Is our transfer inactivity down to an unsettled manager?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:My feeling is that you are either a complete idiot or just on the wind up. Either way you are upsetting several members of this message board which I will not allow to continue.

I needed a laugh...thanks! This HAS to be a wind-up.

There has been a magnificent thread on here over the last couple of days where Zlatan `reached out` regards an actual problem. Many people with big hearts reached out to him (who may very well disagree with him on matters Claret) and offered support. Actual depression, a debilitating condition which destroys lives.

ClaretTony then comes along and suggests ablueclaret`s posts are upsetting members ENOUGH to `not allow it to continue` ON A FOOTBALL message board then they need to get a bloody grip or maybe open a safe zone within uptheclarets (a magnificent website, by the way).

Please tell me, ClaretTony, you were joking.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:54 pm

Its not too hard to believe our slow start in the market could be linked to the speculation that surrounded Dyche over the palace job. Burnley contact agent/club regarding player, player talks to agent, agent tells player Burnleys manager is odds on favorite to leave, player considers more options. A plausible scenario?
Ok so he's stayed now, but how does it look to the outside world? It's easy to say as Burnley fans, who feel we know Dyche well, how loyal he is to our club. But with recent speculation and players leaving the outside picture is we have a manager ready to move to the next challenge and two of our best players have just left with doubts over a couple of others. Surely this could potentially put incoming transfers off?

Too many people looking at this from a Burnley perspective and too many people willing to lay into ablue for very little.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:06 pm

Its a fair point from ablue,

I would much prefer a better playing style but lets see who we bring in. Keane is a big miss going off the last few games of last season.

We need to strengthen sooner rather than later in central defence as a priority.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:32 pm

ablueclaret wrote:DCWat I fancy you worry too much about some on here, they actually revel in having someone to insult, and that's fine by me, better me than their loved one's.
Mind you some could do with a little bit of that Mr Zen that Corbyn is supposed to have found. Poser.

I'd just rather see debate than argument and all the name calling, which too many threads seem to descend into.

You get plenty on here but you do invite it to be fair.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:04 pm

I get the impression that ABC sees himself as a higher intellect than the vast majority on here. Which he may be; he certainly bares the whole-marks of self-righteousness that suggests he feels only his view is correct. It is unfortunate that he wraps his theories in veils of a higher knowledge and understanding, because some of his ideas are worth a moments thought.

Either that or an intelligent - 'theorist' who does not worry himself with digging further than his own gut reaction on any given point. It surprises me not one jot to see he's a Labour member, nor that he's not all for JC - no doubt feeling his own policies would be so much more preferable; all without bothering to look deeper into why Labour took the line they did.... they're simply wrong and him right.

I use message boards to find things out, to challenge my own view or just to chat, things ABC seems to show no interest in..

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:17 pm

No Elwa I'm an existential phenomonologist.

Do you really think I see my views as the only correct ones, that would be an appalling slur on Irritating Turtle, The Saltman from Blackburn, or even KRBC's state funds outpourings.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:20 pm

ablueclaret wrote:No Elwa I'm an existential phenomonologist.

Do you really think I see my views as the only correct ones, that would be an appalling slur on Irritating Turtle, The Saltman from Blackburn, or even KRBC's state funds outpourings.

Ahh! I knew there would be another existential person out there....

Shame your views on Burnley are negative.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:47 pm

ablueclaret wrote:No Elwa I'm an existential phenomonologist.

Do you really think I see my views as the only correct ones, that would be an appalling slur on Irritating Turtle, The Saltman from Blackburn, or even KRBC's state funds outpourings.

Sounds about right. Lofty theories and assumption that don't always concentrate on finding the unknown factors on which large elements of an argument lies then ?
Do you know there was anything in the press link to Crystal Palace?
If so.... are you privy to SD's / Crystal Palace's interest, was it either or both?
Given both, where you involved in the conversation as to the boards position re SD?
Given that the board agreed to let SD pursue the CP job.... did he like everything that he heard ?
Did he go and decide he'd rather wait at Burnley for something else?
Did he decide not to go?

