Game of Thrones S7

[Imploding Turtle]

Didn't settle anything.



They heavily insinuated that it was Rhaegar's kid, not confirmed it, and with most things GOT, it wouldn't surprise me to find out he was Robert's.

As for the cameos, most have been non speaking roles/extras/background filler. He was centre stage, it was weird and a bit ****.

Your theory doesn't explain why Jon would be in danger. Why would someone as honourable as Ned have to lie to everyone and say that he's Jon's father if his real father was Robert Baratheon?
Robert was besotted with Lyanna too, so there's just no way he's want to kill his and her child. And not only that it would require Robert to have shagged Lyanna while she was betrothed to him, and before she was "kidnapped" by Rhaegar, which would be a betrayal of his closest friend and Lyanna's brother.

Sorry, but it just makes no sense.

Edit:

Furthermore, GRRM has already explained that he doesn't want to **** around by misleading his readers and i'm sure that is equally true for the TV show. In the show it was all but spelled out that Jon was Rhaegar and Lyanna's son. As you've pointed out the transitioning from the baby's face to Jon's is too big a clue to ignore since short of GRRM reaching through your gogglebox to scream in your face that Jon is their son it's as conclusive as can be.

To deceive his viewers and readers like that would be completely at odds with something he said a few years ago regarding people picking up on subtle clues and reaching the correct conclusion:

"I want to surprise and delight my reader and take them in directions they didn't see coming. But I can't change the plans... So many readers were reading the books with so much attention that they were throwing up some theories and while some of those theories were amusing bulls**t and creative, some of the theories are right. At least one or two readers had put together the extremely subtle and obscure clues that I'd planted in the books and came to the right solution... So what do I do then? Do I change it?! I wrestled with that issue and I came to the conclusion that changing it would be a disaster, because the clues were there. You can't do that, so I'm just going to go ahead. Some of my readers who don't read the [online fan] boards, which thankfully there are hundreds of thousands of them, will still be surprised and other readers will say: 'See, I said that four years ago, I'm smarter than you guys'."

[Slurpy]

I still think R & L = J is Robert + Lyanna = Jon. Not Rhaegar.
Jon looks like Robert. Which would change the dynamic again.

Ed Sheeran was absolutely pointless as always, didn't add anything. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come with stupid pointless celebrity cameos that detract from the story.

Good opening episode anyway, sets the scene quite nicely.

HBO literally confirmed Rhaegar is the dad...

[Dom]

Fair enough. Still thought it was deliberately left open ended.

[Imploding Turtle]

Holy **** balls. Why did Jon do that to Dany? I hope she survives just to **** off Moffitt.

[Il Duce]

Holy **** balls. Why did Jon do that to Dany? I hope she survives just to **** off Moffitt.

Good one

[UpTheBeehole]

Jon Snow's defo gonna shag Daenerys

[Il Duce]

Jon Snow's defo gonna shag Daenerys

Lucky b@stard

[Imploding Turtle]

Jon: You've been talking to Tyrion
Dany: He is my Hand
Jon: He enjoys talking
Dany: We all enjoy what we're good at
Jon: I don't

That was a pretty neat nod to Jon's parentage. Rhaegar was a brilliant fighter, like Jon, but Rhaegar hated killing and fighting, what he truly enjoyed was singing. Dany was told this about her brother by Ser Barristan Selmy. He died before Dany was born but given the stories she'll have heard of him she likely admired him for everything her other brother wasn't.

Here's a link to the scene i'm referring to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7QWRPw0eFA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Smallpaul]

Lucky b@stard

If your into boning your Auntie then yea

[Imploding Turtle]

Jon: You've been talking to Tyrion
Dany: He is my Hand
Jon: He enjoys talking
Dany: We all enjoy what we're good at
Jon: I don't

That was a pretty neat nod to Jon's parentage. Rhaegar was a brilliant fighter, like Jon, but Rhaegar hated killing and fighting, what he truly enjoyed was singing. Dany was told this about her brother by Ser Barristan Selmy. He died before Dany was born but given the stories she'll have heard of him she likely admired him for everything her other brother wasn't.

