Another car crash for diane abbott

[BleedingClaret]

I'm not deflecting. We don't know she's not good enough to be Home Secretary, only that she's awful on TV. But we do know that Theresa May isn't good enough to be Prime Minister based what she's actually done in that job, not based on how bad she is on TV. That's ntot o say i'm comfortable with Abbott as Home Secretary, but i find it hard to believe that she can **** it up as royally as Theresa May has.

You know what is amazing is that May has been that bad in this election campaign that Labour could have won.
May called the election because there was no credible opposition in the hope of a landslide, and believed she could just do soundbites and in reality she is close to a disaster.
If there had been a Labour Coup and say David Milliband as leader with Andy Burnham as Shadow Home Secretary I think Labour would have won.

[Imploding Turtle]

You know what is amazing is that May has been that bad in this election campaign that Labour could have won.
May called the election because there was no credible opposition in the hope of a landslide, and believed she could just do soundbites and in reality she is close to a disaster.
If there had been a Labour Coup and say David Milliband as leader with Andy Burnham as Shadow Home Secretary I think Labour would have won.

If we didn't have such a toxic, hate-filled press then Labour would have won. I've never seen a politician receive so much hate in the British press as Corbyn. I thought Ed Miliband had it bad but **** me, look what happens when a real socialist threatens the order of things for the ultra-capitalists.

And if either David Miliband or Andy Burnham had been in charge there wouldn't have been an election. May wouldn't have called for one because the media wouldn't have hated them anywhere near as much as a socialist.

[Guich]

I think you're right - but then I don't think she'd have called the election

[BleedingClaret]

If we didn't have such a toxic, hate-filled press then Labour would have won. I've never seen a politician receive so much hate in the British press as Corbyn. I thought Ed Miliband had it bad but **** me, look what happens when a real socialist threatens the order of things for the ultra-capitalists.

And if either David Miliband or Andy Burnham had been in charge there wouldn't have been an election. May wouldn't have called for one because the media wouldn't have hated them anywhere near as much as a socialist.

That's why I said Labour could have staged a Coup once the election had been called.

[BleedingClaret]

I've never voted Tory in my life and would by nature vote Labour on the basic principle of looking after the people first rather than the country and it's establishments if that makes sense.
I can't vote for Corbyn or I won't. I suspect theres many like me.
The press have actually created a contest where there wasn't one partly because May went into hiding and they need to have a story to sell advertising.
Corbyn, with all the coverage is viewed better now than he was at the start of the campaign.
His downfall is his past more so than his present.
In power he'd just revert imo

[claretandy]

Doesn't look that unwell to me.

[Lancasterclaret]

In all fairness Andy, at least she is seen in public.

Compare that to May genuinely looking terrified everytime she is out of her comfort zone.

Both equally useless btw

[BleedingClaret]

In all fairness Andy, at least she is seen in public.

Compare that to May genuinely looking terrified everytime she is out of her comfort zone.

Both equally useless btw

hardly comparable

[Imploding Turtle]

hardly comparable

To what, as PM not bothering to turn up to a debate in an election you called?

[RocketLawnChair]

I'm not deflecting. We don't know she's not good enough to be Home Secretary, only that she's awful on TV. But we do know that Theresa May isn't good enough to be Prime Minister based what she's actually done in that job, not based on how bad she is on TV. That's ntot o say i'm comfortable with Abbott as Home Secretary, but i find it hard to believe that she can **** it up as royally as Theresa May has.

Public perception in politics is everything IT. I'm not going to believe Diane Abbot is a going to be a good Home Secretary just because Jeremy Corbyn tells me she will be, I need to see her in action. She needs to install her own self confidence in the subject matter (terrorism in this instance) into the Great British Public. She fails miserably at every turn.

[Imploding Turtle]

Public perception in politics is everything IT. I'm not going to believe Diane Abbot is a going to be a good Home Secretary just because Jeremy Corbyn tells me she will be, I need to see her in action. She needs to install her own self confidence in the subject matter (terrorism in this instance) into the Great British Public. She fails miserably at every turn.

But then why are you focusing on the lack of confidence Abbott instils in us and not the complete absense of it being instilled by the actual Prime Minister?

[South West Claret.]

If people genuinely want a decent and fairer society try asking yourselves this, which present party will be totally committed to delivering that society in Government.

Time to grow up more and prioritise your thinking all.