There are so many assumptions, with no sign of evidence, or even reasoning for conclusions in your case I would not expect it to pass a General Studies O level. Maybe you're just on too high a plain for my simple brain.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:47 pm

My views on Burnley aren't negative.
If you look back over the years I've been very supportive of most players, even Easton when he obviously wasn't up to it.
Any criticisms I make have been directed at managers and the Board, the people running the club.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:54 pm

But I'm not trying to pass a General Studies O level, aren't those the ones they gave Northern students for free.
Of course I'm reading between the lines, taking account of the information available and applying a little lateral psychology.
If you think SD wasn't interested in the Palace job fair enough but the evidence we have does not point that way in my opinion.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:59 pm

Easton was your first love wasn't he Ablue?

If I remember rightly along with Eckersley, Edgar and more recently Tarkowski, Smith and Agyei.

I hope for the sake of the latter three that your infatuation bears more fruit.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:08 pm

Not quite DCWat but it's what people like to think.
What I actually said was the three E's should be given their chance.
Eckersley never had that chance, Easton had a huge inferiority complex and looked anything but a footballer, and Edgar also had his mental weakness.
McDonald was the player I really supported if you remember, then Ings who I saw as a rising star when others were calling him a Division 1 player, saying that Vokes and Ings would be a winning partnership, then advocating Mee to be played centre-half which took 18 months to happen.
Yes recently I have advocated playing Tarka as a holding midfielder and Agyei off the bench, both of which have of course happened.
As for Renny Smith yes I fancied he was a decent player and I'd like to have seen him still here, but he has been brave enough to try his hand in Europe so he at least has something going for him.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:13 pm

So in summary abc is always right - I mean, how was he to know that Brian Easton had an inferiority complex?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:18 pm

ablueclaret wrote:But I'm not trying to pass a General Studies O level, aren't those the ones they gave Northern students for free.
Of course I'm reading between the lines, taking account of the information available and applying a little lateral psychology.
If you think SD wasn't interested in the Palace job fair enough but the evidence we have does not point that way in my opinion.

But we don't have any evidence!

Does applying lateral psychology equate to making things up?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:19 pm

Ah yes, I forgot about Kevin McDonald.

I think plenty saw the potential in Ings, perhaps not to the level he achieved, but his talent was there to see.

Plenty definitely saw that Mee was a centre half and not a full back - we were crying out for the switch long before it materialised.

Hopefully Agyei and Tarkowski turn out as well as Ings and Mee

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:20 pm

ablueclaret wrote: McDonald was the player I really supported if you remember, then Ings who I saw as a rising star when others were calling him a Division 1 player, saying that Vokes and Ings would be a winning partnership, then advocating Mee to be played centre-half which took 18 months to happen.

I remember on the old board asking you 14 times consecutively if you had seen Eddie Howe's Burnley team play, in person, before you admitted you hadn't. That is why your opinions then were worth diddly squat. The fact you can now base your opinions on internet streams had given you an iota of credibility, which you have now nicely quashed with your 'evidence' of Dyche being unsettled.

Imploding turtle sticks to his politics, KRBFC sticks to his guns and Saxo sticks to his trolling. At least they have the sense to admit they seek attention, without starting multiple threads until they get a bite.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:22 pm

All I said was Easton deserved a chance, he wasn't able to take it, although he did improve once he went back over the border.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:23 pm

33 appearances would say Easton got a chance.

How the hell would you know he improved when he returned to Scottish football?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:23 pm

ablueclaret wrote:All I said was Easton deserved a chance, he wasn't able to take it, although he did improve once he went back over the border.

In the same way that I improved when I started to play against middle-aged, overweight cloggers.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:25 pm

The same Edgar you were always telling us was some complete midfield general?

Eckersley?
Is he still playing in Canadian football?

As for advocating Mee to be played at CB, that was the position he played when captaining City's cup winning youth team, so you were hardly being insightful.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:26 pm

ablueclaret wrote:But I'm not trying to pass a General Studies O level, aren't those the ones they gave Northern students for free.
Of course I'm reading between the lines, taking account of the information available and applying a little lateral psychology.
If you think SD wasn't interested in the Palace job fair enough but the evidence we have does not point that way in my opinion.