Here's a link to the scene i'm referring to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7QWRPw0eFA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Which one of you ******* did this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comment ... s_good_at/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

If your into boning your Auntie then yea

The Targaryan's are even more partial to a bit of intra-familial fuckery than the Lannisters

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Game of Thrones jumped the shark at the end of series 4 when the zombie horde stopped at the shore to let Jon Snow and gang escape, because, you know, the undead are afraid of getting their feet wet.
If only they'd known that a thousand years earlier eh? They could have dug a stream instead of building that giant wall of ice.
I'm watching it to the end to see what happens but the best thing about the series is that I won't ever have to read any more of those awful books, with their repetition of "little and less" and "much and more" I'm sure they're written by a child.

[Imploding Turtle]

Game of Thrones jumped the shark at the end of series 4 when the zombie horde stopped at the shore to let Jon Snow and gang escape, because, you know, the undead are afraid of getting their feet wet.
If only they'd known that a thousand years earlier eh? They could have dug a stream instead of building that giant wall of ice.
I'm watching it to the end to see what happens but the best thing about the series is that I won't ever have to read any more of those awful books, with their repetition of "little and less" and "much and more" I'm sure they're written by a child.

The battle was already won. There was no need to pursue the routed enemy through a terrain (water) that they can't traverse as easily as the enemy. They're dead, not stupid.
Watch the scene again and notice how the Night King maintains eye-contact with Jon as he raises the dead, and then tell me the Night King doesn't know what he's doing.

[Tall Paul]

Game of Thrones jumped the shark at the end of series 4 when the zombie horde stopped at the shore to let Jon Snow and gang escape, because, you know, the undead are afraid of getting their feet wet.
If only they'd known that a thousand years earlier eh? They could have dug a stream instead of building that giant wall of ice.
I'm watching it to the end to see what happens but the best thing about the series is that I won't ever have to read any more of those awful books, with their repetition of "little and less" and "much and more" I'm sure they're written by a child.

You never had to read any of those "awful books" in the first place.

[jedi_master]

Game of Thrones jumped the shark at the end of series 4 when the zombie horde stopped at the shore to let Jon Snow and gang escape, because, you know, the undead are afraid of getting their feet wet.
If only they'd known that a thousand years earlier eh? They could have dug a stream instead of building that giant wall of ice.
I'm watching it to the end to see what happens but the best thing about the series is that I won't ever have to read any more of those awful books, with their repetition of "little and less" and "much and more" I'm sure they're written by a child.

I really don't think GOT can be accused of jumping the shark.

This series has so far been as good as anything that has gone before, and with the end in sight (what is it left now, like 12 episodes total?) all the plotpoints are moving apace, we don't have any filler (bar perhaps Gray Worm finally growing some balls - lol - and bedding Missandei) and everything feels very high stakes.

I personally feel the scene you referenced as a criticism was exceptional and really brought home the threat of the walkers. The Night King was clearly goading Jon as if to say "Why bother trying?".

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

The battle was already won. There was no need to pursue the routed enemy through a terrain (water) that they can't traverse as easily as the enemy. They're dead, not stupid.
Watch the scene again and notice how the Night King maintains eye-contact with Jon as he raises the dead, and then tell me the Night King doesn't know what he's doing.

The Night King who will one day be defeated by Jon Snow, he doesn't know what he's doing.
And sorry, have they met before? Does the Night King know Jon Snow is the main protagonist? Has he been watching the episodes? why bother attacking at all if you are going to let ten of them escape in a boat? BAD PLOTTING.
There was another exceptionally poor scene last series with the Children of the Forest throwing explosives that could clearly kill the Night King at any undead apart from the Knight King.
In the same scene they ran down a long tunnel so they could run down a long tunnel and have a running down a long tunnel scene.
Add in Arya Stark killing and baking people into pies (in a castle kitchen with nobody noticing) and her new "Mission Impossible" latex masks along with naff cameos by Ed Sheeran and you now have a show that clearly jumped the shark.
Shame, the first three series were excellent.

[DCWat]

Like or not like the way it's going, the increasing popularity of GOT suggests it's anything but jumping the shark.

[Imploding Turtle]

The Night King who will one day be defeated by Jon Snow, he doesn't know what he's doing.
And sorry, have they met before? Does the Night King know Jon Snow is the main protagonist? Has he been watching the episodes? why bother attacking at all if you are going to let ten of them escape in a boat? BAD PLOTTING.

They attacked to take Hardhome, which is what they acheived. If they had crossed the river it would have been extremely slowly, walking across the bottom, and leave them extremely vulnerable as they emerge on the other side disorganised and as a trickle. And even if the survivors weren't waiting to "kill" them on the other side because they had too few numbers left (all the more reason not to pursue them), they'd have such a head start in fleeing that the Wights wouldn't know where they are.

