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UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:37 pm

First post on a new page and I want it to say this:

RINGO IS A KNOB

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:49 pm

So are you mate. At least he is trying to put forward an argument, whether you agree or not, not just juvenile abuse.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:53 pm

He doesn't really put forward an argument. He generally repeats a load of non sequiturs, something that he's read in a paper or seen online and just carries on repeating the same thing, regardless of relevance or accuracy, until everybody gets bored. His response to people refuting those things with actual facts is to just repeat them again.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:53 pm

Chobulous wrote:So are you mate. At least he is trying to put forward an argument, whether you agree or not, not just juvenile abuse.

Cheers for that.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:54 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:First post on a new page and I want it to say this:

RINGO IS A KNOB

Upthebeehole - lost the argument.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:57 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Upthebeehole - lost the argument.

You lost the argument when almost every poster was telling you you were wrong, and you still kept parroting the same bloody thing.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:00 pm

aggi wrote:He doesn't really put forward an argument. He generally repeats a load of non sequiturs, something that he's read in a paper or seen online and just carries on repeating the same thing, regardless of relevance or accuracy, until everybody gets bored. His response to people refuting those things with actual facts is to just repeat them again.

Facts?

The the truth is planes will fly n take off after brexit. Despite what Remoaner Oleary claims.

He can't organise a p*** up in a brewery.

And he's gonna be leathered by fines from his beloved EU.

That's all I've said all along. But the usual gaggle of Remoaners have huffed n puffed and tried to go off at tangents.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:02 pm

You're literally repeating the same thing in every single post.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:03 pm

How dense must you be when your brain only has the capacity to reduce your opinion on every single person or topic down to a tenuous link with the results of a referendum which happened 15 months ago?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:07 pm

He exaggerated but the fact is that if we don't sign a replacement to the Open Skies agreement (e.g. if we go with No Deal) then planes won't legally be able to fly from the UK into Europe.

I'm sure it won't happen, I've known that the suggestion of No Deal was an absurdity to please people who don't understand the implications by talking tough even though it's virtually impossible to implement, but it is technically correct.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Rileybobs wrote:How dense must you be when your brain only has the capacity to reduce your opinion on every single person or topic down to a tenuous link with the results of a referendum which happened 15 months ago?

15 months ago?

June 2017 84% of voters, in the UK general election, voted for a party that wanted to leave the single market, end free movement and leave the EU.

How dense must you be to have forgotten that fact?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:11 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You're literally repeating the same thing in every single post.

It's called sticking to the point and not getting side tracked.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:12 pm

aggi wrote:He doesn't really put forward an argument. He generally repeats a load of non sequiturs, something that he's read in a paper or seen online and just carries on repeating the same thing, regardless of relevance or accuracy, until everybody gets bored. His response to people refuting those things with actual facts is to just repeat them again.

Non sequitors aren't the sole province of Ringo McCartney e.g.

You voted for Brexit you are a geriatric, uneducated northerner.

They are normally used by groups of like minded people when they want to feel all smug and superior over anyone who disagrees with them.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:18 pm

aggi wrote:He exaggerated but the fact is that if we don't sign a replacement to the Open Skies agreement (e.g. if we go with No Deal) then planes won't legally be able to fly from the UK into Europe.

I'm sure it won't happen, I've known that the suggestion of No Deal was an absurdity to please people who don't understand the implications by talking tough even though it's virtually impossible to implement, but it is technically correct.

Too right he "exaggerated!"

He's knows. You know. I know. The EU knows. Britain knows that it's mutually beneficial to all parties to maintain the agreements after brexit. That's why in the real world, not the bleating Remoaner world of Oleary. Planes will continue to fly n land post brexit.

Now if people want to whine about me repeating the same thing. Let em. I'm simply keeping it real.....

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:21 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:He's knows. You know. I know. The EU knows. Britain knows that it's mutually beneficial to all parties to maintain the agreements after brexit. That's why in the real world, not the bleating Remoaner world of Oleary. Planes will continue to fly n land post brexit.

So if that's the case then how can countries like Britain benefit from leaving the EU if agreements remain exactly the same?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:22 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Too right he "exaggerated!"

He's knows. You know. I know. The EU knows. Britain knows that it's mutually beneficial to all parties to maintain the agreements after brexit. That's why in the real world, not the bleating Remoaner world of Oleary. Planes will continue to fly n land post brexit.

Now if people want to whine about me repeating the same thing. Let em. I'm simply keeping it real.....

He wasn't the one suggesting No Deal ...

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:24 pm

Spijed wrote:So if that's the case then how can countries like Britain benefit from leaving the EU if agreements remain exactly the same?

Because it suits all parties. That's what "mutually beneficial" means.

Let me try this.

