A good Brexit deal is still the biggest issue.

[lucs86]

Even Corbyn has admitted that lots of the EU workforce were brought in as cheap labour.
Net contributors, doesn't change the fact that we haven't enough houses, school places or hospital beds.
The failure to control Non EU immigration, doesn't change the fact that we need to gain control of our borders and control that along with EU immigration.
The truth is that if we were totally in line with The EU then Shengen would have allowed a route into this country if any of the other EU countries couldn't control their outer borders, and they can't

We aren't in Schengen and we weren't joining. What are you on about?

[lucs86]

Anyone know why Labour be better negotiating the deal than the Tories?

Labour's team haven't spent the last year publicly sh*tmouthing the people they're about start negotiations with.

[Lancasterclaret]

If you don't know what they are, then you shouldn't really be trying to convince people that its better then!

[BleedingClaret]

We aren't in Schengen and we weren't joining. What are you on about?

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I said if we towed the full Euro line, Schengen and the Euro etc, what a mess we would be in.
Setting Europe up as our savior is a joke, we need to be free of their control.
People are championing Europe but it is only our stubbornness on the Euro & Schengen that has saved us from an even greater mess.

[Mala591]

Is this really how you interpret this? As our trump card? From these two figures, there's no part of you thinks Christ. We need their stuff more than they need ours?

We don't NEED to buy BMW and VW cars. There is quite enough choice of cars manufactured/assembled in the UK.

Post brexit we might have to be a little bit more thoughtful and patriotic when choosing consumer products.

Yet another reason why Brexit will be good for the UK.

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh ****, he's serious.

Give me that list of UK owned car companies in the UK please.

[UpTheBeehole]

What about the cars assembled in the UK from parts made in the EU? Corbyn has been clear in stating that these supply chains need to continue as they are.

The Tories wan't to impose tariffs on those things. That will kill the UK car industry.

[aggi]

Oh ****, he's serious.

Give me that list of UK owned car companies in the UK please.

I'm quite looking forward to everyone driving round in Morgans and TVRs.

[quoonbeatz]

We don't NEED to buy BMW and VW cars. There is quite enough choice of cars manufactured/assembled in the UK.
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thats kind of the problem though.

our car industry is heavy on assembly but not so much on parts. its the supply chain that will be hit. why else do you think nissan needed a massive sweetener to keep their plants here? nissan aren't stupid.

there's 3 wholly british car manufacturers and the all make 'luxury' cars.

[Mala591]

thats kind of the problem though.

our car industry is heavy on assembly but not so much on parts. its the supply chain that will be hit. why else do you think nissan needed a massive sweetener to keep their plants here? nissan aren't stupid.

there's 3 wholly british car manufacturers and the all make 'luxury' cars.

EXACTLY

UK and EU manufacturing/assembly is extremely complex and inter-dependent. It will be near impossible to impose import and export tariffs.

SO

We will still have tariff free access to the single market and we will have control over who works/lives in the UK.

JOB DONE!

[Lancasterclaret]

No it won't.

Only if we actually want to do a deal. Which over the last twelve months, the conservative rhetoric suggests that we don't.

[Sidney1st]

I'm quite looking forward to everyone driving round in Morgans and TVRs.

I want a Noble personally.

[boatshed bill]

Surely the welfare of everyone living in this country is very much dependent on a successful exit from the EU?

it's certainly a factor, but a successfully negotiated exit will guarantee nothing in terms of welfare and security.

[dsr]

If you don't know what they are, then you shouldn't really be trying to convince people that its better then!

I don't need to know the details of WTO tariffs are to know that we trade with the USA, Canada, New Zealand, China, India, etc etc under those tariffs. And maybe in future won't have to - New Zealand is awash with dairy products and would be happy to sell them to us tariff-free.

[Lancasterclaret]

Ah, bound to

You seem very reluctant to name WTO tariffs. I wonder why that is?

[Lancasterclaret]

I know that its hard to get detail on a messageboard, but that last question was rhetorical!

[dsr]

Ah, bound to

You seem very reluctant to name WTO tariffs. I wonder why that is?