There was another exceptionally poor scene last series with the Children of the Forest throwing explosives that could clearly kill the Night King at any undead apart from the Knight King. [/quote]

How do you know their explosives could kill the Night King? If anyone knows what can and can't kill the Night King it's the Children of the Forest, since they created him so i think it's fair to assume that if they didn't target him with their little grenades then it's because they knew it'd be futile. But maybe you know better.

In the same scene they ran down a long tunnel so they could run down a long tunnel and have a running down a long tunnel scene.

What the **** are you whining about?

Add in Arya Stark killing and baking people into pies (in a castle kitchen with nobody noticing) and her new "Mission Impossible" latex masks along with naff cameos by Ed Sheeran and you now have a show that clearly jumped the shark.
Shame, the first three series were excellent.

"cameos"? Cameo, one. And yes it was **** but so what?

And what's your problem with the Many Faced God faith? Jaqen h'har has been in the show since season 2, episode 2 and used his ""Mission Impossible latex masks" to repay Arya for saving him, but you had no problem with it then because it was off-camera so maybe you have to rethink whether the first 3 seasons were really as good as you thought, if that's your attitude towards a part of the story.

So all in all, the only good point you have is that Ed Sheeren had a bad cameo on one episode. I don't think that justifies accusations that the show has "jumped the shark".

[martin_p]

The Night King who will one day be defeated by Jon Snow, he doesn't know what he's doing.
And sorry, have they met before? Does the Night King know Jon Snow is the main protagonist? Has he been watching the episodes? why bother attacking at all if you are going to let ten of them escape in a boat? BAD PLOTTING.
There was another exceptionally poor scene last series with the Children of the Forest throwing explosives that could clearly kill the Night King at any undead apart from the Knight King.
In the same scene they ran down a long tunnel so they could run down a long tunnel and have a running down a long tunnel scene.
Add in Arya Stark killing and baking people into pies (in a castle kitchen with nobody noticing) and her new "Mission Impossible" latex masks along with naff cameos by Ed Sheeran and you now have a show that clearly jumped the shark.
Shame, the first three series were excellent.

So let me get this right, you're watching a series you no longer like to the end so you don't have to read some books that you don't like? Maybe better to spend your time doing something you enjoy!

[SonofPog]

Many examples in history of leaving a few alive to spread the fear and dread of you. Didn't smack me of shark jumping that one.

Ayra's face changing is a little hamfisted though, before he just turned and had a new face, now it looks like she's taking off a mask, preferred the other way, I too had the same thought about killing his sons into pies, but that was minor to the F yeah Ayra you bad my! Feelings I was having.

The Ed Sheehan cameo was a little over done, could have been a bit more subtle, but hey ho, hardly a major gripe in the grand scheme of things.

The Iron fleet just happening to appear exactly where they're needed at the exact right time without being scene is a little jarring for anyone that knows how had it was to engage in Naval combat (Nelson sailed around the Atlantic for year chasing the French and Spanish fleets) but that's just artistic license.

The torture of the sands, and the old lady of tyrrells final confession, ouch, that's just grade A television.

I'm looking forward to the final few episodes.

[Imploding Turtle]

Many examples in history of leaving a few alive to spread the fear and dread of you. Didn't smack me of shark jumping that one.

Ayra's face changing is a little hamfisted though, before he just turned and had a new face, now it looks like she's taking off a mask, preferred the other way, I too had the same thought about killing his sons into pies, but that was minor to the F yeah Ayra you bad my! Feelings I was having.

The Ed Sheehan cameo was a little over done, could have been a bit more subtle, but hey ho, hardly a major gripe in the grand scheme of things.

The Iron fleet just happening to appear exactly where they're needed at the exact right time without being scene is a little jarring for anyone that knows how had it was to engage in Naval combat (Nelson sailed around the Atlantic for year chasing the French and Spanish fleets) but that's just artistic license.

The torture of the sands, and the old lady of tyrrells final confession, ouch, that's just grade A television.

I'm looking forward to the final few episodes.