We sold Ings to Liverpool. He comes back here on loan. He's no longer a Burnley player, but plays for us while until klopp can see a need for him back at Anfield. It suits us. It suits Liverpool and it suits Danny. That is mutually beneficial.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:28 pm

aggi wrote:He wasn't the one suggesting No Deal ...

This is like pulling teeth!

He's not the one living in the real world is he! Or more accurately he's pretending to be. One last time. In the real world. Because it's in nobody's interest to change the current arrangements, planes will fly n land after Brexit.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:29 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:This is like pulling teeth!

He's not the one living in the real world is he! Or more accurately he's pretending to be. One last time. In the real world. Because it's in nobody's interest to change the current arrangements, planes will fly n land after Brexit.

More importantly, what will you do with your time after Brexit?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:31 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Too right he "exaggerated!"

He's knows. You know. I know. The EU knows. Britain knows that it's mutually beneficial to all parties to maintain the agreements after brexit. That's why in the real world, not the bleating Remoaner world of Oleary. Planes will continue to fly n land post brexit.

Now if people want to whine about me repeating the same thing. Let em. I'm simply keeping it real.....

I can't be bothered to search through all your previous posts, but I can pretty much guarantee that at some point you will have written and agreed with the bizarrely unworkable - "No deal is better than a bad deal"
So let's simplify. No deal = no flights in and out of the EU for the likes of Ryanair on the day after Brexit.
(And just to clarify - I do agree that a deal will be reached whereby flights continue, but that rules out the "No deal" posturing / scenario. The EU know this, hence they have the upper hand).

And to clarify one of your other posts. I'm one of the 70% who believes that we should just get on with Brexit. That doesn't mean that I am in favour of it or think it will be good for us. I just accept that our current incompetent government are incapable of agreeing on how we do it, and it's very damaging to us all. We need direction.70% wanting to get on with it isn't the same as them wanting it to happen. It's a bit like going to the dentist, no one really wants to go, but the longer you put it off the worse the procedure is likely to get.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:37 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I can't be bothered to search through all your previous posts, but I can pretty much guarantee that at some point you will have written and agreed with the bizarrely unworkable - "No deal is better than a bad deal"
So let's simplify. No deal = no flights in and out of the EU for the likes of Ryanair on the day after Brexit.
(And just to clarify - I do agree that a deal will be reached whereby flights continue, but that rules out the "No deal" posturing / scenario. The EU know this, hence they have the upper hand).

And to clarify one of your other posts. I'm one of the 70% who believes that we should just get on with Brexit. That doesn't mean that I am in favour of it or think it will be good for us. I just accept that our current incompetent government are incapable of agreeing on how we do it, and it's very damaging to us all. We need direction.70% wanting to get on with it isn't the same as them wanting it to happen. It's a bit like going to the dentist, no one really wants to go, but the longer you put it off the worse the procedure is likely to get.

I can save you the time. I haven't said no deal is better than a good deal.

But you agree with me that a deal will be done on flights.

You therefore disagree with the silly stuff spouted by Oleary.

You want the British government to just get on with It!

Despite what you think. We agree!

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:38 pm

Here you go, Ringo. A small explanation of the concerns of airlines around what would happen in a 'no deal' scenario. It's from the Telegraph too, so not even something you can dismiss as the Remoaner press. Of course, everyone with a brain hopes we won't end up in a no deal scenario but when the PM is stomping around shouting "No deal is better than a bad deal" you can see why concern exists. Throw in that airlines need a year's notice to put their schedules together and getting some certainty on the situation becomes essential to their planning. And of course, dependent on what any deal eventually entails it could force airfares up for everyone.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... -industry/

Oh, by the way, Michael 'couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery' O'Leary has overseen the growth of an airline carrying a little over a million passengers a year to the biggest airline in Europe carrying over 120m per year. Still, I'm sure your assessment of him is spot on.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:39 pm

Rileybobs wrote:More importantly, what will you do with your time after Brexit?

Keep following the Mighty Clarets. As I have done for many a year!

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:40 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I can save you the time. I haven't said no deal is better than a good deal.
!

I never suggested that you did. You've deliberately misquoted me.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:43 pm

Bacchus wrote:Here you go, Ringo. A small explanation of the concerns of airlines around what would happen in a 'no deal' scenario. It's from the Telegraph too, so not even something you can dismiss as the Remoaner press. Of course, everyone with a brain hopes we won't end up in a no deal scenario but when the PM is stomping around shouting "No deal is better than a bad deal" you can see why concern exists. Throw in that airlines need a year's notice to put their schedules together and getting some certainty on the situation becomes essential to their planning. And of course, dependent on what any deal eventually entails it could force airfares up for everyone.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... -industry/

Oh, by the way, Michael 'couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery' O'Leary has overseen the growth of an airline carrying a little over a million passengers a year to the biggest airline in Europe carrying over 120m per year. Still, I'm sure your assessment of him is spot on.