Does "I don't know the details" not give you a clue? I don't go into details because I don't know the details, and don;t much care. The WTO tariffs are the ones under which we import from and export to the USA and many other countries. The ones that are working now, and which I believe will continue to work. I don't need to know every statistical detail to believe that what worked yesterday will work tomorrow.

[hampsteadclaret]

Why was my thread and fatboy's thread padlocked earlier?

Were they really the most contentious Politics posts on here in the last five weeks..I don't think so.

I can take or leave the Politics stuff myself, but it passes time while we wait for the new football season.

Just as well the Politics threads were on here in recent weeks, or this forum would have seized up.

Check the number of views/clicks...thousands and thousands of them - someone is interested.

Not a single football thread should have been hindered by anything else that is posted on here - there is room for all sorts of posting, it is one of the strengths of this forum.

There really is a limit to how much discussion we can have on here about Burnley FC transfer speculation, and what SD'S next club might be.
- at this time of year there is inevitably less football chat...so there is room for other stuff.

So why was I padlocked? - read it, it's still there. I have been against censorship all my life, and that includes on here.

Pathetic moderating...I couldn't care less if you ban me.

[taio]

Why was my thread and fatboy's thread padlocked earlier?

Were they really the most contentious Politics posts on here in the last five weeks..I don't think so.

I can take or leave the Politics stuff myself, but it passes time while we wait for the new football season.

Just as well the Politics threads were on here in recent weeks, or this forum would have seized up.

Check the number of views/clicks...thousands and thousands of them - someone is interested.

Not a single football thread should have been hindered by anything else that is posted on here - there is room for all sorts of posting, it is one of the strengths of this forum.

There really is a limit to how much discussion we can have on here about Burnley FC transfer speculation, and what SD'S next club might be.
- at this time of year there is inevitably less football chat...so there is room for other stuff.

So why was I padlocked? - read it, it's still there. I have been against censorship all my life, and that includes on here.

Pathetic moderating...I couldn't care less if you ban me.

Don't see why it should have been locked even though it was one of the most unbalanced posts for a while. But then again I don't see why it's necessary to post the above message on four different threads. Suppose you must be angry with the mods.

[Lancasterclaret]

Does "I don't know the details" not give you a clue? I don't go into details because I don't know the details, and don;t much care. The WTO tariffs are the ones under which we import from and export to the USA and many other countries. The ones that are working now, and which I believe will continue to work. I don't need to know every statistical detail to believe that what worked yesterday will work tomorrow.

Why does anyone even bother with free trade deals then?

Oh yeah, because they are better.

How much better?

Well, you are lucky, cos I'm going to use the same argument back to you. I don't need to know the details, they are just better. Much better. better than anything. That much better. Ace in fact.

[hampsteadclaret]

It wasn't meant to be balanced...it was a 'last day' joke more than anything.

There is a load of unbalanced stuff on here [unbalanced in all senses of the word]

Why do you think fatboy had his thread padlocked..?

I posted my post 4 times before I get closed down/banned, and I am angry - why was my stuff shut down with far worse stuff [posters threatening other posters] still up]..?

Censorship and stopping people reading what others have written is rarely a progressive step forward.

[taio]

No it wasn't any worse and, no, I don't think there was any need to lock it. In fact there have been far worse things posted on here - not just political - that survive moderation. Perhaps it was locked in error.

[hampsteadclaret]

Thank you.

[dsr]

Why does anyone even bother with free trade deals then?

Oh yeah, because they are better.

How much better?

Well, you are lucky, cos I'm going to use the same argument back to you. I don't need to know the details, they are just better. Much better. better than anything. That much better. Ace in fact.

But I want a free trade deal with Europe. I agree that free trade is better. I just don't think it's the most important aspect of UK life, and on balance we're better independent without an EU free trade deal, rather than part of the EU with one.

[Lancasterclaret]

I want one as well, but we already have one.

We can't get a free one without a) paying for it or b) signing up to the EU

We've got the best of both worlds now, and we are about to chuck it away.

I know we disagree on this, and we will always disagree, but I've got to shoot off so thought I'd just emphasis the point before I left!

[dsr]

No, a free trade deal with the EU but a raft of tariffs with the rest of the world, is not the best of both worlds. A free trade deal with everyone would be the best of both worlds, and we have a better chance of that (marginally) outside the EU.