I'm looking forward to finding out what Varys is upto because his storyline has gone without focus so far, but it's always been there playing in the background (a bit like Varys). The Red Priests seem to know everything about him. Kinvara showed she knew about his past by telling him she knew that he heard a voice coming from the flames when his "parts" were tossed into fire. She also offered to tell him what he'd heard, and whose voice it was (a leading contender is Bloodraven's voice who the Red Priests believe to be working on behalf of the Great Other which, if true, would mean the Red Priests believe Varys was spoken to by an actor for the enemy of their Lord of Light), and Melisandre told Varys she knows his future by telling him he has to die on Westeros. And then there's the Red Priest giving some kind of sermon in Volantis where Varys and Tyrion stopped off on the way to Meereen. She looked up at the two sensing something but we all assumed it was Tyrion but now i think it was Varys she sensed.

There are some theories as to who Varys is, and what he's up to and although this video was created and published prior to season 6 which means it doesn't include encounters with Kinvara or Melisandre, the theory it describes (the Blackfyre theory) still makes sense.
https://youtu.be/0M_hhVg9XUE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[duncandisorderly]

Game of Thrones hasn't jumped the shark once. It's maybe had a single Deus Ex Machina when Drogon flew down upon the Sons of the Harpy but even that's not quite a DEM because it was the first time Dany had been properly in danger in public and her dragon saved her, which is kinda the point.

Jon Snow coming back from the dead could be either, but in context it's clearly neither; ditto with Arya and her faces.

Really, the only Deus Ex Machina left is wassisname...roberts ******* who was last seen sailing away in about series 3, because him showing up now would be a big FFS moment. (unless it's done spectacularly well) Best fondly forgotten.

[Imploding Turtle]

Game of Thrones hasn't jumped the shark once. It's maybe had a single Deus Ex Machina when Drogon flew down upon the Sons of the Harpy but even that's not quite a DEM because it was the first time Dany had been properly in danger in public and her dragon saved her, which is kinda the point.

Jon Snow coming back from the dead could be either, but in context it's clearly neither; ditto with Arya and her faces.

Really, the only Deus Ex Machina left is wassisname...roberts ******* who was last seen sailing away in about series 3, because him showing up now would be a big FFS moment. (unless it's done spectacularly well) Best fondly forgotten.

You're talking about Gendry. I think he'll return this season because the actor who plays him was in Belfast at time of filming. The last we saw of him he was being enjoyed by Melisandre before Davos helped him escape. Melisandre, when she took Gendry, told Arya that she will meet her again so that might be when Gendry is reintroduced which could be touching because Arya and Gendry grew close. Not Arya/Jon close which is another reunion i'm really looking forward to, but still pretty close.

Another thing about Gendry is he might not be Robert's ba*tard but actually his legitimate son. Cersei tells Cat that she had a son before Joffrey but lost him at birth, and that he had black hair. Gendry says he didn't know his mother and that all he knew of her is that she had blonde hair. So it's possible that she sent him away when she saw that he wasn't Jaime's, not wanting to have a legitimate son with Robert (cos she hated him). She also tried to have him arrested (and then probably killed) while he was travelling to the Wall to become a member of the Night's Watch. The reason she'd want him killed would be because he'd have been the rightful heir to the Iron Throne on Robert's death, and not Joffrey, which would cause problems if he ever discovered that he was a legitimate son.
Also, if it was Varys who carried him away it could mean Gendry is Young Griff, who he and Illyrio might be planning to pass off as Aegon Targaryen, who they claim they rescued from Gregor Clegane.

So i'd like to see Gendry back because he has a claim to the throne and it'd be nice to see him and Arya reunited. Arya's and Mel's 2nd meeting will probably revolve around their Gods. There's a reasonable chance that the many-faced God is the same God everyone worships, whatever their religion or number of Gods, so it'll be interesting to see how that works out. If it turns out badly and Mel tries to kill Arya then maybe Gendry's saves her. Or something. Or maybe Mel finds Gendry and Arya kills her. Who knows? But Arya and Melisandre will meet again at some point, Mel's going to die in Westeros (we just learned) and they both follow faiths that might bring conflict, so it's a meeting to look forward to.

[Dom]

I read a theory that Jamie will kill Cersei, as much as that would be a jawdropper I just can't see it. Yes she's getting more maniacal as he's mellowing out. But I just don't see how he'd go from shagging his sister to murdering her. Only way I can see it is if Tyrion is captured and he's about to be executed, Jamie might save him.

Will Jamie tell Cersei that Tyrion didn't kill Joffrey?
There's got to be a point where everything stops going in Cersei's favour.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

I read a theory that Jamie will kill Cersei, as much as that would be a jawdropper I just can't see it.

I reckon that's the way it will play out, Jamie also gets the "Queenslayer" title to go with his other one.