[Lancasterclaret]

Its only "hardly comparable" if you don't want to compare it!

May has been in charge for about a year, and called this election. Called it expecting a landslide with little or no thought into her policies, and thought she could get away with it.

She still might, but she's been badly damaged by this.

[RocketLawnChair]

But then why are you focusing on the lack of confidence Abbott instils in us and not the complete absense of it being instilled by the actual Prime Minister?

I've not mentioned the PM in my post as the thread is about Diane Abbots appearance on Sky News last night. IMO Mays campaign as been nothing short of disastrous.

I've held a vote for 25 years and the fact I am literally undecided 2 days before the GE says more about them than it does about me IT.

[Imploding Turtle]

Fair point.

[BleedingClaret]

To what, as PM not bothering to turn up to a debate in an election you called?

if you had to choose 1 of them as a personal secretary, duties to include doing your books and initial point of contact for your clients................

[BleedingClaret]

Its only "hardly comparable" if you don't want to compare it!

May has been in charge for about a year, and called this election. Called it expecting a landslide with little or no thought into her policies, and thought she could get away with it.

She still might, but she's been badly damaged by this.

Agree, but it is not comparable to Abbott, she's a mess right now.

[Imploding Turtle]

if you had to choose 1 of them as a personal secretary, duties to include doing your books and initial point of contact for your clients................

I would choose the one that hasn't ever been my personal secretary, even though she sounds like an idiot, over the one who has been my secretary in the past but set fire to the building.

[BleedingClaret]

That's Clever....
but on the subject of fire...
Liar, Liar Bum's on Fire

[Imploding Turtle]

That's Clever....
but on the subject of fire...
Liar, Liar Bum's on Fire

It makes sense, doesn't it? You'd hire the one who might be terrible over the one you know actually is terrible. wouldn't you?

[BleedingClaret]

I would choose the one that hasn't ever been my personal secretary, even though she sounds like an idiot, over the one who has been my secretary in the past but set fire to the building.

That's experience and she'd know not to do it again and The idiot would be in support of arsonist as a down trodden mis understood bunch.

[BleedingClaret]

It makes sense, doesn't it? You'd hire the one who might be terrible over the one you know actually is terrible. wouldn't you?

No, and if I was trying to become PM she wouldn't be anywhere near my campaign...
In fact I'd Intern her to prove I was tough on.... er on whatever she is.....

[Imploding Turtle]

That's experience and she'd know not to do it again and The idiot would be in support of arsonist as a down trodden mis understood bunch.

[nil_desperandum]

if you had to choose 1 of them as a personal secretary, duties to include doing your books and initial point of contact for your clients................

Very good point. I'd most likely choose May, but the problem is that she's asking people if she can continue to lead the country, not act as someone's PA.
She pretty much told us at the outset that this election was about her personal leadership and standing, and that she needed a personal mandate to take the country forward.
She has then proceeded to demonstrate to us how totally inadequate and ill-suited to this task she is. Anyone who is - by instinct - a Labour voter, should think really carefully before giving her a huge mandate to lead us through these challenging times, no matter what your views on Mr Corbyn.

[jlup1980]

If we didn't have such a toxic, hate-filled press then Labour would have won. I've never seen a politician receive so much hate in the British press as Corbyn. I thought Ed Miliband had it bad but **** me, look what happens when a real socialist threatens the order of things for the ultra-capitalists.

And if either David Miliband or Andy Burnham had been in charge there wouldn't have been an election. May wouldn't have called for one because the media wouldn't have hated them anywhere near as much as a socialist.

I don't always agree with what you say IT, but this is absolutely on the button, 100%. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[BleedingClaret]

Very good point. I'd most likely choose May, but the problem is that she's asking people if she can continue to lead the country, not act as someone's PA.
She pretty much told us at the outset that this election was about her personal leadership and standing, and that she needed a personal mandate to take the country forward.
She has then proceeded to demonstrate to us how totally inadequate and ill-suited to this task she is. Anyone who is - by instinct - a Labour voter, should think really carefully before giving her a huge mandate to lead us through these challenging times, no matter what your views on Mr Corbyn.

Agree, but she's the best of a bad bunch and I seriously think a lightening Labour coup could have toppled her, even Farage back as UKIP leader could have taken chunks out of her vote, they may even have gotten the Tories into another Coalition position, probably not but that would have livened up the Brexit talks.