I'll just keep saying It- planes will fly after Brexit.

And simply because he's the head a multi million pound operation doesn't necessarily mean he's not an incompetent clown.

After all. Donald trump is the president of the USA.......

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:47 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I never suggested that you did. You've deliberately misquoted me.

I wasnt trying to "deliberately misquote" you. I was simply confirming that I don't think that no deal is better than a bad one. No sarcasm,no twisting, simply confirming. But after saying that basically we agree. I cant help but think that youre starting to be silly to try and avoid agreement.

To reiterate-

But you agree with me that a deal will be done on flights.

You therefore disagree with the silly stuff spouted by Oleary.

You want the British government to just get on with It!

Despite what you think. We agree!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:58 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:This is like pulling teeth!

He's not the one living in the real world is he! Or more accurately he's pretending to be. One last time. In the real world. Because it's in nobody's interest to change the current arrangements, planes will fly n land after Brexit.

So Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davies, et al aren't living in the real world with their suggestion of No deal is better than a bad deal? I guess we agree on that. A shame that our negotiating team aren't living in the real world though.

The current arrangements are in part dependent on all of the members being part of the ECJ. We don't want to be part of the ECJ. It is not possible to carry on with the current arrangements if that is the position. There needs to be a new arrangement or no planes. Just carrying on and saying we know it will be fine isn't an option.

I know you like to think it's all common sense and it will all work out fine but in reality that's an incredibly simplistic view that bears no resemblance to reality.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:06 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I can't be bothered to search through all your previous posts, but I can pretty much guarantee that at some point you will have written and agreed with the bizarrely unworkable - "No deal is better than a bad deal"

RingoMcCartney wrote: I can save you the time. I haven't said no deal is better than a good deal.

nil_desperandum wrote: I never suggested that you did. You've deliberately misquoted me.

RingoMcCartney wrote: I wasnt trying to "deliberately misquote" you. I was simply confirming that I don't think that no deal is better than a bad one. No sarcasm,no twisting, simply confirming.

ringo literally has no idea what he's saying.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:08 pm

aggi wrote:So Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davies, et al aren't living in the real world with their suggestion of No deal is better than a bad deal? I guess we agree on that. A shame that our negotiating team aren't living in the real world though.

The current arrangements are in part dependent on all of the members being part of the ECJ. We don't want to be part of the ECJ. It is not possible to carry on with the current arrangements if that is the position. There needs to be a new arrangement or no planes. Just carrying on and saying we know it will be fine isn't an option.

I know you like to think it's all common sense and it will all work out fine but in reality that's an incredibly simplistic view that bears no resemblance to reality.

Huff n Puff about the ECJ and having to remain part of it as much as you like. But planes will fly n land after Brexit. How do you think planes get here from outside the EU already? Agreements!!!!!! If it's in everybodys interest it will happen. The bosses of the airlines will make sure it does. Stop the Remoaner pessimism.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:09 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:ringo literally has no idea what he's saying.

Whatever pal. Your ability to comprehend English is not my problem

But you carry on with the childish comments ......

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:10 pm

I suspect they asked the Brexit voters (what a crap word that is), so only 70% of them want it now!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:12 pm

IanMcL wrote:I suspect they asked the Brexit voters (what a crap word that is), so only 70% of them want it now!

WRONG!

That's all voters. Which therefore includes millions of leave voters.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/ma ... empted-so/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:19 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I wasnt trying to "deliberately misquote" you. I was simply confirming that I don't think that no deal is better than a bad one. No sarcasm,no twisting, simply confirming. But after saying that basically we agree. I cant help but think that youre starting to be silly to try and avoid agreement.
!

So what you're saying is that you accidentally misquoted me? It either has to be "deliberate" as I said, or accidental. Unless there's some other reason you can come up with.
Here's what you wrote. Now who's the silly one?

RingoMcCartney wrote: I can save you the time. I haven't said no deal is better than a good deal.
!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:19 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Huff n Puff about the ECJ and having to remain part of it as much as you like. But planes will fly n land after Brexit. How do you think planes get here from outside the EU already? Agreements!!!!!! If it's in everybodys interest it will happen. The bosses of the airlines will make sure it does. Stop the Remoaner pessimism.

I'm sure there will be some agreement, the point is that we can't continue with the current arrangements as you suggested. It will probably involve transitional arrangements and ultimately a worse deal but hey ho, that's what we've voted for.

If I was negotiating on behalf of 27 countries who had one country they couldn't fly to, and the other side was one country with 27 countries they couldn't fly to I'd be sure to leverage that advantage.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:21 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Whatever pal. Your ability to comprehend English is not my problem

But you carry on with the childish comments ......

