The political leaders debate tonight.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:03 am

dermotdermot wrote:Only at the last minute, IT. A tactical ploy.

Theresa May could have chosen to attent at any point before Corbyn, if she wished. And as has been pointed out, calling the election at a time when she expected to win in a massive landslide was also a tactical ploy.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:07 am

HatfieldClaret wrote:I can just see you sitting there counting the words....

I don't do Twitter, we all know what too many tweets make.

No mate, i'm quite IT literate so i can simply copy-pasta into Word and it tells me. It also tells me I can't spell for ****.

And you should do Twitter more. I think its brevity is exactly what you need.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:18 am

HankinsHeader wrote:Shock horror Caroline Lucas actually talking about a green issue .... then says we should ignore the US, what a joke, small minded politics from the worst type of career politician

Not sure anyone connected with the Greens can be accused of being a career politician, unless you mean 'short and very risky' career!

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:24 am

Mrs May visited a friend of my mum's workplace today. In advance of this 'drop in' every member of staff were 'interviewed' in relation to their political allegiances and also had to present their mobiles to her security detail for 'security checks'.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:01 am

I couldn't find a channel to watch it live on, I've since watched it all on the tube of you - what a waste of my time ! Petty squabbles r us

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:01 am

ClaretDiver wrote:Mrs May visited a friend of my mum's workplace today. In advance of this 'drop in' every member of staff were 'interviewed' in relation to their political allegiances and also had to present their mobiles to her security detail for 'security checks'.

With what's been going on lately that's probably not a bad idea.

You're right Vegas, it was rather petty and a total waste of time. Even for rent a mob outside. Not sure where they found the audience though.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:18 am

Corbyn didn't do himself any harm, but it's a missed opportunity there, if he was better on the night he could have won more ground. Tories the biggest losers on the night, sending Amber Rudd, whose Dad just died on Monday shows a weakness from Theresa May that undecided voters won't like at all.

Angus Robertson was pretty good as was Caroline Lucas, Lucas probably more so. Farron's a knob but had a few funny one liners. Wood, Nuttall and Rudd were poor, Corbyn just above them three.
The format doesn't really work with seven there, it's too shouty, too disorganised, the chairwoman was poor at keeping control.

Crowd was definitely more left than right, either that or the right wingers thought Rudd and Nuttall were shite like the rest of us.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:37 am

Not sure how anyone could claim to have come out of that dross as done well. Lasted less than 10 minutes due to the awful setting up, being allowed to shout over each other and a hand picked typical BBC audience.

The only thing more amusing is hamstead's crazy warped comments on anything tory,

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:44 am

Hatfield, my apologies as I wrote that at some godforsaken insomniac hour. What I failed to add was that anyone who claimed to support Labour was asked to leave the offices whilst she did her tour....

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:44 am

The audience was hand picked but not by the BBC, apparently.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:00 am

It was like the worst episode of 15 to 1 imaginable. Really unimpressed with new style of 'debate' where it appears interrupting, jeering and ridiculing by both combatants and audience alike is perfectly acceptable. A complete lack of manners and etiquette by people you'd like to think know how to conduct themselves.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:00 am

dermotdermot wrote:It was a fairly neutral crowd but Corbyn's supporters will always make more noise. He didn't sway the audience. He was mundane.

At the beginning it was explained that the audience was a mix people with differing views (overall neutral but individually partisan) and you could see that when jeers and applause were issued - it seemed half applauded whilst the other half didn't. There were jeers and laughs in the same way.

Overall it was another ineffective programme with too many interruptions and more than one person speaking. In the end the point that the Conservatives are making - the threat of the 'coalition of chaos' - is the only conclusion I can draw.

It could well be that, like Cameron and the Referendum, May has ballsed up by calling this election and we may end up in a bigger political mess then before. Where we go from there who knows.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:03 am

The idea of TV debates like this came from America (I think)

The difference is they have 2 leaders debating, not 7.

Its annoying when an audience members asks a question which was clearly aimed at Corbyn or Rudd, and the presenter sent the question to the Greens so they could have a chance to talk

They should have this debate with just the 3 main parties. Have separate debates in Scotland and Wales

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:10 am

108.claretdom...'and a hand picked typical BBC audience..'

