ARTICLE: Bardsley linked with Burnley return

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:35 am

Ok if Bardsley signs we just have to accept it but that doesn't mean we can't have a critical opinion on it. This is a football message board but it seems that the stock answer to any critical opinion on here is that if SD is happy with it then it means all contrary opinion has to be shut down. If that is the case what is the point of this site.

My opinion won't change anything I know but I still have the right to make it without being told that its not allowed because the manager has signed him.

Bardsley turns more slowly than an oil tanker and would struggle to keep up with my Nan and she has been dead for over 50 years. Yes Darikwa is not good enough and we need a replacement but Bardsley is also not good enough and I would have preferred 2 better quality defenders who could cover both RB and CB positions and given the money we got for Keane I don't see any argument for suggesting we couldn't afford them. We could also offload Darikwa and Long saving another two wages and bring in £3m or £4m in fees.

So far it looks like our transfer spending looks to be neutral as Walters, Cork and Taylor are only likely to cost about £18m. Given we have lost more players from the 1st team squad than we have signed so far then we will have also saved some wages. Given we then need a decent Right Winger and as an example Snodgrass is thought to be worth £8m by the Hammers then 2 really good defenders and Snodgrass would probably set us back about £28m that is actually less than we spent last year. Given transfer market inflation this year this seems a pretty reasonable outlay even for our club. SD himself said at the end of last season we will probably have to break our transfer record and spend more in total than last year even though the market would be difficult. This isn't betting the farm but would really strengthen the team. Total outlay in transfer fees around £24m in this window.

The only change to this scenario would be getting a fully fledged 4th striker instead of one of the defenders.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:46 am

boatshed bill wrote:Personally, I'd rather we identified a target similar to Taylor, someone to develop and challenge for a first team place.
But I'm not the manager.

It's difficult to argue against this however, if it comes to a game this season when Lowton isn't available, I'd rather it was Bardsley filling in than Darikwa.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:47 am

"Bardsley turns more slowly than an oil tanker and would struggle to keep up with my Nan and she has been dead for over 50 years."

And you wonder why your "opinions" are challenged when you post garbage like this!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:49 am

boatshed bill wrote:Personally, I'd rather we identified a target similar to Taylor, someone to develop and challenge for a first team place.
But I'm not the manager.

But what if there was no player available? People say things like we can go to the corner shop and buy anybody we like off the top shelf. It doesn't work that way.

We WILL be looking for someone as good as Taylor - of course we will - but players like that aren't always available, so we have to drop our targets.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:51 am

This board is all about opinions and in my opinion black is white.

Don't @ me.

LaLigaClaret · Post by **LaLigaClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:02 am

fidelcastro wrote:"Bardsley turns more slowly than an oil tanker and would struggle to keep up with my Nan and she has been dead for over 50 years."

And you wonder why your "opinions" are challenged when you post garbage like this!

He is in decline and has been for the last 3 seasons and he will not be improving in the future. He will have no resale value. He will not be challenging Lowton except if an injury occurs. He will be stealing a wage as a bench warmer. I still make the point that no-one on this board would ever have suggested Bardsley as a player to sign. His current team is happy to offload him however so they will be looking to replace him.

I still contend that the club should be able to do better than this. We should have had a replacement lined up and agreed before we sold Keane and that replacement should have been able to cover RB as well as CB and there are players out there who can do this. We do have the funds available so why waste it on a player who is in decline and not going to challenge for a starting place. Bardsley just isn't good enough. I sincerely hope I am wrong and he turns out to be sensational but I'm not holding my breath.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:09 am

You sound like a right laugh LaLigaClaret. There's a lot of assumptions in your last post.

Get to many games, do you?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:27 am

[quote="fidelcastro"]You sound like a right laugh LaLigaClaret. There's a lot of assumptions in your last post.

Get to many games, do you"

Fidel that is a pretty pathetic comment.

Everything LaLiga has said is spot on.
We are signing a player that can't Keep glen Johnson out of a starting X1.

Again I will highlight we have not yet spent a penny of last seasons money. In fact we haven't even spent all of the money earned from Keanes transfer.

There are plenty of up an coming RBS that will develop and possibly be the next trippier.
Why settle for a player that will most likely retire in two seasons. We have just bought Taylor to replace the ageing Ward, why then buy someone that is older than Ward as back up for the opposite flank

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:32 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:

He can have a joint retirement do with Walters.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:44 am

Must be honest, I was surprised when I read we were linked with Bardsley. Can only think SD's feels the need for a bit more steel and muscle given the signings to date. I will say Bardsley is potentially a better defensive option (positionally at least) than Lowton but can't see him getting forward too often. Maybe it's a bit of competition that Lowts needs although I don't think he'll be easily displaced.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:47 am

It's the old boys network SD is developing.
Or is it sabotage before leaving.

