Compensation agreed ??

[Sidney1st]

Ridiculous comment

Which bit?

Can't be anymore ridiculous to your comment comparing him to Coyle

[jedi_master]

But if he's given the opportunity and he really wants it, it would be stupid to turn it down. It's as simple as that.

Exactly.

How ofte does the Everton job come up? Fair enough, they gave sacked two since Moyes but they were both poor fits.

Moyes was there for over a decade.

[Winstonswhite]

Its not the move its the timing. Also the Burnley curse falls on managers who leave us in the lurch,dont want that to happen to SD.

I’m sorry but leaving us 7th in the Premier League with 50 million + in the bank, at the beginning of an international break is about as far away as possible from being in “the lurch”!

[DCWat]

But he hasn’t lied

[mybloodisclaret]

Boden said recently there is a gentlemans agreement in the PL between clubs to not poach a manager during the season.
Apparently it's been in place since Bolton poached Coyle.

Thinking about it, Coyle was the last manager to switch PL during a season.

Gentlemen's agreement counts for nothing when the success of a multi million pound business is on the lines. The established premier league clubs think they can what they want to us.

Also, someone pointed out, Pardew left Toon mid season to get on the manager merry-go-round at Palace.

[Sidney1st]

Exactly.

How ofte does the Everton job come up? Fair enough, they gave sacked two since Moyes but they were both poor fits.

Moyes was there for over a decade.

Maybe he doesn't want to go to Everton.

A stable club who're potentially going to replace managers the moment it gets slightly tough.

[Firthy]

Not sure how anyone can hate/be annoyed with SD if he takes this job.

If he goes in the summer I would agree but if heaves halfway through our most successful season in the Premier League then I for one will be very disappointed and disillusioned. It will make all his previous comments and candor meaningless and will bring back memories of Coyle doing the same thing.

I do believe that SD is a man of honour and integrity and that if he does go it won't be until the summer. If he was to go to Everton now then my opinion of him would greatly diminish despite everything he has done for us.

[jedi_master]

I’m sorry but leaving us 7th in the Premier League with 50 million + in the bank, at the beginning of an international break is about as far away as possible from being in “the lurch”!

I think the international break is the key factor as to why I am convinced this is happening.

Dyche strikes me as a man of such integrity that he may have even said to Everton/Burnley, lets leave this till after the Southampton game and then Burnley have two weeks to sort a replacement. Would not surprise me at all.

[taio]

So not much difference to the lying Jock

My feelings about Coyle leaving weren't as strong as many people. But such comparisons are just plain foolish. If he leaves for Everton and you can't be thankful for his time here then that would reflect more on you than it would him.

[Firthy]

I think the international break is the key factor as to why I am convinced this is happening.

Dyche strikes me as a man of such integrity that he may have even said to Everton/Burnley, lets leave this till after the Southampton game and then Burnley have two weeks to sort a replacement. Would not surprise me at all.

This is where we disagree. There is no integrity in leaving a club halfway through the season and if he goes and takes his backroom staff with him and we end up getting relegated, would you still feel the same toward him.

[jedi_master]

If he goes in the summer I would agree but if heaves halfway through our most successful season in the Premier League then I for one will be very disappointed and disillusioned. It will make all his previous comments and candor meaningless and will bring back memories of Coyle doing the same thing.

I do believe that SD is a man of honour and integrity and that if he does go it won't be until the summer. If he was to go to Everton now then my opinion of him would greatly diminish despite everything he has done for us.

Dyche has been very honest about his position at Burnley throughout his tenure, he has never lied about his loyalty ala Coyle.

Dyche has, at various points said things such as "This isn't a forever story", he has repeatedly brought up the fact he wasn't liked by Burnley fans for his first six months which leads me to think he is acutely aware we have a fickle set who would round on even him if the going got tough here too.

In the media for every job he has been linked to he has never once stated his commitment to Burnley, even inviting offers in my eyes.

None of what I am saying is a criticism of Dyche, what I am saying is he has been preparing our fanbase for the reality of him jumping ship when the first decent sized project is offered. He has never once lied about his commitment to Burnley publically. He is a million miles from Owen Coyle in every way possible.

[DCWat]

As much as I don’t want it to happen, during the break is the best possible time (with the exception of at the season’s end). It gives us time to find a manager and also gives whoever is recruited the opportunity to assess the squad ahead of the January window.

Whoever comes in, if it comes to it, should also have a decent kitty for January.

I personally wouldn’t be against a manager from abroad, who may be able to open up the foreign market to us, more readily.

[Sidney1st]

Gentlemen's agreement counts for nothing when the success of a multi million pound business is on the lines. The established premier league clubs think they can what they want to us.

Also, someone pointed out, Pardew left Toon mid season to get on the manager merry-go-round at Palace.

Permission was given, all above board and minimal aggro compared to Coyle

[TVC15]

Could not be more different to Coyle.

Horseface was meeting with Garside at least a month before there was any approach. They are completely different characters.