[KateR]

Hopefully Corbyn doesn't keep her on in his shadow cabinet, or elevate her to the cabinet, after the election. But just because she doesn't interview well doesn't mean she'd be as disasterous as Theresa May was as Home Secretary. But there has to be someone better, surely.

Still voting Labour of course. There's no other viable option.

There are much more credible options; voting for the labour party leadership is wrong on so many levels but we all have our opinions. I will vote Tory to try and ensure these people are not in power and more importantly that after the election the party removes this leadership and provides a credible viable option to the Tory's in the future.

[BleedingClaret]

I don't know if May's behavior has been on advice, but it's would be Political suicide if their was a real fight on.

[TonbridgeClaret]

I am, sadly, old enough to remember what happened on 3 separate occasions when the Labour government was running this country. 1964 to 1970 Harold Wilson government - ended with the economy in tatters and the country broke; 1974 to 1979 Harold Wilson/James Callaghan government - ended with the economy in tatters and the country broke; 1997 to 2010 Tony Blair/Gordon Brown government - ended with the economy in tatters and the country broke.
I fully understand how plausible Corbyn and co sound with their promises of money for every government department but take a look at history.

[DCWat]

I am, sadly, old enough to remember what happened on 3 separate occasions when the Labour government was running this country. 1964 to 1970 Harold Wilson government - ended with the economy in tatters and the country broke; 1974 to 1979 Harold Wilson/James Callaghan government - ended with the economy in tatters and the country broke; 1997 to 2010 Tony Blair/Gordon Brown government - ended with the economy in tatters and the country broke.
I fully understand how plausible Corbyn and co sound with their promises of money for every government department ugh take a look at history.

Most right minded people would be all for most of the proposals within Labour's manifesto. It's a kid at Christmas writing their list from all the lovely things in the catalogue, without realising that Mum and Dad has a budget.

This is perhaps Labour's biggest issue. How can they be trusted to deliver on all these great things with such a track record.

[Walton]

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[nil_desperandum]

And here's another figure:
£850 billion - the amount the last Labour Govt spent bailing out the banks.
It makes their current spending plans seem modest by comparison.

[bfcjg]

The old saying " show me your company and I'll tell you who you are" is so true in this election. Corbyn has such trust and faith in the car crash Abbott, May has such faith in Bumbling Boris and a lot of the others are no better on both sides. I worry for the future of the country when this is all we have to select from and as Rocketlawnchair said it says more about politicians then us that so many are undecided.I think what this election has shown is the need for a drastic rethink and perhaps a new party not tied up in dogma to recapture the middleground but one where right and left views are at home.

[BleedingClaret]

And here's another figure:
£850 billion - the amount the last Labour Govt spent bailing out the banks.
It makes their current spending plans seem modest by comparison.

This is the Reason for Austerity.

[BleedingClaret]

The old saying " show me your company and I'll tell you who you are" is so true in this election. Corbyn has such trust and faith in the car crash Abbott, May has such faith in Bumbling Boris and a lot of the others are no better on both sides. I worry for the future of the country when this is all we have to select from and as Rocketlawnchair said it says more about politicians then us that so many are undecided.I think what this election has shown is the need for a drastic rethink and perhaps a new party not tied up in dogma to recapture the middleground but one where right and left views are at home.

Again Comparing Abbott to Boris is daft. He is about a billion times brighter than her.
May will have paid him off as part f her path to the leadership,Foreign secretary gets him out of the way.
Corbyn has chosen dopey Diane
Maybe a referendum party, which would be direct democracy not representative.

[nil_desperandum]

Again Comparing Abbott to Boris is daft. He is about a billion times brighter than her.

That's not borne out by her high level of academic achievement, and I'm not certain his comments or behaviour support that statement either. Nor is he any more honest than she is. He's renowned for telling "whoppers".
e.g. He still says there's £350 million for the NHS, even though even Farage admitted it was false.

[BleedingClaret]

That's not borne out by her high level of academic achievement, and I'm not certain his comments or behaviour support that statement either. Nor is he any more honest than she is. He's renowned for telling "whoppers".
e.g. He still says there's £350 million for the NHS, even though even Farage admitted it was false.

