Jack Cork

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:10 pm

DCWat wrote:Defour aside, I don't yet see anyone who really plays those killer balls, drives us forward and offers a goal threat.

Hendrick had a decent first season in the division but I'm not sure he's the one to link the attack to midfield (admittedly he was somewhat hampered by needing to show more of his defensive attributes).

Solidity is fine and I'm in no way disputing that we need that. I just don't see where the attacking threat and creativity is improving (Walters aside) as yet.

Agreed, whilst Hendrick is a decent player, he is neither a playmaker or someone who can unlock a defense with a killer pass. Defour has these abilities, but if he can't sort out his differences with SD we are still short of such a player. Neither Cork or McArthur fit this profile.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:10 pm

FactualFrank wrote:OK, I admit it...

I just Googled, wankpuffin.

Is it safe to do the same or will my eyes regret it?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:12 pm

Come on Belgian give us a few more names of players that might. We're never going to buy flair again whilst SD is here, but knowing some is around is encouraging.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:13 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Come on Belgian give us a few more names of players that might. We're never going to buy flair again whilst SD is here, but knowing some is around is encouraging.

You are one boring repetitive ****.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:14 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Come on Belgian give us a few more names of players that might. We're never going to buy flair again whilst SD is here, but knowing some is around is encouraging.

That is proper well bad England that

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:15 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Is it safe to do the same or will my eyes regret it?

Ha. You'll be safe - just click the first listing, which is from the Urban Dictionary.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:18 pm

There's some merit in what you say about Westwood and Hendrick, Factual Frank. I would add though that both have potential to improve - Westwood perhaps went through a bad spell at Villa and Hendrick is learning a difficult trade. Both also were pretty decent last season.

We do though need to look to upgrade when and where we can - be this in first XI or for squad depth.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:25 pm

Defo for me!

Hope this is one rumour that is true

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Defo for me!

Hope this is one rumour that is true

Already signed for Bournemouth

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:33 pm

********!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:34 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:Agreed, whilst Hendrick is a decent player, he is neither a playmaker or someone who can unlock a defense with a killer pass. Defour has these abilities, but if he can't sort out his differences with SD we are still short of such a player. Neither Cork or McArthur fit this profile.

If only we can get any issues with Defour sorted out as we'd not only have a player who is head and shoulders above everyone else at the club, but a player who is head and shoulders above most other midfielders in the Prem (top six clubs aside).

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:43 pm

Kind of keeping the Ireland links going.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:52 pm

One of his middle names is Porteous...

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:55 pm

I hope we can bring Jack back to Turf Moor met him once seemed a nice guy 'not puffed' up
Would have thought his salary would be the problem

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up_the_clarets_1989 · Post by **up_the_clarets_1989** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:59 pm

Once tipped him a winning horse in The Derby when he was here...don't think I've picked a winner since! Please come back Jack!

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:27 pm

Well if he comes back lets hope we get him for a snip. He certainly is not a starter, bench warmer at the very Best. Jack is very limited from what I saw of him at his last stint down the turf.

May be Dyche can get more out of him, than Laws did.

I shall put my differences aside a give the young fellow a rapturous reception, when and if he signs

Archer · Post by **Archer** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:42 pm

Top Claret wrote:Well if he comes back lets hope we get him for a snip. He certainly is not a starter, bench warmer at the very Best. Jack is very limited from what I saw of him at his last stint down the turf.

May be Dyche can get more out of him, than Laws did.

I shall put my differences aside a give the young fellow a rapturous reception, when and if he signs

Thank god. I'm sure he's been on here waiting for your validation before completing the deal.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:45 pm

Top Claret wrote:Well if he comes back lets hope we get him for a snip. He certainly is not a starter, bench warmer at the very Best. Jack is very limited from what I saw of him at his last stint down the turf.

May be Dyche can get more out of him, than Laws did.

I shall put my differences aside a give the young fellow a rapturous reception, when and if he signs

In all fairness I think we were his first PL club, out on loan.

He's done reasonably well since and will be more experienced.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:46 pm

And he did well for us - far from very limited

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:53 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The bloke I saw with Corks name on his shirt during his loan spell will be pleased.

He died.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He died.

In the JMU?

My apologies then if it was someone you knew.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:56 pm

Sidney1st wrote:In the JMU?

My apologies then if it was someone you knew.

I'm kidding. I've no idea.

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm kidding. I've no idea.

