Katie Hopkins..

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:52 pm

Can we stop this bullshit about liberals somehow being culpable for such evil acts of terrorism.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:53 pm

Right_winger wrote:I'm just asking for further proof that what people are presuming she meant was actually what she meant. It's rather inconclusive don't you think?

I'd agree there's no no easy solution, but we can be super strict at our orders and vet everyone who enters properly.
We should also be putting further resources into intelligence.

Unfortunately the liberals have been a large hinderance and indirectly allowed this to happen with their mindset and forcing their values onto the ordinary person of this country.

If you've ever checked Katie Hopkins' back catalogue, then you'd know there was nothing inconclusive about it.

How have liberals been indirectly responsible for what happened last night? I don't understand your logic.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:54 pm

These are the type of posts on Facebook that give me hope.

Abdul Sattar Khan
3 hrs ·
I've never been one to mince my words and I don't intend to now:

We Muslims need to take a long hard look at ourselves and ask what are we actually contributing to this country in return for the hospitality we are offered?

Proclaiming that "Well, I'm in such and such a profession and also a Muslim" is of no value or significance. What we do as work is our job for the purposes of income. What have we benefited this country in the context of the faith that you and I proclaim to follow?

How much longer can we tolerate ******* child rapists in Rochdale & Halifax ? Drug dealing "bros" ravaging communities from Birmingham to Burnley? Idiot drivers from Blackburn to Rusholme? And now ******* suicide bombers - may their parents be eaten by pigs.

I think as a Muslim community we have come to a crossroads. We call ourselves religious but in practice we offer nothing of our faith to our hosts. Entire towns have become ghettos and communities from Batley to Bradford think it is acceptable to just live from cradle to the grave in the UK without any interaction with the wider community.

Until we love our English hosts as we proclaim to love each other we will always fail. Either we change how we live here and abandon our insular ways or else we can expect to be increasingly unwelcome.

As for the ******* depraved **** who bomb children or prey on schoolgirls like those Rochdale taxi drivers.. I believe that every single member of their family should be immediately deported without trial or question. These depraved minds who can carry out such atrocities need to be made to think twice in their twisted minds that if they do what they plan, than every single member of their family will be deported without question.

I don't really care who I upset with this post. We, as Muslims have reached a crossroads. Either we love and embrace or we can start looking for property on Pakistan's and Bangladesh's version of Rightmove.

That's if the electricity there is working..

(Feel free to share)

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:55 pm

fidelcastro wrote:There is a place like that already. It's called Guantanamo Bay.

A great success that's been!

When there is clear evidence that someone is radicalised they should be locked away, not monitored, not put on a curfew and certainly not left to roam the streets. They're a danger to the rest of us.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:58 pm

Deporting people based on what a member of their family has done? **** off.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:58 pm

If there is clear evidence they should be arrested, charged, no bail sanctioned, taken to court and if found guilty locked up indefinitely. That's very different

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:59 pm

Mrpotatohead wrote:When there is clear evidence that someone is radicalised they should be locked away, not monitored, not put on a curfew and certainly not left to roam the streets. They're a danger to the rest of us.

So, you believe in detention without trial then?

Interesting.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:00 pm

"Unfortunately the liberals have been a large hinderance and indirectly allowed this to happen with their mindset and forcing their values onto the ordinary person of this country."

Absolute bullcrap, you're a ******* idiot, right-winger.
Who are these "liberals" you're talking about ? What is their "mindset" ? Their values as opposed to those of the "ordinary person" ?
If you're going to quote far-right shite then please make an attempt to offer some sign that you actually understand the words you've used.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:01 pm

I'm almost sure we spent 6 years fighting a war against a man who wanted to rid the world of certain races, creeds, religions and physicality.

Let's not become what we fought so hard against.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Deporting people based on what a member of their family has done? **** off.

I don't agree with that part, it's more the self awareness that resonates with me.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:05 pm

I am sure Hopkins is intelligent enough to have a historical knowledge of the phrase 'Final Solution', and has got exactly what the stupid narcissistic b*tch wanted - a massive (over)reaction.
Isis terrorists are as much a representation of all Muslims as the IRA are of all Catholics or the Ku Klux Klan are of all Christians.

