dpinsussex]

Asians are often very well connected in business and might be an area for the club to exploit

[Devils_Advocate]

its seemingly okay to mock the mexicans and french on talk sport, idiot advertisers using voiceover berks to parody them for profit.
god forbid they try it with a Pakistani acent.

If you cannot grasp how the historical context of the insults/mocking is as important as the insults/mocking themselves you really are clueless.

Anyone who thinks being called a white b*stard is the same insult as being called a paki b*stard just because the words are the same is either lacking in intelligence or has underlying prejudices

[bfcmik]

We will only see significant numbers of Asian (Pakistani/Bangladeshi) once a few manage to break through into 1st team football at a high level. That is what will start to attract the ordinary people on the street. It would also start to break down some of the stereotypes held dear by some of our far-right brethren - though, given how long it has taken for black players to stop receiving racial abuse as a norm, that could be an extremely long process.

[bfccrazy]

There are outdated views and then there are precious people who want to take some sort of faux moral high ground. If someone had used the term "slanty eyes", or "nip" then it would be seen as offensive. Calling someone a "Jap" is just shortening the word, like has been pointed out above with the use of "Aussies"?

Overall we are selling 96% of our regularly available home seats on average. Why do we need to encourage other communities unless we are planning expanding the ground by 4-5,000?

It's not the terms used per say but a mixture of things - I remember being singled out by a section of our fans at Stoke away a few years back for some stick .... Before a game had a bloke say "my dog eats people like that" whilst pointing at me (a mate and I had to be restrained from him) .... had clever sods sing racist songs at me after a few too many ..... had punches thrown at me from our own fans in random pubs.... Villa away last prem season - 2 mins into the game a bloke behind be had already called one of their players a black c**t about 4 times and I had to tell him to wind his neck in (even thought there were loads of people around us).

This isn't a sob story and the older I have gotten....it has seemed to have gone away maybe because of how I've dealt with some things and maybe also changing views....... I'm not sure a lot of people would fancy paying to watch a team that means they run the risk of any of the above happening to them which will always cause a divide.

[Holmeclaret]

It's not the terms used per say but a mixture of things - I remember being singled out by a section of our fans at Stoke away a few years back for some stick .... Before a game had a bloke say "my dog eats people like that" whilst pointing at me (a mate and I had to be restrained from him) .... had clever sods sing racist songs at me after a few too many ..... had punches thrown at me from our own fans in random pubs.... Villa away last prem season - 2 mins into the game a bloke behind be had already called one of their players a black c**t about 4 times and I had to tell him to wind his neck in (even thought there were loads of people around us).

This isn't a sob story and the older I have gotten....it has seemed to have gone away maybe because of how I've dealt with some things and maybe also changing views....... I'm not sure a lot of people would fancy paying to watch a team that means they run the risk of any of the above happening to them which will always cause a divide.

I think that sums it up well. Name calling is just name calling but when it's backed up with open hostility and the threat of possible violence, it's not something that not many would want to pay to see. You also wouldn't want your kids to witness it - either the provocation or a dad's reaction to it.

[3putt]

FFS KRBFC

any "fan" has a start point. Mine was being taken on to the games to stop getting ****** as a 14 year old in a pub that accommodated me. I had no previous connection with the town of Burnley, nor the club. I've not once said anything derogatory about you on this forum as that's not my nature, but jeez, that comment takes the biscuit.

#3putt - I think you are interchanging race with ethnicity. If someone of the Asian race was a fan, they would be displaying English ethnicity. Ethnicity is about the application of culture and societal mores. It's dynamic, whereas rce is a given and cannot be changed. Just sayin.....

Don't mind you "just sayin" (saying) NRC, but no, I'm not.

[gandhisflipflop]

I can only speak from personal experience.

Of course. My guess is you have just been unlucky. But it isn't right.

[Clarettintedlense]

Bumping this up. There was a section on jhl against sunderland that was purely filled with local people of pakistani heritage. Sorry dont know the current best and pc approach.

Anyway there was around 50 who seemed to absolutely love it especially when the second went in down our end.

Not sure if it was a club initiative or whether they all sit together every game there but hopefully its a sign of things to come. A lot of potential fans there for us and they definitely looked to have enjoyed it too.

[fidelcastro]

Bumping this up. There was a section on jhl against sunderland that was purely filled with local people of pakistani heritage. Sorry dont know the current best and pc approach.

Anyway there was around 50 who seemed to absolutely love it especially when the second went in down our end.

Not sure if it was a club initiative or whether they all sit together every game there but hopefully its a sign of things to come. A lot of potential fans there for us and they definitely looked to have enjoyed it too.

They wouldn't dare post their thoughts, but there will be some people reading that, that are frothing at the mouth.

Sad but true.

Anyway, good for the 50 or so that you saw. I hope they continue to attend.

UTC.

[RocketLawnChair]

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if I was the only white/British person in a crowd of 21000 tbh. Burnley will always be my team.

I would draw the line at that Citizen Khan guy though, he's a right muppet.

[Wile E Coyote]

If you cannot grasp how the historical context of the insults/mocking is as important as the insults/mocking themselves you really are clueless.

Anyone who thinks being called a white b*stard is the same insult as being called a paki b*stard just because the words are the same is either lacking in intelligence or has underlying prejudices

you are an idiot, its as if you have quoted me, but answered someone else's point. No relevance whatsoever.

[aggi]

There was a good article on Football365 and Bradford around this http://www.football365.com/news/setting ... la-bantams" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[S0S-1971]

If members of the Asian community wanted to go on the turf they could at any time , but they don't , that tells me they don't want to go on , there you go all sorted end of thread .

[Clarettintedlense]

If members of the Asian community wanted to go on the turf they could at any time , but they don't , that tells me they don't want to go on , there you go all sorted end of thread .

Not really. Why dont they want to?

Its not like 'they' dont like football. I went to school with and work with tons of 'Asians'. Almost all of them love football. Most played or play it. Many even like(d) Burnley.

Is it money?
Is it cultural?
Is it divisiveness or fear of?

[Holtyclaret]

I once brought two spring rolls and three chipatis as a half time snack.

I'll get me coat.

[Wile E Coyote]

a lot of asians like bollywood type movies, they have special screenings at the cinemas to watch them .
Its like asking why we aren't queueing up to see them.We don't because we don't want to. there's no mystery.

[BleedingClaret]

**** sake
They are fans, mostly not supporters ,of the biggest clubs in their area. So Man Utd round here.
The bit of interest in Burnley is success related and will completely disappear when that success does.

[Wile E Coyote]

most asian lads I have spoken to support liverpool or united, or as above said, are fans of. Never hear them discuss burnley .

[turfytopper]

I see loads of Asian heritage people down the Turf every home match day..... Sadly the majority wear high vis vests.
But it is good to see a number coming down and supporting the clarets...

[TheFamilyCat]

You'd think having a family like the Venkys as superfans would raise the interest among Indians.