More misinformation...not a single person was selected by the BBC - they were all chosen by an agency who vetted them all, in an attempt to get a 'balanced' audience.

you say...'The only thing more amusing is hamstead's crazy warped comments on anything tory' - glad I'm keeping you amused; to stop me thinking that that was a just a cheap insult with no backing, [typical of some politicians in this election..

] I'm sure you can provide me with some examples of what you say. If you can't do that I would say it's yet another empty post from you, and I must be getting under your skin.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:12 am

Corky wrote:The audience was hand picked but not by the BBC, apparently.

I don't doubt you but where did you read that?

Also, even if you're right it's never going to stop this clown from claiming an audience is biased. He thinks BBC Execs should be sacked over it http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/n ... -audience/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:17 am

Inchy wrote:The idea of TV debates like this came from America (I think)

The difference is they have 2 leaders debating, not 7.

Its annoying when an audience members asks a question which was clearly aimed at Corbyn or Rudd, and the presenter sent the question to the Greens so they could have a chance to talk

They should have this debate with just the 3 main parties. Have separate debates in Scotland and Wales

Conservatives, Labour and the SNP?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:19 am

9...'What I failed to add was that anyone who claimed to support Labour was asked to leave the offices whilst she did her tour....'

Just unbelievable...well..maybe not. Any resident Tories on here can hazard a guess why this sort of 'cleansing' process is taking place?

I guess it wouldn't look good would it, if a stray Labour voter from 'SUPPLIES' asked her a difficult question while she's wandering about glad-handing, what with all those TV cameras there and everything.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:27 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:9...'What I failed to add was that anyone who claimed to support Labour was asked to leave the offices whilst she did her tour....'

Just unbelievable...well..maybe not. Any resident Tories on here can hazard a guess why this sort of 'cleansing' process is taking place?

I guess it wouldn't look good would it, if a stray Labour voter from 'SUPPLIES' asked her a difficult question while she's wandering about glad-handing, what with all those TV cameras there and everything.

Why don't you use the quote function?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:28 am

115..can I answer that..?

I heard that comment last night, and I believe I heard it on Sky News who were reviewing the earlier BBC programme.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:29 am

hampsteadclaret wrote:108.claretdom...'and a hand picked typical BBC audience..'

More misinformation...not a single person was selected by the BBC - they were all chosen by an agency who vetted them all, in an attempt to get a 'balanced' audience.

you say...'The only thing more amusing is hamstead's crazy warped comments on anything tory' - glad I'm keeping you amused; to stop me thinking that that was a just a cheap insult with no backing, [typical of some politicians in this election.. ] I'm sure you can provide me with some examples of what you say. If you can't do that I would say it's yet another empty post from you, and I must be getting under your skin.

Just read you various replies to people, to help narrow it down it is the ones where you tend to start :-

69..

72..
81..

Probably due to being unable to quote people directly, as for getting under my skin you are way off the mark. If you were getting under my skin I would avoid your posts where as I actually open these hoping you have responded, I enjoy your insular warped comments due to me imagining you frothing while hammering your keyboard. Keep it up.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:48 am

I'll quote anyway I like.

114 - I clearly asked you to provide me with some examples of what you had said; you've failed to do that as I knew you would..

'insular warped comments' you say..

Go on then I'm a fair bloke...I'll give you another chance...give me three examples of my 'insular warped comments' and I'll have a good look at them to see if you're correct.

[tip. I hope I don't put 'insular warped comments' on here,... though I may write stuff down that you just don't like].

Right..put up or shut up.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:55 am

Again you misunderstood, I don't want you to change anything so there is no need for me to highlight every post you make, just carry on as you are I like it.

We just need a dangerous chihuahua thread from you for the full house.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:11 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Conservatives, Labour and the SNP?

Interesting point IT - and I'm certain that it has been discussed on this forum previously, but I still get annoyed that I cant vote for the SNP here in Bedfordshire if I wanted to because they're not a national party...

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:14 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't doubt you but where did you read that?

Also, even if you're right it's never going to stop this clown from claiming an audience is biased. He thinks BBC Execs should be sacked over it http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/n ... -audience/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

audience was picked by ComRes.

i don't think it really matters whether the audience is biased. it was clearly a more tory audience on the sky/channel 4 debate the other day but corbyn fared far better than may.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:28 am

122...I didn't misunderstand anything.

You suggest that I make....'insular warped comments'.

Twice I asked you give me some examples of those comments, and twice you ran away.

Have it your way.

FAIL

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Why don't you use the quote function?