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:07 pm

I saw this earlier, and I agree with Moffitt. The deport comments are over the top, but you can feel his frustration.

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:07 pm

fidelcastro wrote:So, you believe in detention without trial then?

Interesting.

That isn't want I've said though is it. I've said if there is clear evidence. If there is clear evidence they would stand trial and be found guilty. They would then be sent off to a special prison, where all wannabe terrorists are locked away. I mean locked away as well, none of this nice open prison, back in your cells at bed time rubbish.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:09 pm

You certainly implied it at the least

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:10 pm

She should on the Prick list.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:11 pm

Mrpotatohead wrote: That isn't want I've said though is it. I've said if there is clear evidence. If there is clear evidence they would stand trial and be found guilty. They would then be sent off to a special prison, where all wannabe terrorists are locked away. I mean locked away as well, none of this nice open prison, back in your cells at bed time rubbish.

And here was me thinking that people who stand trial for terrorism offences, and subsequently found guilty, WERE locked up.

How naive of me.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:13 pm

fidelcastro wrote:And here was me thinking that people who stand trial for terrorism offences, and subsequently found guilty, WERE locked up.

How naive of me.

They are released though eventually, some of them.

There are people who would prefer it if they were never released.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:18 pm

Sidney1st wrote:They are released though eventually, some of them.

There are people who would prefer it if they were never released.

I dare say, but that depends on the nature/severity of the offence in the first place, surely?

Keeping people locked up because they MIGHT do something in the future would be a dangerous road to go down, and where do we draw the line? Do we stop with what is classed as terrorism, or extend this law to other crimes?

It's not as straight forward as some people think.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:24 pm

Ah, the RW liberals aren't "ordinary people line" again" brilliant.

If we're going to reactionary. Well here goes,

Personally, I blame every single person that voted for David "Dave" Cameron. You and your neoliberal, let's bomb the sh1t out of Libya attitude, with, yet again no plan for the rebuilding afterwards, has created a power vacuum, local genicide, three "official" governments and given ISIS (the people that claim responsibility) a shoe hold into the control. Like Iraq we told you not to fing do it, but no, once Gaddiffi threaten to start build a massive solar farm to supply Europe, and threaten to reduce their Oil output, suddenly he's back in the axis of Evil and it's time to depose of him. 6 years later and the country (once a haven for sub saharan African refugees) is now in ruins. And it's obvious that this has racked with on or two or Libyan heritage, directly leading to this, not at all unhinged terrorist blowing up our kids at a pop concert.

~ ~ ~

Now, do I believe that? No, buts it's an open war or words against "non ordinary people libtards" then you shove that in your pipe and ponder on it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:25 pm

Sidney1st wrote:They are released though eventually, some of them.

There are people who would prefer it if they were never released.

I don't think locking people up for the rest of their lives just because they're might possibly one day go from a sympathiser to a terrorist is a good idea.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:27 pm

Professor Norman Finkelstein

"The Holocaust is not an arbitrary but rather an internally coherent construct. Its central dogmas sustain significant political and class interests. The Holocaust has proven to be an indispensable ideological weapon. Through its deployment, one of the world's most formidable military powers [Israel], with a horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a 'victim' state, and the most successful ethnic group in the United States [the Jews] has likewise acquired victim status. Considerable dividends accrue from this specious victimhood—in particular, immunity to criticism, however justified."

Russia and Its Final Solution

"Thus, the murder of the last emperor of a dynasty that had ruled Russia for three centuries not only symbolically presaged the Communist mass slaughter that would claim so many Russian lives in the decades that followed, but was symbolic of the Communist effort to kill the soul and spirit of Russia itself."

According to Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “66 million.”(mostly christian) were murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks.

claret3561 · Post by **claret3561** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:28 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's what is most appalling about the reaction to things like this. Throw away due process. Make people who are "known to police" disappear. No trial, no defence, just gone.

Dissapear just gone, like the 22 people in Manchester. You want to wake up and smell the coffee, these people you are defending are at war with us and your just sitting back and defending their rights. Yes 100% no trial no rights just gone.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't think locking people up for the rest of their lives just because they're might possibly one day go from a sympathiser to a terrorist is a good idea.