Being thick myself i have an issue with the rewarding of academic achievement with genuine status rights.
Academic. not of practical relevance; of only theoretical interest.
I wasn't celebrating Boris I was deriding Abbott, as I said in a previous post, she has never been more than Bluster, when at her sharpest.

[starting_11]

To what, as PM not bothering to turn up to a debate in an election you called?

And no doubt if it was corbin not turning up, you'd be banging on about the americanisation of elections

[claretdom]

I have missed all turtles posts about Sturgeon not showing up I take it ?

[dsr]

That's not borne out by her high level of academic achievement, and I'm not certain his comments or behaviour support that statement either. Nor is he any more honest than she is. He's renowned for telling "whoppers".
e.g. He still says there's £350 million for the NHS, even though even Farage admitted it was false.

Listening specifically to her interview last night, Abbott's brain power was extremely limited, regardless of what her academic record suggests. She came across like an 8 year old trying to bluff through the absence of homework, unable to realise how completely she had been caught.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's more than just inability to be a politician - she's been in the job long enough to have more idea than that. I reckon the stress/pressure has got to her and she just can't do the job any more. (Not to say she would ever have been a good Home Secretary, but she could surely have carried it off better than that.)

But that (to put it bluntly) is her problem. She may very well need a complete sabbatical, away from politics, and good luck to her if that's it - but the country has to come first. She is close to power, and she is a disaster waiting to happen, and unless and until we are told that she won't be in the Cabinet under Corbyn, we have to assume she will.

[aggi]

Breaking news, dianne abbott has pulled out of woman's hour due to being "unwell".

She should have taken lessons from the current PM and just told them that she couldn't be bothered.

It is noticeable how the Conservatives have been very on track at hiding their weak performers. I'm a little concerned that Jeremy Hunt has been kidnapped and hidden away somewhere so little has been seen of him.

[UpTheBeehole]

Listening specifically to her interviews throughout the campaign trail, Theresa May's brain power was extremely limited, regardless of what her academic record suggests. She came across like an 8 year old trying to bluff through the absence of homework, unable to realise how completely she had been caught.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's more than just inability to be a politician - she's been in the job long enough to have more idea than that. I reckon the stress/pressure has got to her and she just can't do the job any more. (She was Home Secretary for a number of years, and completely failed, leading to our current problem with understaffed police forces leading to a significant rise in terrorism)

But that (to put it bluntly) is her problem. She may very well need a complete sabbatical, away from politics, and good luck to her if that's it - but the country has to come first. She has power, and is utterly disastrous, and unless Labour win on Thursday, we have to assume she will continue to be as disastrous.

Just made a few changes for you dsr

[Imploding Turtle]

And no doubt if it was corbin not turning up, you'd be banging on about the americanisation of elections

No. Just because you might be a hypocrite doesn't mean everyone else it like you.

[starting_11]

NO one is like me.

That's why everyones a thick **** like you

[COYC73]

See post 42.

See post 32

[dsr]

I don't quite know what a quote function is all about, but I misuse it enough, the quote option will no doubt be taken off the board again which will spoil it for everyone else.

That the sort of thing you have in mind?

[Imploding Turtle]

NO one is like me.

That's why everyones a thick **** like you

Cry more mate. If you assume someone is a hypocrite incorrectly then i think it's perfectly fair to assume that the reason you believed that of them is because you believe that of yourself. You assumed i'm inconsistent in my beliefs without any evidence to support it so it's fair to assume that the reason you think that is because that's how you are.

You do know that you could have simply asked what i'd have thought were roles reversed, May attended but not Corbyn, right? So why didn't you?

[nil_desperandum]

Being thick myself i have an issue with the rewarding of academic achievement with genuine status rights.
Academic. not of practical relevance; of only theoretical interest.
.

I totally agree that academic achievement shouldn't be regarded as yardstick for someone's ability, but what I was trying to suggest is that she is not as "thick" as some on here make out.
You simply don't get a degree at Cambridge without being brighter than average. The academic demands of simply getting a place there just about guarantee that she is no fool. (Unfortunately she is not demonstrating a high level of ability or education at present).
[Irrelevant to this, but I was interested to read that one of her Uni lecturers was Simon Schama.]

[IanMcL]

I wrote on here, at the time of her radio conk out, that she sounded unwell. Definitely not get normal self. This latest experience seems to have others actually saying the same thing. It started with a migraine some time back. It could be serious.

[SammyBoy]

Due to ill health apparently..