I think that Hampers is setting himself up as some sort of demi god. Looking down from aloft. A prime example of a socialist moving too far to the left and embracing fascism. Hopefully he is being closely monitored.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:05 pm

dermotdermot wrote: A prime example of a socialist moving too far to the left and embracing fascism.

I've not been following his posts. What's he said that is of a fascist nature? He a fan of internment?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:13 pm

dermot dermot...another one..like that bloke above who ran away when challenged twice...I asked him a fair question...answer was there none.

Let's see what you do..you said - 'I think that Hampers is setting himself up as some sort of demi god. Looking down from aloft. A prime example of a socialist moving too far to the left and embracing fascism'..

What?!..

Give me three example of where I have embraced fascism then..?

You won't be able to find one example.

Then you can apologise for writing that stuff....you know..just completely inventing it.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:14 pm

A comment based on a previous thread that I haven't the time to find. I have to be in Salisbury by one.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:16 pm

I've e-mailed Rowls to get on the case.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:19 pm

Another one who legs it having gobbed off.

You're pathetic..but then you know that.

- 'A comment based on a previous thread that I haven't the time to find'...you would be looking all day..

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:31 pm

Another one who makes insulting comments online but wouldn't dare face to face.

You're a coward.... but you know that.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:32 pm

What's this obsession with face to face?

Who gives a toss. Put your egos away.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:38 pm

What I got from last night's debate is yet again is it's all smoke and mirrors for the Tories (I've seen better smoke and mirror acts on Britain's Got Talent). They got away with it with Camoron because he was a very good orator and salesman. May and their ilk aren't. I just think that the entire Tory campaign has showed their arrogance towards the electorate in general

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:45 pm

dermotdermot wrote:I've e-mailed Rowls to get on the case.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:54 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:What's this obsession with face to face?

Who gives a toss. Put your egos away.

And some posters on here have got more faces than the town hall clock haven't they !?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:55 pm

In your view mate.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:55 pm

Legged it - ran off, we are one post away from hamstead telling someone to jog on, the tory hater.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:58 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:In your view mate.

Put it this way "it will be your claret on an imploding Trex jew diver"

You've got so many log ins and user names .

When you say you're trying to be Frank.

You mean it literally !!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:04 pm

I'm amazed if anyone thought it would be anything other then a lot of shouting and interrupting each other resulting in any decent points being lost most of the time.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:13 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Put it this way "claret on an imploding Trex jew diver"

You've got so many log ins and user names .

When you say you're trying to be Frank.

You mean it literally !!

By this post are you trying to insinuate that I am one of the aliases????

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:27 pm

ClaretDiver wrote:By this post are you trying to insinuate that I am one of the aliases????

Don't try to deny it. He can see right through you. me. us.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:28 pm

Come on ClaretDiver embrace our unison.

We are one.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:33 pm

We are the Bored.
You will be assimilated.
Your political and intellectual distinctiveness will be added to our own.
Resistence is recommended.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:43 pm

Using different names is weird.

But at least you've got each other.!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:44 pm

It's funny that Ringo genuinely believes this.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:50 pm

AndrewJB wrote:During the '83 election the Tories started out with a poll lead and increased it as the days went by. That's not happening in this election, and if anything the momentum is definitely with Labour. On the one hand the Tories have fought the election under Crosby's stewardship (he lost elections in Canada and London recently), and on the other Corbyn has come across better than many people had thought, and the Labour manifesto has given everyone a clearly different option to Tory austerity. Whatever the outcome the lazy mantra of Corbyn being 'useless' won't wash anymore.

Speaking of Lynton Crosby, this campaign reminds me of the shockingly bad Mayoral election campaign he ran where his tactics, particularly the focus on the opposition rather than his own candidate and their policies, made the opposition more and more popular.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:53 pm

- well you two above...the ones chucking the abuse about, and then unable to back it up with a single example..

You found evidence of me being a fascist yet dermot..? [I've never been called a fascist in my life..

] so perhaps you're off the mark.

Lame the pair of you, you remind me of this Tory campaign.

Anyway..I'll keep the doors open 'til midnight, that should give you enough time - then I'm locking you out..

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:55 pm

Brilliant, Ringo genuinely does believe we are as one!!!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:56 pm

You can tell who lost by looking at who is complaining about either the audience, the moderation, or the questions.

The audience was the most leftwing audience ever seen, according Fuckface von Clownstick himself
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