SD trapped in his own tautology

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:13 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:F@ck me over 16 years you must have wanted every manager sacked you massive whopper.

He's clearly an embittered Blackburn fan with far too much time on his hands

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:09 am

None of you appear to query the reason we are so effective at home but so lamentable away, and yet the answer lies in adherence to the framework, the success at home and the sterility away.
All I am calling for is experimentation beyond the framework, no one with any sense keeps on repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result.

The trouble is for too many people SD has become GOD.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:23 am

ablueclaret wrote:None of you appear to query the reason we are so effective at home but so lamentable away, and yet the answer lies in adherence to the framework, the success at home and the sterility away.
All I am calling for is experimentation beyond the framework, no one with any sense keeps on repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result.

The trouble is for too many people SD has become GOD.

No, the answer is simply variance. We play pretty much the same way at home as we do away.

All teams achieve better results in home games, it's merely down to the way the fine margins have gone that the difference seems so pronounced in our case. The human mind creates patterns that aren't there.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:29 am

As above. We play the same system home and away but away we come under more pressure simply because we are away. It's not our method changing but the oppositions.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:29 am

I'm afraid playing 2 in central midfield away from home might work if the players surrounding them are exceptional but we don't have that sort of player, just grafters whose skill has been whinnied down to efficiency.
We really need a new model for away matches because the home framework does not work away from home.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:32 am

Of course that is the case and therefore reinforce the side in the middle of the park so that we can at least compete. Not only that it gives the opposition something to think about and the manager room for adaptation as the game progresses.
I think SD is fearful that if he tinkers away from home he might lose the framework at home, but for this team to progress we need him to adapt and progress too.
Perhaps being successful at home is a bit of a curse.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:34 am

Three at the back is an option but I fancy just too radical for SD.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:39 am

I can never understand why posters get so het up or even respond to a poster who has the letters BRFC making up a majority of their user name. Just ignore them,Take them for what they are and move on

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:41 am

Am I really reading that some mouthbreathers (Well one at least) want Sean Dyche sacked with us sitting EIGHT POINTS from the bottom three with six games left?

If somebody had offered KRBFC or even Ablueclaret this position at the start of the season, even they would have been happy. It's not about how many away wins we get, it's about how many wins we get in total, home or away - ask Sunderland or Middlesbrough or Hull or Swansea if they would swap their respective records with ours.

We aren't getting hammered every game, we just lack a bit of quality in key areas, perfectly normal for a team in their first season back in the PL - all this overreaction and wailing and gnashing of teeth by the usual bellends is hilariously cringey.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:42 am

ablueclaret wrote:None of you appear to query the reason we are so effective at home but so lamentable away, and yet the answer lies in adherence to the framework, the success at home and the sterility away.
All I am calling for is experimentation beyond the framework, no one with any sense keeps on repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result.

The trouble is for too many people SD has become GOD.

We have been promoted to the Premier League twice before and both times been relegated.

This time Sean has kept us up; that was his primary target this year. His best chance of achieving that was to stick to what he knows.

If only you could accept that, acknowledge the achievement and celebrate that.

I think we all hope for improvements on the squad and consequent progression in playing style but we need to be able to walk before we can run.

Enjoy the moment.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:46 am

I had a suspicion whilst watching MOTD, that the match was fixed, only for Gary Lineker to say after, that Burnley can't BUY an away win. Maybe it's my conspiracy theorist mental health, the first Everton goal was clever, but the penalty was farcical, Barton's 'mistake' in midfield that led to the second goal and the comical scissor failed clearance of Keane in the Barkley shot and his silly wrong-sided grappling of Lukaku for the third, all looked suspicious and with it being another round of sentiment for Hillsborough, that on no account must be argued with, I had my doubts as to the result.

Meanwhile Dyche has almost secured us top flight football, for that alone he should be 2017 manager of the year.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:47 am

In possession, I think that part of our issue is our 'wingers' being so narrow. It invariably means that Ward and Lowton are our threat from out wide.