[SonofPog]

IT, I watched that vid, thanks. TBH as I non book reader, I was like, who, what? I think it's just too much maybe to fit into the time the show has left. Although, some form of development would be good, same with little finger, we know what he wants, but how's he going to get it / fail?

The Gendry story does need to be finished, its 4 seasons ago now, even if it's just Ayra bumping into him (like hot pie) and him saying, I'm keeping my head down, people want to kill me! Anything would be nice,

I doubt he's Cercis son, she's finally lost it because of the death of all her children, and didn't a witch tell her that she would only rule once all her children were dead?

I liked the last couple of episodes, it all looked in place for DT, there was a question of how Cerci would even resist, but now she's kind forced her to attack kings landing, with her Dragons, Ballista Vs Dragon..... FIGHT!

What's gonna happen with the free army? That the hound is with... they just seem to be walking about? Anyway, looking forward to finding out and while I thought that less episodes would lesson the series. I've actually liked the increased pace. It's like we're working up to an ending.

Final thought, can Bran please tell someone that Jon is an fing targaryen!!!

[Imploding Turtle]

Bran says he needs to talk to Jon, so his parentage is probably what he needs to talk to him about.

The witch, Maggy, did say in the show that Cersei would be queen until a more beautiful one cast her down (Dany?) and that she would have three children "gold will be their crowns, gold their shrouds" so that's Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen. But Cersei also said she had a kid before Joffrey so either she lied about that to Cat Stark, or Maggy's wrong.

In the books Maggy also said "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." Valonqar means "little brother" which could mean Tyrion but could mean Jaime aswell since he was born shortly after Cersei. And it makes more sense that it's Jaime given the clues (eg. Cersei standing on the 'neck', Jaime on the 'fingers') but also the history. Jaime protected the city at the expense of his honor when he killed the Mad King who wanted to destroy it with wildfire and since history tends to repeat itself in ASOIAF it could be that Jaime's the one who kills Cersei, the Mad Queen. Maybe to save the city again, or maybe to save Tyrion who Cersei will probably still believe had something to do with Joffrey's death despite Jaime telling her of Olenna's confession.

And we're still due a good roast of Kings Landing if Dany's visions are to come true. At the House of the Undying she had a vision of the throne room in ruins with snow (or ash) falling. And again in a Season 6 trailer (i think) but i think that'll be more likely to come true next season if it's to come true at all (Unless the show is going to settle the war against Cersei this season and spend next season on the war against the dead). Her decision to not seige Kings Landing might be partly to avoid such an outcome. But then if Cersei goes nuts with wildfire then it might happen anyway and by not seiging Kings Landing Dany's brought about the destruction she tried to avoid. Or the vision is wrong. Who knows? Prophecies have been wrong in the show before.

[brigante]

Who's next in line if Jaime kills her; him?

[Imploding Turtle]

I'm not sure who but not Jaime. He was a Kingsguard so he's forbidden from reigning in any way which was something Tywin hated because it meant Tyrion was the Lannister heir to Casterly Rock.
If Cersei is killed then Tyrion would probably be next in line but i don't see him wanting it. Chances are if Cersei dies it'll be because she's lost or is about to lose the war so who's in line won't matter.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Bran says he needs to talk to Jon, so his parentage is probably what he needs to talk to him about.

The witch, Maggy, did say in the show that Cersei would be queen until a more beautiful one cast her down (Dany?) and that she would have three children "gold will be their crowns, gold their shrouds" so that's Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen. But Cersei also said she had a kid before Joffrey so either she lied about that to Cat Stark, or Maggy's wrong.

In the books Maggy also said "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." Valonqar means "little brother" which could mean Tyrion but could mean Jaime aswell since he was born shortly after Cersei. And it makes more sense that it's Jaime given the clues (eg. Cersei standing on the 'neck', Jaime on the 'fingers') but also the history. Jaime protected the city at the expense of his honor when he killed the Mad King who wanted to destroy it with wildfire and since history tends to repeat itself in ASOIAF it could be that Jaime's the one who kills Cersei, the Mad Queen. Maybe to save the city again, or maybe to save Tyrion who Cersei will probably still believe had something to do with Joffrey's death despite Jaime telling her of Olenna's confession.