Either way it's deeply disappointing and counter to the policy this club was supposed to be adopting, buy young develop and sell-on.

The almost certain way to failure is to buy in senior players on large wages who just stick around a club taking their wages whilst the club slides.

That at present looks a real possibility, we might be meeting our neighbours sooner than we think.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:58 am

Morning everyone
Not 9 am yet and we have the latest rumblings from ablue
More shite talk

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:00 am

We need someone who is better than TD as cover for Lowton.

My guess SD does not want to spend a fortune on a transfer fee and is looking for a low risk tried and tested in the Premier League option.

I am sure if there was an up and coming young right back in the mould of Charlie Taylor then SD would have gone for him. But these players are not ten to the dozen and the kind of prices we can afford - especially for a position where we already have a good young right back who had a very good season and cost us only £1.5m.

It's easy for fans to criticise transfers - lot harder for them to tell us who we should be buying instead.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:02 am

ablueclaret wrote: Or is it sabotage before leaving.

Do you seriously believe this or are you just now willing to write down any old tripe that comes into your mind?

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:02 am

ablueclaret wrote:It's the old boys network SD is developing.
Or is it sabotage before leaving

Absolute drivel.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:06 am

ablueclaret wrote:It's the old boys network SD is developing.
Or is it sabotage before leaving.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:09 am

KRBFC wrote:Probably the latter, he obviously doesn't watch much football. This isn't me digging at Dyche by criticising the signing of Bardsley I'm just frustrated how the window is heading after a promising start with a couple of good additions. Am I allowed an opinion on players we sign? Some fans just jump on the defensive straight away to defend the club/Dyche when they simply cant get everything right, they're humans after all. Some posters even defended the signing of Reid but would slaughter the dud signings made by Howe/Laws, can some fans just not admit Dyche's mistakes? Really quite strange.

Of course you're allowed your opinion. You have just come on here and posted, with a straight face, that you know more about player signings than Sean Dyche. I have no objection to that - you are absolutely allowed that opinion.

But when I say that I completely disagree, it's one of the wrongest and strangest opinions I have read on this board, and that I'm staggered that anyone could have such a high opinion of himself, I'm not taking away your right to say what you say. I'm expressing my right to say what I believe.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:10 am

Congratulations ablue, finally you prove to everyone that you are a troll.

Or did you mean to log in as someone else?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:11 am

As backup to Lowton, fair enough to sign Bardsley.

I thought we were trying to improve the first team this summer though?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:14 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:As backup to Lowton, fair enough to sign Bardsley.

I thought we were trying to improve the first team this summer though?

It's always both though even though I suspect Jack Cork is the only one of the three new signings so far who can be reasonably confident of being on the pitch at 3 pm at Chelsea.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:15 am

If/when injury or suspension hits a position perhaps the cover we have could be key to our survival. Currently we have covering the left side of defence Mee, Ward and Taylor and the right side Tarks, Lowton and Darikwa with Long the extra man. Our PL experienced players Ward, Mee and Lowton, whilst untried and untested against Zillion pound players (like Aguero, Sanchez, Kane, Lukaka, Costa, Firmino etc etc) Darikwa, Taylor, Tarks and Long. If we bring in Bardsley I for one would not see it as a backward step, in fact I would see it as balancing out our options.

Easy to forget the PL season when late in January Marney did his ACL and we had no experienced CM cover, loads of youth but no experience and ended up with Arfield covering for Marney and last year we had for the two CM positions, Hendrick, Marney, Defour, Barton, Westwood and youth which still proved to be only just enough!

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:18 am

Well I'm not allowed to post positive see the deletion of Tarka Defour Gray axis thread, so you get hyperbole instead.
Tongue in cheek is allowed on here I guess.

I just find the trajectory we appear to be taking as the antithesis of everything which has made this club a success.

Ings Mee Trippier Gray Keane, Vokes young players who have made this club alive.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:19 am

Lawton gets injured first match of the season and is going to be out for a couple of months,who do you want as back up.
1) Darikwa
2)An untried untested up and coming RB with no prem experience
3) Bardsley with many years of Prem experience.
4) Ablueclaret.

I know who I would prefer.Its called having experienced backup.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:21 am

Long is quite capable at right back.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:22 am

I'm delighted with Cork signing, he's an undoubted starter for me, but we're still a brilliant central defender down. On top of that, yes Boyd's energy has been replaced with Walters, but we still need a different type of striker and a pacy first team winger, not to mention experienced goalkeeper.

Get those 4 signings in, and we've had a good summer. We've barely tapped into the increased spending promised by Garlick, and that's before taking into account the £25-30m from the Keane sale.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:22 am

ablueclaret wrote:Well I'm not allowed to post positive see the deletion of Tarka Defour Gray axis thread, so you get hyperbole instead.
Tongue in cheek is allowed on here I guess.