So, Hopkins is right then!

A final solution it is.

(No, not really).

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:32 pm

claret3561 wrote:Dissapear just gone, like the 22 people in Manchester. You want to wake up and smell the coffee, these people you are defending are at war with us and your just sitting back and defending their rights. Yes 100% no trial no rights just gone.

When is your next EDL meeting?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:33 pm

claret3561 wrote:Dissapear just gone, like the 22 people in Manchester. You want to wake up and smell the coffee, these people you are defending are at war with us and your just sitting back and defending their rights. Yes 100% no trial no rights just gone.

It's people like you I'm defending you dumb ****. The right to not have someone say to the police "claret3561 is a terrorist, look at who he associates with" and then have the police lock you up with no trial because suddenly you're a threat.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:34 pm

Oh f^^k me bluelabrador is here.

The paranoiameter is now officially off the scale.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:36 pm

claret3561 wrote:Dissapear just gone, like the 22 people in Manchester. You want to wake up and smell the coffee, these people you are defending are at war with us and your just sitting back and defending their rights. Yes 100% no trial no rights just gone.

A masterpiece in stupidity.
Clearly, well to those with a fully-functioning brain, the guy most certainly is NOT defending the rights of the people behind the killings, he's defending the rights of ordinary, innocent people. They may have a different faith, be of a different colour but those are not grounds, in a so-called civilised society like ours, for locking them up.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:36 pm

Braindead wrote:Oh f^^k me bluelabrador is here.

The paranoiameter is now officially off the scale.

Just ignore him/her.

Everyone else does.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:37 pm

I think CM, that your assumption that people are not as angry as you is about as wrong as you can get.

Difference between you and me (and a hell of a lot of others I suspect) is that we know that there are things we can do that will make it worse, and those things have to be avoided at all costs as the consequences don't just end there.

Simon Pegg summed it up really well on twitter. She's printed her tweet, then deleted it, but everyone screen grabbing it does all her work for her. ignore her, don't give her the oxygen of publicity and she will just fade away.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:42 pm

Interesting number of people opting to look like complete idiots on this thread rather than being prepared to condemn Hopkins for what she very clearly is. Very telling.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:43 pm

Yeah, pro-Hopkins, anti-islam, anti-european

Little Englanders at best, BNP/EDL members at worst

claret3561 · Post by **claret3561** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:45 pm

Thanks for defending me IT but I'm prepared to look after myself if it means getting rid of these Isis **** not just from our shores but from every crevice they hide in

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:45 pm

The evil facist bitch that goes by the name of Hopkins has again got what she wants - more publicity.

She seizes on tragedies like this to say something controversial.

Very calculating - can't believe that people are actually supporting her. Actually I can - as there are some pretty stupid people about - like those who thought Final Solution was the latest version of Assassins Creed !

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:46 pm

Bacchus wrote:Interesting number of people opting to look like complete idiots on this thread rather than being prepared to condemn Hopkins for what she very clearly is. Very telling.

I don't think that looking like complete idiots is something they've opted to do.....

claret3561 · Post by **claret3561** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:49 pm

fidelcastro wrote:When is your next EDL meeting?

Are you telling me they're not at war with us or have you just got a better solution. I'd love to hear it.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:51 pm

Nope, ISIS are at war with us. And everybody else (apart from Saudi)

Have i got a better solution?

I have actually, we stick to what makes us different from them, rather than trying to change into something that will give them far more supporters than they have at the moment.

i think mine is a better plan that yours put it that way.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:53 pm

claret3561 wrote:Thanks for defending me IT but I'm prepared to look after myself if it means getting rid of these Isis **** not just from our shores but from every crevice they hide in

You might be willing to give up your freedom to get rid of them, but I'm not.

You can't look after yourself though, your posts on here have proven that. If you get what you want then it's people like you that would end up in prison. If you understood this then you wouldn't be making the argument you're making. So you need people like me to look after your rights for you, much like how parents have to look after children by protecting them from themselves.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:53 pm

why do all libtards get angry when questioned about their values?