Oh dear me, what a base and transparent attempt at a rise. But I'm not trying to pass a General Studies O level, aren't those the ones they gave Northern students for free

"Reading between the lines" - so absolutely no basis of fact then.
"Lateral psychology" - so how do you analyse someone you only see on TV and radio without any insight into how his mind actually works rather than the impression he gives you - his public persona?

I put to you your opinion bears no semblance to any of the available facts. The facts are a journalist put out a story the rest is conjecture. The number of assumptions you have made is astounding and then to be willing to argue and antagonise those who undoubtedly as much in the loop as yourself strikes me as rather perverse.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:28 pm

It's a really poor character trait when someone can't admit to a mistake. Says a lot about a person.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:29 pm

Alright have it your way, SD never wanted away he is totally committed to this club, players really want to stay with us but are being driven out by money.
If that sounds better to you, then there it is.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:29 pm

Tarks in midfield - we had no one else to play there.

Smith - has dropped lower than Serie B in Italy.

Agyei off the bench - what other options did we have?

You don't half spout some rubbish whilst making yourself out to be some sort of footballing genius/oracle.

All you do is a bit of spread betting and hope some land.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:30 pm

I have a really poor character in fact I'm an omega male , but what is it I have to admit to making a mistake about?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:30 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Alright have it your way, SD never wanted away he is totally committed to this club, players really want to stay with us but are being driven out by money.
If that sounds better to you, then there it is.

You've no proof apart from your opinion that he wants Away.

Players see us a stepping stone where possible or happy to stay if they know they're at their level.
No issue with players following money like Boyd, we'd all do the same.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:31 pm

2 out of three satisfies me Sidney.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:34 pm

No it doesn't, so stop talking ********.

If it did you wouldn't make approx half a dozen miserable critical threads after any loss.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:36 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I have a really poor character in fact I'm an omega male , but what is it I have to admit to making a mistake about?

About 9 or 10 posts above you provide a list of players who you had previously lauded as being key players. It turns out that you were wrong on nearly every count, but seem to have a problem admitting it. It's like you genuinely believe that you are still right, despite the career trajectory of each player proving otherwise. I don't know what an omega male is but I'd suggest narcissist is probably a suitable term.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:38 pm

Rileybobs wrote:About 9 or 10 posts above you provide a list of players who you had previously lauded as being key players. It turns out that you were wrong on nearly every count, but seem to have a problem admitting it. It's like you genuinely believe that you are still right, despite the career trajectory of each player proving otherwise. I don't know what an omega male is but I'd suggest narcissist is probably a suitable term.

I prefer the more apt knobhead. I have evidence he is a knobhead. Brilliantly enough you are looking at it.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:41 pm

When did I say they were key players.
I said the three E's deserved a CHANCE.
I reckoned KM could be a good Premier League player as yet he has not.
I reckoned Ings would be exceptional and was better than Blake, we probably will never know that.
I reckoned Mee should be played at centre half, he has been.
I reckoned Tarka should play as a holding midfielder, he has played there.
I reckoned Agyei was a talent and should be on the bench, that's what happened.
I reckoned Renny could be a good midfielder for us, he hadn't been but I like the fact he has gone abroad to test himself, good on him

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:45 pm

Mee was converted to LB here as a necessity, switched back to CB when required.
You want Tarks in midfield permanently, ain't going to happen.
Agyei - you're not the only one who wanted him on the bench.
Renny- playing at a level below Serie B, meaning he hasn't been testing himself, just trying to drop far enough to find his level.

McDonald - didn't apply himself and has settled in the championship.

The 3 E's weren't good enough for us, see their careers since they left as proof.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:52 pm

I love your put downs Sidney you are the new Lotty.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:56 pm

ablueclaret wrote:When did I say they were key players.
I said the three E's deserved a CHANCE.
I reckoned KM could be a good Premier League player as yet he has not.
I reckoned Ings would be exceptional and was better than Blake, we probably will never know that.
I reckoned Mee should be played at centre half, he has been.
I reckoned Tarka should play as a holding midfielder, he has played there.
I reckoned Agyei was a talent and should be on the bench, that's what happened.
I reckoned Renny could be a good midfielder for us, he hadn't been but I like the fact he has gone abroad to test himself, good on him

What a load of balls. You didn't merely suggest the 3 E's deserved a chance. You continually banged the drum that all 3 should be playing as if they would be a key to our success. All 3 got a chance and all 3 were nowhere near the required standard. You were wrong.