And we're still due a good roast of Kings Landing if Dany's visions are to come true. At the House of the Undying she had a vision of the throne room in ruins with snow (or ash) falling. And again in a Season 6 trailer (i think) but i think that'll be more likely to come true next season if it's to come true at all (Unless the show is going to settle the war against Cersei this season and spend next season on the war against the dead). Her decision to not seige Kings Landing might be partly to avoid such an outcome. But then if Cersei goes nuts with wildfire then it might happen anyway and by not seiging Kings Landing Dany's brought about the destruction she tried to avoid. Or the vision is wrong. Who knows? Prophecies have been wrong in the show before.

The kid before Joffrey is Jon Snow who is the barsteward child of Ned Stark and Cersei.
This also frees Jon up to get with Dany and one of the reasons Jamie will kill Cersei.

[SalouClaret]

I recently read what I thought was a theory which has actually turned out to be the full season 7 plot which has ruined it for me a bit don't worry I won't spoil it for anyone!

[Imploding Turtle]

The kid before Joffrey is Jon Snow who is the barsteward child of Ned Stark and Cersei.
This also frees Jon up to get with Dany and one of the reasons Jamie will kill Cersei.

Nonsense.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Nonsense.

oh no, really? I thought it was a documentary!

[Claret&Green]

Can anyone recommend a way of watching GofT from series 1 on line. I don't have sky tv so can't get Sky Atlantic.

[Spiral]

If you're okay streaming, try this.

https://hdonline.to/search/game+of+thrones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lost of streaming sites have similar layouts to this and most are decent. They are usually all simple enough to navigate.

[Smallpaul]

Can anyone recommend a way of watching GofT from series 1 on line. I don't have sky tv so can't get Sky Atlantic.

A Firestick & Kodi is an option

[Steve1956]

I bought the 1st series box set in anticipation ...I thought it was abysmal watched one episode then never watched another I though the acting was rubbish,sold it on eBay for a fiver,am I the only person that thinks this is shite.

[Imploding Turtle]

I bought the 1st series box set in anticipation ...I thought it was abysmal watched one episode then never watched another I though the acting was rubbish,sold it on eBay for a fiver,am I the only person that thinks this is shite.

Sucks to be you then.

[Imploding Turtle]

you don't need a firestick if you're using your computer. You can just install Kodi onto your laptop using one of the guides you'll find on Google.

[Imploding Turtle]

This has some interesting theories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[SonofPog]

I've been looking into the Gendry, or another (first son theory) and what puts me off it, is that while in the show, the boy was born, and was implied died early on or was still born, (not 100% confirmation I'll admit), in the book, the child is never born as Cersei takes moon tea to abort the child. Therefore, this would be a massive departure from the books.

I'm sold on the whole, Jon is a targarean theory, and can also believe Tyrion is one too (three heads of the dragon etc). I just don't see Gendry being Cersei's son. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Dom]

I've been looking into the Gendry, or another (first son theory) and what puts me off it, is that while in the show, the boy was born, and was implied died early on or was still born, (not 100% confirmation I'll admit), in the book, the child is never born as Cersei takes moon tea to abort the child. Therefore, this would be a massive departure from the books.

I'm sold on the whole, Jon is a targarean theory, and can also believe Tyrion is one too (three heads of the dragon etc). I just don't see Gendry being Cersei's son. Doesn't make sense to me.

The television series has been a big departure from the books anyway, think they are now two separate entities in storyline with broadly the same outcome.
I do wonder what Littlefinger is scheming now, he will no doubt be looking through the records trying to find something in the scrolls that have been sent to winterfell over the years. I can't stand the little prick.

[claretburns]

I bought the 1st series box set in anticipation ...I thought it was abysmal watched one episode then never watched another I though the acting was rubbish,sold it on eBay for a fiver,am I the only person that thinks this is shite.

I agree with you in a sense, that I didn't enjoy the first season as much but I was a late comer to the show and friends told me to stick with it as you need the first series to learn the families and the plot etc and from series 2 it get's interesting. Took their advice and never looked back!

[Imploding Turtle]

Episode 4 has leaked.

[Smallpaul]

If this leak was months earlier i'd of been tempted but i'll stick to my Monday 2am slot

[starting_11]

...but the main question is.

Which one would you most like to do?

[CnBtruntru]

...but the main question is.

Which one would you most like to do?

Missandei, Oh yes I wood.

[bfcjg]

So we are all agreed that Owen Coyle turned down the lead role ?

[Smallpaul]

Yea he laughed in the face of HBO & went to work for Netflix instead, they are 10 years you know

[Imploding Turtle]

"Fewer"
"What?"