It gave Ward more crossing opportunities than Brady yesterday which is far less effective. Lowton put one great ball in but there was little if anything from Boyd.

If we were to move to three at the back, we'd need full backs with a lot more in their locker than Ward and Lowton.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:47 am

ALso did KBRFC say that Dyche has taken us as far as he can?

It appears that we are going to finish in our highest league position in over 40 years and he wants the manager sacked?

Only in Burnley

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:48 am

Yesterday SD picked Brady when most thought he'd revert to Arfield for a very tough away game and that in itself showed a desire to attack more. And we certainly did attack more and could easily have scored one or two before they did. Ultimately it might be said that NOT having Arfield in the team left us a bit more open and cost us the game, but who knows. We showed real ambition to take the game to a side who had already won 7 on the bounce at home and in the end we could and probably should have got something.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:49 am

Pstotto wrote:I had a suspicion whilst watching MOTD, that the match was fixed, only for Gary Lineker to say after, that Burnley can't BUY an away win. Maybe it's my conspiracy theorist mental health, the first Everton goal was clever, but the penalty was farcical, Barton's 'mistake' in midfield that led to the second goal and the comical scissor failed clearance of Keane in the Barkley shot and his silly wrong-sided grappling of Lukaku for the third, all looked suspicious and with it being another round of sentiment for Hillsborough, that on no account must be argued with, I had my doubts as to the result.

Meanwhile Dyche has almost secured us top flight football, for that alone he should be 2017 manager of the year.

One of the more unusual conspiracy theories, Pstotto and that's saying something

Keane wasn't the wrong side, he was too tight to Lukaku and that allowed him to turn him, he will learn from that. The second was just unlucky with two deflections.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:53 am

What about Barton and his 'mistake' in midfield that led to their second goal and what about our penalty?

I disagree about Keane on Lukaku. He clearly clumsily grappled him for him to turn him over and on the wrong side.

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:55 am

I think this thread has proved a couple of things:

1) KRBFC needs to go and "support" Barcelona as that is the only team I can think of who will truly play the game he expects
2) ABC wins an award for saying the same thing in a different way without any substance whatsoever. He may see this as a skill, most of us see it as extremely dull. Well done ABC you go and polish your "award".

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:56 am

If he had stood back a yard, he wouldn't have turned him like that. That's Lukaku's main threat, using his strength to turn a player and get a shot away.

I don't think we can use a mistake from Barton as evidence of a conspiracy

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:02 am

Pstotto wrote:I had a suspicion whilst watching MOTD, that the match was fixed, only for Gary Lineker to say after, that Burnley can't BUY an away win. Maybe it's my conspiracy theorist mental health, the first Everton goal was clever, but the penalty was farcical, Barton's 'mistake' in midfield that led to the second goal and the comical scissor failed clearance of Keane in the Barkley shot and his silly wrong-sided grappling of Lukaku for the third, all looked suspicious and with it being another round of sentiment for Hillsborough, that on no account must be argued with, I had my doubts as to the result.

Meanwhile Dyche has almost secured us top flight football, for that alone he should be 2017 manager of the year.

Oh, you're serious.

I think you need help.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:05 am

Ebenezeer good. If we exchange emails TP, then you can send me some perchance, to give me this 'help' that I need.

Mitsubishis please.

Oh and some Russian whores ta boot!

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:09 am

I'm not sure that e's are quite the required help, Pstotto

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:19 am

The third goal was poor defending by Keane. Only a couple of weeks ago there was a feature on Sky Sports at Everton's training ground where Lukaku was demonstrating to Carragher how he likes to pin and turn a defender - which he did with ease a couple of times. I'm pretty sure that Carragher said that as a defender he would be looking to remain at arms-length with a striker like that to avoid being turned as easily.

It was very good centre forward play by Lukaku but Keane will be disappointed, considering how well he was marshalled for the duration of the game.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:22 am

Dark Cloud wrote:Yesterday SD picked Brady when most thought he'd revert to Arfield for a very tough away game and that in itself showed a desire to attack more. And we certainly did attack more and could easily have scored one or two before they did. Ultimately it might be said that NOT having Arfield in the team left us a bit more open and cost us the game, but who knows. We showed real ambition to take the game to a side who had already won 7 on the bounce at home and in the end we could and probably should have got something.