You thought that was funny?

RattyClaret · Post by **RattyClaret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm kidding. I've no idea.

Stick to politics you suck at comedy

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:03 pm

andyh wrote:You thought that was funny?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:39 pm

DCWat wrote:There's some merit in what you say about Westwood and Hendrick, Factual Frank. I would add though that both have potential to improve - Westwood perhaps went through a bad spell at Villa and Hendrick is learning a difficult trade. Both also were pretty decent last season.

We do though need to look to upgrade when and where we can - be this in first XI or for squad depth.

Yes - I don't think any of us are too far apart in our views on this actually. I like the look of Westwood and I think he'll be better this season after a pre-season with us and as he regains his confidence after a really tough spell at Villa. And I think Hendrick similarly has the potential to improve hugely this season - I really do think he has all the tools to turn into a serious Premier League player. But neither are guaranteed so we do need an established Premier League player to come in and be another really strong option as an alternative to either of them. I think where we disagree is about what else we need - I think Cork and McArthur would leave us with too many similar options, and if we could bring in someone like Clucas who is more flexible, I think that would be a better way of adding depth to the squad and adding the additional quality in the final third that we all think we ideally need.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:15 pm

All this talk about Cork is talk, and nothing else.

I really can't see Dyche wanting Cork.

Cork does not have enough fire in his belly for Dyche

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:19 pm

Top Claret wrote:All this talk about Cork is talk, and nothing else.

I really can't see Dyche wanting Cork.

Cork does not have enough fire in his belly for Dyche

Are you sure it's just talk though? Are you sure Dyche doesn't want him? Are you sure he doesn't have enough fire in his belly?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:24 am

Cork was very good for us last time he was here and stood out a mile. The only negative I found was he sometimes played safe passes too often instead of killer balls.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:04 am

I would actually be surprised if he wanted to even come back to Little o'l Burnley, just does not seem to me to fit the bill as what we require, I would have hoped we would have looked at bringing in at least one player with a bit of class, an attacking midfielder type not another safe central midfielder.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:47 am

Were did this rumour about jack cork come from ? There has been nothing in papers about it

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:09 am

I don't think we need Cork, as we've got Westwood for that deep, recycling role. We need a box-to-box man, a Marney, to do his bit all through the pitch. Energy and pace.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:24 am

Says 10 million

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:30 am

Interesting, that's the sort of fee I thought in this market he would command to be honest (Hendrick cost £10.5m, for example).

I see quite a lot of 'meh' above about this, but I think he would be a terrific capture for us, I really do. Where is that article from Reecey?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:30 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Cork was very good for us last time he was here and stood out a mile. The only negative I found was he sometimes played safe passes too often instead of killer balls.

Very young at the time. Didn't impress during his first loan in the Premier League but did in the Championship. He had another season in the Championship with Southampton and has now had five seasons in the Premier League but, from all reports, is way down the pecking order now at Swansea.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:31 am

jedi_master wrote:Interesting, that's the sort of fee I thought in this market he would command to be honest (Hendrick cost £10.5m, for example).

I see quite a lot of 'meh' above about this, but I think he would be a terrific capture for us, I really do. Where is that article from Reecey?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... l-10762818" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:49 am

claretspice wrote:Yes - I don't think any of us are too far apart in our views on this actually. I like the look of Westwood and I think he'll be better this season after a pre-season with us and as he regains his confidence after a really tough spell at Villa. And I think Hendrick similarly has the potential to improve hugely this season - I really do think he has all the tools to turn into a serious Premier League player. But neither are guaranteed so we do need an established Premier League player to come in and be another really strong option as an alternative to either of them. I think where we disagree is about what else we need - I think Cork and McArthur would leave us with too many similar options, and if we could bring in someone like Clucas who is more flexible, I think that would be a better way of adding depth to the squad and adding the additional quality in the final third that we all think we ideally need.

No, I agree completely, Spice.

I certainly wouldn't want to see two brought in that were effectively 'holders'. Of Whelan, Cork and McArthur, it would probably be the latter that I would choose. Further reinforcements in midfield would then be someone who can drive us forward.

You mention Clucas, which I think is a decent shout. Whoever it is, I want someone with a touch of pace who can offer a goal threat themselves or bring the forwards into play.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:16 am

Currently we have CM options of Westwood, Hendrick, Marney, Defour and of course Arfield has been a SD go to Arfield if no other option available. Last season with Marney injued and Barton banned we were very stretched and it is that memory that makes me believe we should be looking at one more CM signing as a minimum requirement. Lets trust SD to select the right player to fit the squad requirement.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:17 am

Football has gone daft if Cork is rated in the 10 million pounds bracket, and Burnley would be mad to splash the cash on this fella.