I just find the trajectory we appear to be taking as the antithesis of everything which has made this club a success.

Ings Mee Trippier Gray Keane, Vokes young players who have made this club alive.

You can't throw young inexperienced players in at short notice,if necessary, or are you to thick to see that.Or do you just like to be contentious,which I suspect is the case.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:22 am

What if Gray gets injured first match where is the pacey tried and tested player to replace him?

In football you prioritise and signing Bardsley is no priority.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:23 am

ablueclaret wrote:Long is quite capable at right back.

In League One

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:25 am

ablueclaret wrote:Long is quite capable at right back.

Now you really are being stupid.When have you seen Long play right back.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:25 am

So if Ward gets injured do we risk Taylor who has no Premier League experience, of course we do because we know he is a decent player.
If we have a squad of players not capable of playing at this level then sell them on, I fancy Darikwa wouldn't do any worse than Bardsley and would indeed provide an attacking option.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:26 am

Yeah, when have any of us ever seen Long play right back?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:26 am

I have seen him play there twice and he's quite adequate.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:27 am

You need to watch more matches Lancaster.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:28 am

ablueclaret wrote:What if Gray gets injured first match where is the pacey tried and tested player to replace him?

In football you prioritise and signing Bardsley is no priority.

We played a number of games last season without Gray and did not suffer.Bardsley if he signs is experienced backup for Lowton.Dont understand why you can't see that.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:29 am

ablueclaret wrote:I have seen him play there twice and he's quite adequate.

In the Premier League?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:33 am

We can sign Bardsley but it's regressive, it's typical of what struggling Premier League sides do, by signing Taylor we showed intent. If Darikwa is not seen as being up to it, which I still remain uncertain about then bring in another decent young right back or a centre back who can play right back as well rather than go down the stop gap route.
We could buy old stagers to cover all our players but what a waste of money.

We have at present the chance to recruit young talent to secure our future even if we get relegated, spending money on players on a downward trajectory is the way to head there yourself.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:34 am

Just wish Lotty was here to put in his penny worth he'd be keeping me right as well.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:35 am

You still haven't told us where you have seen Long play RB.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:36 am

You are so full of it ablue.

Here, have this rather large JCB. You clearly need it.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:40 am

Jimscho wrote:You still haven't told us where you have seen Long play RB.

On fifa

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:41 am

I'm sure CT can fill you in on that one Jimscho. Long is very underrated he could do a decent job there in an emergency.

We just approach football from a different angle, I was encourage when McParland came here and we appeared to be adopting a buy young policy that is the way forward from my point of view.
SD is a very conservative manager successfully so and of course he does have the ability to get the best out of certain types of players so for him Bardsley is probably the right kind of signing, but from my point of view it's regressive and pointing the club in the wrong direction.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:43 am

You haven't seen him play right back have you?

Its ok, its not like your credibility is at risk here is it?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:44 am

Bardsley will come, many will rejoice, I shall be disappointed,

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:45 am

Not into credibility but yes I have seen him play right back.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:47 am

Long at right back - chris or Kevin ?

Both would be as bad as each other - infact the other teams would probably allow both to play at once and they would still be laughing at us.

I'm not sure why I'm even responding to this joker - it's a waste of finger tapping !

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:48 am

ablueclaret wrote:What if Gray gets injured first match where is the pacey tried and tested player to replace him?

In football you prioritise and signing Bardsley is no priority.

ABC- Have you ever, just for one second, considered that we can focus on more than one signing at once?

Have you not figured that clubs sign players they want as/when they become available.

Have you not realised that when signing players we have to work with OTHER clubs and that just ever so possibly we might need to wait for them to get back to us.

Why, in the name of Zeus' hairy butthole, should we not work on signing players concurrently rather than consecutively? Which is what you seem to want us to do....but only in the order that you think is the correct one!

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:49 am

The negativity with respect to our players is touching. Sad that so many write them off.
That's Darikwa Chris Long Kevin Long already on this thread.
And I thought you were supporters.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:50 am

Yes Paul.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:50 am

If you discount Darikwa, as most peop[le seem to do - then we started close season with two full backs, one experienced and one a bit less so. Now (if we sign Bardsley) we've signed two more, one experienced and one not. That seems pretty balanced to me - young, inexperienced, and with potential is good; but do we want an entire squad made up of them?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:53 am

dsr I'm not doubting there is an alternative argument I just don't buy into buying players on a downward trajectory. Others see them as being necessary stop gaps.
I just believe we are at the best place in our recent history to purchase young talent to secure our future and it Galls me to see we are not doing just that,