You really are thick as mince aren't you.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:22 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:So what you're saying is that you accidentally misquoted me? It either has to be "deliberate" as I said, or accidental. Unless there's some other reason you can come up with.
Here's what you wrote. Now who's the silly one?

If you can't take on face value that I was being genuine that's up to you. You don't want to agree with me that's fine too. But as for going down a conversation cul-de-sac, I'd really prefer not to.

End of.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:24 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You really are thick as mince aren't you.

Whatever.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:25 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Whatever.

Have you even read what Quoon was highlighting?

I'm embarrassed for you these last few days. Lost it fella.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:30 pm

aggi wrote:I'm sure there will be some agreement, the point is that we can't continue with the current arrangements as you suggested. It will probably involve transitional arrangements and ultimately a worse deal but hey ho, that's what we've voted for.

If I was negotiating on behalf of 27 countries who had one country they couldn't fly to, and the other side was one country with 27 countries they couldn't fly to I'd be sure to leverage that advantage.

So you're saying "I'm sure there will be some agreement,"

You're agreeing with me.

And disagreeing with Oleary.

There may be leverage. But

Planes will fly n land after Brexit.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:30 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:If you can't take on face value that I was being genuine that's up to you. You don't want to agree with me that's fine too. But as for going down a conversation cul-de-sac, I'd really prefer not to.

End of.

Ringo, Ringo, Ringo!!!
I'm sure you are being genuine, but it's you that's in the cul-de-sac. I'm now assuming, (breaking it gently to you) that you misquoted me by accident. Everybody else has read your post PROPERLY, and is having a bit of a laugh at your expense. Now go back to the post and read carefully what you wrote. I assumed when I read it that you were trying to be smart by changing what I had written, and thus totally changing its context.
Just to help I'll include your comment once again:

RingoMcCartney wrote: I can save you the time. I haven't said no deal is better than a good deal.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:38 pm

Post 20 nil you say "I can't be bothered to search through all your previous posts, but I can pretty much guarantee that at some point you will have written and agreed with the bizarrely unworkable - "No deal is better than a bad deal"

And all I was saying was I wouldn't have said it (no deal is better than no deal) in a previous post cos I don't agree with it. You were saying that you couldpretty much guarantee that is have said it. I never have in any previous post.

If anything. You were trying to misquote me I was putting you straight.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:43 pm

[quote="nil_desperandum"]I can't be bothered to search through all your previous posts, but I can pretty much guarantee that at some point you will have written and agreed with the bizarrely unworkable - "No deal is better than a bad deal"

I might be misreading what you have written here, or I might be totally thick, but to me that looks like you are saying that Ringo McCartney has written on this forum and agrees with the concept that "No deal is better than a bad deal".
So is that what you meant or not? If it is what you meant how has he misquoted you and if it's not what you meant why did you post it?
Just asking for a bit of clarity here, not being on the same intellectual level and all that.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:47 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Have you even read what Quoon was highlighting?

I'm embarrassed for you these last few days. Lost it fella.

Save your embarrassment for your English teacher mate.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:51 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Planes will fly n land after Brexit.

That's fairly obvious but the fanciful idea that get's put out by Boris & Co. that things can be better than before is rubbish.

Take flights to the EU for example. How can the situation be better post Brexit?

We'll want a good deal, so will the EU. Therefore it'll remain EXACTLY the same as it was before. How on earth then can we get a BETTER deal that suits ALL parties?

That's simply impossible!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:53 pm

Chobulous wrote:

When somebody says they can pretty much guarantee you've said something but they can't be arsed trawling back through old posts

Then you say there'd be no need cos you didn't say it.

There really isn't anything to get confused about, I'd have thought.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:55 pm

Spijed wrote:That's fairly obvious but the fanciful idea that get's put out by Boris & Co. that things can be better than before is rubbish.

Take flights to the EU for example. How can the situation be better post Brexit?

We'll want a good deal, so will the EU. Therefore it'll remain EXACTLY the same as it was before. How on earth then can we get a BETTER deal that suits ALL parties?

That's simply impossible!

More fake huffing n puffing.

What part of sentence "planes will fly n land after Brexit"

Do you disagree with?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:56 pm

Just re-read Quoon's post and all will become clear Ringo.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:01 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Just re-read Quoon's post and all will become clear Ringo.

The best bit about this thread is that I realise that you lot think you're playing me and I'm naively falling for it.

I'm not!

But the fact that I must wind you up so much that you all keep popping back for more believing it! Means I'm playing you!

Sorry to give the game away ladies.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:02 pm

We're not playing you, we're just bewildered at how ******* thick you are.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:03 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:More fake huffing n puffing.

What part of sentence "planes will fly n land after Brexit"

Do you disagree with?

Of course they will land after Brexit, but Boris and Co. seem to think that we can get a BETTER deal for Britain.

This is one example where it's impossible to get anything other than a status quo, just like it will be in 99.99% of other areas.