The evidence of how different they are will be seen in the reaction of Burnley fans when he leaves - for the vast majority of fans he will go with their blessing and will go down as one of the best managers in our history.

In contrast Coyle will be disliked for ever by lots of Burnley fans - including me !

[Quickenthetempo]

It would be exactly the same as Coyle leaving, as in they moved to progress their career.

It was worse when Coyle left because it had never happened before and he was held in such high regard here. That's all.

[taio]

This so-called gentlemen's agreement sounds like a load of ******** to me.

[jedi_master]

It would be exactly the same as Coyle leaving, as in they moved to progress their career.

It was worse when Coyle left because it had never happened before and he was held in such high regard here. That's all.

The thing with Coyle's departure was the manner he did it, lies in the media, January window, all backroom staff taken, transfers sorted for Burnley (Wilshere, Weiss and Holden) all re-routed to Bolton and on top of it all to a club no bigger (as history has proven).

Dyche probably will take his entire backroom unit, but aside from that every other aspect of this is different?

[taio]

It would be exactly the same as Coyle leaving, as in they moved to progress their career.

It was worse when Coyle left because it had never happened before and he was held in such high regard here. That's all.

Only if you can't see the broader picture. I guarantee you one thing - if Dyche does go there won't be broad and intense hatred towards him like there was Coyle, which would say it all.

[claretspice]

As much as I don’t want it to happen, during the break is the best possible time (with the exception of at the season’s end). It gives us time to find a manager and also gives whoever is recruited the opportunity to assess the squad ahead of the January window.

Whoever comes in, if it comes to it, should also have a decent kitty for January.

I personally wouldn’t be against a manager from abroad, who may be able to open up the foreign market to us, more readily.

You can make a good argument that, especially if we were to win today and therefore be half way to safety with 27 games to play, with a virtually a full two months until the transfer window opens, Dyche is leaving at virtually the optimum time. It gives Burnley plenty of margin to absorb the inevitable upheaval of regime change on virtually every level. A new man will have time to plan for the window, will inherit an incredibly stable group of players but will likely only need.0.66 points a game to keep us up.

There will never be an ideal time but i don't agree that the summer, when there's a month at best until the window opens and most managers are on holiday for most of the period between the end of the season and then, is necessarily a better time.

If he goes to Everton, and i reckon its still an 'if', then it will be with my best wishes. If i were him, i'd do the same.

[joey13]

My feelings about Coyle leaving weren't as strong as many people. But such comparisons are just plain foolish. If he leaves for Everton and you can't be thankful for his time here then that would reflect more on you than it would him.

What do you mean reflect more on me ?

[TVC15]

What do you mean reflect more on me ?

Think it means that you would be a bit of a d-ick to not appreciate what he has done for the club and the legacy he has left on and off the field - it's not that hard to understand.

Also when he says "you" pretty sure it's anyone who takes that stance...but you seem like one of the likely candidates

[taio]

What do you mean reflect more on me ?

It seems from what you've said that if he leaves for Everton you wouldn't be thankful for what he's done - you'd just put him at a similar level to Coyle - which in my opinion would say more about you, and anyone else with that view, than him.

[JohnDearyMe]

At long last Brent Peters time has come.

Cometh the hour cometh the man

[Quickenthetempo]

The thing with Coyle's departure was the manner he did it, lies in the media, January window, all backroom staff taken, transfers sorted for Burnley (Wilshere, Weiss and Holden) all re-routed to Bolton and on top of it all to a club no bigger (as history has proven).

Dyche probably will take his entire backroom unit, but aside from that every other aspect of this is different?

Everyone lies to the media daily in football, they have too many press conferences not too.

You only get hurt by the ex girlfriends leaving that you loved.

The people who still bang on about Coyle are the ones who will have loved him the most. I join in with all the hostility on the ground towards him as it adds to the atmosphere.

[joey13]

none

[Bordeauxclaret]

Try reading the full post , “not much different to the lying Jock” do keep up

It’s a lot different though isn’t it.
Unless you are weird people genuinely don’t get upset at people trying to better themselves by taking jobs they think have better prospects and pay.
The whole thing about Coyle was the lies he told around the whole thing.

[joey13]

It’s a lot different though isn’t it.
Unless you are weird people genuinely don’t get upset at people trying to better themselves by taking jobs they think have better prospects and pay.
The whole thing about Coyle was the lies he told around the whole thing.

So you think Dyches representatives haven’t been speaking with Everton?

[DCWat]

You can make a good argument that, especially if we were to win today and therefore be half way to safety with 27 games to play, with a virtually a full two months until the transfer window opens, Dyche is leaving at virtually the optimum time. It gives Burnley plenty of margin to absorb the inevitable upheaval of regime change on virtually every level. A new man will have time to plan for the window, will inherit an incredibly stable group of players but will likely only need.0.66 points a game to keep us up.