So being championes of open borders, multiculturalism, positive descriminarion and ramming it down everyone's throats isn't assisting the current world in which we live in really?

No matter how wrong their ideology actually is?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:56 pm

claret3561 wrote:Are you telling me they're not at war with us or have you just got a better solution. I'd love to hear it.

Where did i say they weren't at war with us?

And when I say "they", I obviously mean ISIS (or whatever they're calling themselves this week). Not all Muslims.

I said further up the thread, that there are no easy answers, but some of the right wing bilge on here, and of course from Hopkins is far from helpful.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:58 pm

Why can RIght Whingers not see that blowing up the world might cause a few people to be pee'd off?

Being champions of drone strikes, making people fear blue skies, decrimininrion (sp) and ramming anti Muslim sentiment down everyone throats isn't assisting the current world we live in really?

No matter how wrong their ideology has been proven to be?

P.s thanks for creating ISIS btw.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:59 pm

Right_winger wrote:why do all libtards get angry when questioned about their values?

So being championes of open borders, multiculturalism, positive descriminarion and ramming it down everyone's throats isn't assisting the current world in which we live in really?

No matter how wrong their ideology actually is?

This doesn't actually make sense.

I do like the "championes" bit, though.............

claret3561 · Post by **claret3561** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Nope, ISIS are at war with us. And everybody else (apart from Saudi)

Have i got a better solution?

I have actually, we stick to what makes us different from them, rather than trying to change into something that will give them far more supporters than they have at the moment.

i think mine is a better plan that yours put it that way.

So we sit back and take the high moral ground whilst they murder our children. Top plan good luck with it.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:04 pm

Who's sitting back?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:07 pm

claret3561 wrote:So we sit back and take the high moral ground whilst they murder our children. Top plan good luck with it.

Have you got your AK47 at the ready?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:08 pm

Whose taking the moral high ground?

Do you have any idea at all what happens when countries decide that "**** this, we'll create special laws for certain groups" Just google the Nuremberg laws ffs

This isn't a night out with your mates, having a beer and boasted about who can be the biggest tool, its something that will affect the whole population of this country if its not done right.

And I've got kids, and I want them to grow up in the country that I grew up in, which is a tolerant, free and democratic.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:09 pm

claret3561 wrote:So we sit back and take the high moral ground whilst they murder our children. Top plan good luck with it.

Any solution is better than your solutions which is to give these people exactly what they want. You're basically an appeaser.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:13 pm

claret3561 wrote:Dissapear just gone, like the 22 people in Manchester. You want to wake up and smell the coffee, these people you are defending are at war with us and your just sitting back and defending their rights. Yes 100% no trial no rights just gone.

Have you ever thought why would a muslim immigrant blow himself up at such a high profile event?

It isn't likely to bring down the state, terrorists do it precisely so people will blame all muslims and immigrants and treat them like terrorists.

They do it to spread ignorance, fear, distrust and prejudice and they look to put the blame on their own people to divide them from the societies they now reside in.

You do realise that by taking up and pushing the agenda of the terrorists you add to the problem which makes you complicit?

I'd "100% no trial no rights just gone" YOU for being such a mindless moron.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:15 pm

Remember that the terrorist attacks in the Uk have all been done by British Citizens.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:16 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Any solution is better than your solutions which is to give these people exactly what they want. You're basically an appeaser.

I am not convinced for one second they want us to start making their border travel more difficult, nor am I convinced they want us to start deporting or imprisoning their sympathizers/preachers, nor am I convinced they want us to make our Muslim communities do more to root out the evil that hides inside them, nor am I convinced that they want us to get more liberal and secular values into those communities.

In fact, I think all those things are exactly what ISIS don;t want.

But thats what me and people like me want. So don't call us the appeasers, its you that are the appeasers if anybody. The ones who want to go on as normal, not shout about it, and do nothing that could prompt any change.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:20 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Remember that the terrorist attacks in the Uk have all been done by British Citizens.

What about the IRA bombings then? Were they "British"

Let's be honest the ISIS claimed bombings have been done by people of Muslim descent who's family have emigrated to this country.