You didn't suggest just 'trying' Tarka in midfield, again you suggested in your posts that he would excel in midfield and that is where he should be deployed. He was tried in that position and I think it put to bed any notion that he is a permanent solution in that position. As it stands, you were wrong.

I'm almost certain that you were calling for Agyei to start (if you can prove otherwise I'll hold my hands up, unlike you). He made a brief appearance from the bench and looked like bambi on ice. Maybe he'll make it, maybe he won't but he certainly shouldn't have been starting games for us last season. Again, you were wrong.

I think that was almost an admission of being wrong on the Smith point, the fact that he is playing abroad is entirely irrelevant.

KM is a decent talent, but has only just seemed to have found his way in the Championship, never mind the Premier League. So as it stands you were wrong.

Well done on predicting Ings would be a good player, although thats one out of a small number, and considering the fee we paid for him and the obvious talent that he had I think it was a calculated prediction.

ClaretSteve · Post by **ClaretSteve** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:57 pm

Sidney has no room to talk with the political Bs he spouts on here. By far one of the most loathed posters.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:02 pm

Am I?

Well that's news to me, thanks for letting me know, I'll carry on as normal then.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:05 pm

Anyone who saw Easton play knew he was never going to be a player who could settle in the English game.
Edgar deserved his chance and did on a few occasions do a job as a holding midfielder but like McDonald he went backwards with us rather than forwards.
Eckersley I probably saw more than most and he should have been given a chance but wasn't.
At no time did I say or suggest the three should be the backbone of our side, all I ever said is they should be given the chance, why sign them otherwise?
I think there's only one person with an inflexible approach speaking in this communication.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:06 pm

I like you Sid.

Possibly Steve is intimating that childish posters who have opposing political opinions to you, who can't see past those opinions, 'loath' you. So one person in that case by the looks of things.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:07 pm

Eckersley - I'm guessing it was Plymouth you saw him play?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:07 pm

You see Sidney there's room to grow in everybody, don't shut your mind to change.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:07 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Am I?

Well that's news to me, thanks for letting me know, I'll carry on as normal then.

Shut up Sidney, I hate you

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:07 pm

It is quite close to Somerset?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:08 pm

Darthlaw wrote:I like you Sid.

Possibly Steve is intimating that childish posters who have opposing political opinions to you, who can't see past those opinions, 'loath' you. So one person in that case by the looks of things.

I'm a Star Wars and Lego fan, you're obliged to like me

As for those posters who don't like me, I know who they are, it isn't an issue because I'll never meet any of them at a football game.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:09 pm

This is sounding like the return of the coterie.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:11 pm

Bing! Who had mentioning the coterie by page 3 on the sweepstake?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:22 pm

To drag you out of the cupboard Darth has really made my day.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:29 pm

You talk of Dyche needing a change of approach, of being less reliant on the framework and showing more flexibility yet in all the years you have posted on this, and the old forum, we've yet to see a change in approach from you.

You're more rooted in your own framework of posting attention-seeking threads with little substance or factual foundation than Dyche will ever be in his.

I don't want to be part of 'the coterie', I rarely respond to your posts, they certainly never annoy me. I just think they're really weird, especially considering your apparent age. They smack of personality disorder.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:32 pm

ClaretSteve wrote:Sidney has no room to talk with the political Bs he spouts on here. By far one of the most loathed posters.

The beginning of the Sidney fan club.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:34 pm

Oh yes I have a deep and scarring personality disorder which manifests itself at a full moon and during Lent. It troubles me deeply does this huge need for attention seeking pleasure.
Thank you so much for making me aware of these foibles Riley you are a gem,

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:36 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Oh yes I have a deep and scarring personality disorder which manifests itself at a full moon and during Lent. It troubles me deeply does this huge need for attention seeking pleasure.
Thank you so much for making me aware of these foibles Riley you are a gem,

No probs mate, here to help.