There will never be an ideal time but i don't agree that the summer, when there's a month at best until the window opens and most managers are on holiday for most of the period between the end of the season and then, is necessarily a better time.

If he goes to Everton, and i reckon its still an 'if', then it will be with my best wishes. If i were him, i'd do the same.

I was thinking more of a time perspective but that’s a fair point, Spice.

[Sidney1st]

So you think Dyches representatives haven’t been speaking with Everton?

Makes it messy if so, Burnley could put Dyche on gardening leave until the summer if that's the case.

[taio]

So you think Dyches representatives haven’t been speaking with Everton?

We don't know. Do you?

[Dyched]

he has repeatedly brought up the fact he wasn't liked by Burnley fans for his first six months which leads me to think he is acutely aware we have a fickle set who would round on even him if the going got tough here too.

There isn't a set of fans in this country who'd be happy watching that 6 months and wondering what the hell is going on. He's deluded if he thinks Everton fans will put up with that crap.

It's easy to look back now saying he was laying the foundations and so on but at the time it was awful. I actually left on 60mins one game it was that bad. Football fans want a huge lift in results/performances under a new man. If they don't they won't back their new man. A la Laws

[joey13]

Beggars belief people think Dyches representatives haven’t spoke with Everton

[joey13]

We don't know. Do you?

It’s football, it’s what happens, grow up !

[taio]

Beggars belief people think Dyches representatives haven’t spoke with Everton

I wouldn't know either way. You obviously do so tell us more.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Dyche did brilliantly to get us up, made a mistake in sending us down, rectified it with another brilliant promotion and then mirrored it by keeping us up last season. To top it off he has put us in great shape this season, with probably 22 more points needed from 28 games to stay up. He has shown loyalty (and had it reciprocated) during that period. He has developed players and sold them at a big profit.

Against that backdrop, if he wants the Everton job and is offered it, I will drive him there myself, not to get rid of him but to say how much I appreciate his time with us. There comes a point where I want what is best for his career, staying at Burnley another 15 years probably isn’t. If however he judges that Everton is a big risk with an unbalanced squad, imminent ground disruption and interfering owners, I’d be delighted with him staying at Burnley.

One thing is for sure though - if he takes over at Everton, instils pragmatic football, and they finish 14th and 12th in two seasons (as an example) - most Everton fans would view that as failure. It is a different type of tough job.

[taio]

It’s football, it’s what happens, grow up !

Grow up

[Steve1956]

This so-called gentlemen's agreement sounds like a load of ******** to me.

Good post mate, gentleman's agreement in football? GTFOH!!!

[joey13]

I wouldn't know either way. You obviously do so tell us more.

Tell me if Dyche is announced as Everton manager on Monday , you think all the negotiations have been done in 24 hours ?

[Sidney1st]

Tell me if Dyche is announced as Everton manager on Monday , you think all the negotiations have been done in 24 hours ?

For Dyche alone, yeah would be pretty easy.

[clarethomer]

I won't believe anything until Nixon has confirmed it.

[joey13]

For Dyche alone, yeah would be pretty easy.

You carry on living in your bubble Sidney

[taio]

Tell me if Dyche is announced as Everton manager on Monday , you think all the negotiations have been done in 24 hours ?

So what would be your problem if contact has been made between Everton and Dyche's reps if you accept that such dialogue is essential for a deal to happen?

[Sidney1st]

I won't believe anything until Nixon has confirmed it.

Nixon has already stated it's the Agent making noises, not Dyche and Dyche probably didn't need or want his agent to make noises.

[Sidney1st]

You carry on living in your bubble Sidney

For one person it can be done fairly quickly if both parties want to make it happen.

You're the one who doesn't get that clearly.

[Spijed]

There comes a point where I want what is best for his career, staying at Burnley another 15 years probably isn’t.

So you'd rather want what's best for SD even if it's to the detriment of Burnley FC?

[Wile E Coyote]

The thing with Coyle's departure was the manner he did it, lies in the media, January window, all backroom staff taken, transfers sorted for Burnley (Wilshere, Weiss and Holden) all re-routed to Bolton and on top of it all to a club no bigger (as history has proven).

Dyche probably will take his entire backroom unit, but aside from that every other aspect of this is different?

But apart from that !!!!!! all his backroom staff, and the manager himself, well that's not too bad then, fair enough.

[Sidney1st]

To take his staff will also require a decent amount of compensation and lots of negotiations.

We've still no proof that Everton have approached him or the club yet though...

Apart from some crappy twitter account desperate to be in the know.

[Dyched]

These coyle haters should of been thankful he left. After all they say he's a crap managers and he took his crap signings with him.

[joey13]

So what would be your problem if contact has been made between Everton and Dyche's reps if you accept that such dialogue is essential for a deal to happen?

Have a think about it and let me know what you come up with , it’s not that difficult.

[Sidney1st]

Have a think about it and let me know what you come up with , it’s not that difficult.

If you can understand it then clearly it can't be difficult...