Arfield was injured, i'm sure he would have been straight back in otherwise.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:23 am

When did they introduce extra points for away wins. It's the only reason I can think that anyone would be worried about it. Some new strikers over the summer and all will be fine.

Best season in 42 years, I think SD might just know what he's doing.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:27 am

Rileybobs wrote:The third goal was poor defending by Keane. Only a couple of weeks ago there was a feature on Sky Sports at Everton's training ground where Lukaku was demonstrating to Carragher how he likes to pin and turn a defender - which he did with ease a couple of times. I'm pretty sure that Carragher said that as a defender he would be looking to remain at arms-length with a striker like that to avoid being turned as easily.

It was very good centre forward play by Lukaku but Keane will be disappointed, considering how well he was marshalled for the duration of the game.

Saw that as well - was demonstrating exactly what he did to Keane and it immediately sprung to mind when he scored yesterday

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:27 am

claretandy wrote:Arfield was injured, i'm sure he would have been straight back in otherwise.

Fair enough, but you see my point. If not Arfield SD could have picked someone else maybe, but not Brady. Someone who is much better at defending/tracking back. Westwood? SD didn't and that at least showed ambition to carry the game to them and try to pose more of a threat.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:33 am

125 posts in. That's not a tautology; logically or grammatically. FFS.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:42 am

Cooperclaret wrote:You are a fool

It should read tool.....

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:06 am

KRBFC wrote:The board should sack Dyche now, took us as far as he can. He should have been sacked on the pitch immediately after we lost to Lincoln to be fair.

I've been away a week and come back to find this ?

To think I used to get stick for suggesting this gimp was a lying wind-up merchant..............

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:33 am

KRBFC wrote:I don't like Dyches style of play, I'm entitled to my opinion as a paying long time season ticket holder.

So if u are a season ticket holder . Where are you sat.

Surely someone else will be able to verify that they have a real bell end sat near them if true

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:40 am

a tool usually indicates a useful implement.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:45 am

dpinsussex wrote:So if u are a season ticket holder . Where are you sat.

Surely someone else will be able to verify that they have a real bell end sat near them if true

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:05 pm

dpinsussex wrote:So if u are a season ticket holder . Where are you sat.

Surely someone else will be able to verify that they have a real bell end sat near them if true

I used to sit on the same row as MDWat, a few seats down. He used to go on with a girl I think. Maybe its DCWat, the younger of the two anyway which ever one that is.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:16 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:I've been away a week and come back to find this ?

To think I used to get stick for suggesting this gimp was a lying wind-up merchant..............

Come on Eddie, you're smarter than this.....

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:35 pm

[quote="ablueclaret"]
All I am calling for is experimentation beyond the framework, no one with any sense keeps on repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result

Brilliant, yet you keep on posting the same old guff and expect a different result.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:48 pm

KRBFC wrote:Come on Eddie, you're smarter than this.....

I am indeed but it doesn't alter the fact that every now and then you let slip exactly who and what you are hence the ridicule you receive from a growing number of posters on here.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:53 pm

But would I be saying the same old thing if we won away from home?

Did I expect to be in this position, well I did predict a top 10 finish with ours becoming the best defence in the division.

Mind you it is a very good achievement and SD deserves all the accolades going but that will not stop me highlighting the deficiencies he has which are in my opinion preventing him make the next step forward.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:58 pm

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evensteadiereddie wrote:I am indeed but it doesn't alter the fact that every now and then you let slip exactly who and what you are hence the ridicule you receive from a growing number of posters on here.

#TheKRBFCeffect

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:07 pm

Martin p thought the same about OC.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:20 pm

dpinsussex wrote:So if u are a season ticket holder . Where are you sat.

Surely someone else will be able to verify that they have a real bell end sat near them if true

Not so I'm afraid. That simply doesn't narrow it down at all. We ALL have complete bell ends sat close to us on the Turf! In fact judging by some of the stuff shouted out at games it seems there are more bell ends on the Turf than people claiming to be Spartacus in....Sparta!