In Corks 5 seasons has a premier league player at Southampton and Swansea he has failed to hold down a regular 1st team spot.

As someone else has stated, we should be looking for a CM player who runs with the ball and drives on the team and can pick a positive pass, unlike Cork who passes backwards and plays safe all the time

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:20 am

"In Corks 5 seasons has a premier league player at Southampton and Swansea he has failed to hold down a regular 1st team spot "

Yet has made 28, 28, 27, 35 and 30 appearances in those last 5 seasons.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:20 am

For £5m I thought could be a good backup. If we sign for £10m then it's just stupid and don't even try to justify it that the market is crazy now. £10m for Jack Cork is stupid now and will always be stupid.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:20 am

I guess the way to look at it is he an upgrade in what we already have, or can he compliment the squad.

I reckon he is on both

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:23 am

KefkaClaret wrote:For £5m I thought could be a good backup. If we sign for £10m then it's just stupid and don't even try to justify it that the market is crazy now. £10m for Jack Cork is stupid now and will always be stupid.

28 years old over 200 starts in the Premier League. You can say every year the prices are stupid but that's how it is when you earn over 100 million a year alone for being in the league.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:28 am

We wont be paying £10 million for him. We will be paying £undisclosed !

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:28 am

You can't compare the prices for even last year these days I'm afraid.

People moan that we don't pay the going rate to get transfers over the line and I can't see any problem with the price for the player to be honest.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:28 am

Top Claret wrote:Football has gone daft if Cork is rated in the 10 million pounds bracket, and Burnley would be mad to splash the cash on this fella.

In Corks 5 seasons has a premier league player at Southampton and Swansea he has failed to hold down a regular 1st team spot.

As someone else has stated, we should be looking for a CM player who runs with the ball and drives on the team and can pick a positive pass, unlike Cork who passes backwards and plays safe all the time

The best central midfielder I've ever seen at Burnley at surging forwards in possession of a football is Jeff Hendrick. See winning goal against Stoke at home for example. His passing is pretty good and invariably forwards too, incidentally - he can do more in that respect, I think we'd all agree about that, but it will come. Given we also have Defour who hasn't left yet and who does carrying the ball forwards pretty well (though not as dominantly as Hendrick) and certainly can pick a pass forwards, I'd say a second holding midfield option was absolutely the right priority.

£10 million seems quite steep, but as ever these things involve lots of add-ons and other fees and given that as Dom has pointed out he can certainly be classed as a first team regular at Swansea, perhaps something like £6 million rising to £10 million is a fair price. Personally, I'd probably prefer McArthur (more goals, more physical) but either would be decent business for me.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:28 am

Would be a fantastic signing. We need a midfielder who can retain the ball and calm things down rather than kick and run. Westwood showed he is capable of it late last season but think this signing adds much needed competition in that rols and allows us to play 5 in midfield if needed

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:31 am

ClaretTony wrote:Very young at the time. Didn't impress during his first loan in the Premier League but did in the Championship. He had another season in the Championship with Southampton and has now had five seasons in the Premier League but, from all reports, is way down the pecking order now at Swansea.

I thought he stood out a mile in our midfield although we weren't exactly blessed with CMs at the time.

He certainly ran the show against Real Madrid bound Bale and Modric in the 4-2 win on the Turf.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:32 am

6years since Cork was with us. To be fair the lad had spent years in the reserves at Chelsea and has now 200 games under his belt

I hope he is, and no doubt possibly could be, a much improved player than I saw when he was with us back then.

But has someone else has said he is way down the pecking order at Swansea , and they finished below us in the league

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:41 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I thought he stood out a mile in our midfield although we weren't exactly blessed with CMs at the time.

He certainly ran the show against Real Madrid bound Bale and Modric in the 4-2 win on the Turf.

I think, to be fair, we got back in that game when Spurs downed tools after learning Arsenal were 3-0 up at half time leaving it impossible for them to get into the Champions League groups. Prior to that, Spurs were coasting to a big win.

Top Claret wrote:But has someone else has said he is way down the pecking order at Swansea , and they finished below us in the league

They finished above us