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:29 pm

I love how every now and then the loon reverts to his beloved hashtag schtick which, in itself, is pretty lame. Add to that the Saxo-ish self-styled "posting for effect" crap of an excuse and it all becomes rather clear.
Still, who cares - we've survived against the odds and those that want the Clarets to do well can look forward to next season with interest. A hell of a challenge, no doubt, the old second - season syndrome, but SD will be our best chance of becoming established.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:41 pm

Here's the thing.......these two characters who are most vociferous on here after every defeat don't even see Burnley play in the flesh. How damning and how funny is that?

KRBFC, to his credit, used to accompany his grandad on the Turf and he did indeed sit in block 3 of the BL, not that far from me. Since his grandad became unable to attend I haven't seen him on any match and that is a long time now. Probably makes all his judgements from bits and bobs on TV.

As for ablueclaret........I had the misfortune to have to visit Nelson a couple of weeks ago and had a discussion all things BFC with someone who grew up there with a certain John F who he referred to as a controversial poster on uptheclarets with the username abc. He's still in touch with this John F and says he has lived in Wiltshire for many years and has not visited Turf Moor in a long long time. The last time he saw Burnley live was against Yeovil away, which is close to his home (and he sat in the home end) when Danny Ings scored a screamer.

I just find it remarkable that the two people who criticise the team most on here don't even watch us play.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:45 pm

I wouldn't say ablueclaret is controversial, his suggestions are more often too ridiculous to even be considered controversial.

As for KRBFC, I didn't know he no longer went near the Turf but I do know that his granddad wouldn't be too impressed with his constant negativity.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:50 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Here's the thing.......these two characters who are most vociferous on here after every defeat don't even see Burnley play in the flesh. How damning and how funny is that?

KRBFC, to his credit, used to accompany his grandad on the Turf and he did indeed sit in block 3 of the BL, not that far from me. Since his grandad became unable to attend I haven't seen him on any match and that is a long time now. Probably makes all his judgements from bits and bobs on TV.

As for ablueclaret........I had the misfortune to have to visit Nelson a couple of weeks ago and had a discussion all things BFC with someone who grew up there with a certain John F who he referred to as a controversial poster on uptheclarets with the username abc. He's still in touch with this John F and says he has lived in Wiltshire for many years and has not visited Turf Moor in a long long time. The last time he saw Burnley live was against Yeovil away, which is close to his home (and he sat in the home end) when Danny Ings scored a screamer.

I just find it remarkable that the two people who criticise the team most on here don't even watch us play.

I'm not sure how you can possibly say I don't attend anymore based on the fact you haven't seen me escort my dead Grandad to the game.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:53 pm

To be fair, you have been able to watch every Burnley game from the comfort of your own home this season.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:56 pm

Sadly royboy. your friend is having you on, but a lovely story nevertheless.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:02 pm

"Sadly royboy. your friend is having you on, but a lovely story nevertheless."

Well, he sounded very believable to me. How much of what he said is not factual?

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:08 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:"Sadly royboy. your friend is having you on, but a lovely story nevertheless."

Well, he sounded very believable to me. How much of what he said is not factual?

Come on royboy, surely you aren't expecting abc to answer a question --he is just like all politicians, however, you can live in hope.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:10 pm

Either way, Royboy has cleared up that I'm a Burnley fan posting on a forum for Burnley fans. Nothing else really matters so long as I'm not being abusive towards others. Yes, I may come across as a negative moaner and maybe I do go OTT negative and wind a few up now and again but I'm still a Burnley fan regardless of what anyone on here says.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:21 pm

KRBFC wrote:Either way, Royboy has cleared up that I'm a Burnley fanny posting on a forum for Burnley fans. Nothing else really matters so long as I'm being abusive towards others. Yes, I may come across as a complete moron and maybe I do go OTT negative and wind a few up now and again but I'm still a Burnley fanny regardless of what anyone on here says.

I can almost hear the violin.