Hang your heads in shame BBC.

[gandhisflipflop]

Imploding turtle - I did not find out through the DM or the Sun. I also fail to see what difference it makes anyway where I found out.

[Imploding Turtle]

Imploding turtle - I did not find out through the DM or the Sun. I also fail to see what difference it makes anyway where I found out.

It doesn't make a difference to this being a non-story. But it would go towards motive as to why this is being pushed towards you as if it's a scandal.
You're probably being manipulated.

[gandhisflipflop]

Ah the old being manipulated line. Righto IT.

[quoonbeatz]

Imploding turtle - I did not find out through the DM or the Sun. I also fail to see what difference it makes anyway where I found out.

did you find out from barrowford celtic?

[gandhisflipflop]

It doesn't really matter how I found out does it.

[Imploding Turtle]

It doesn't really matter how I found out does it.

If it was actually scandalous, no. But since it's been shown that it's not a scandal then it's perfectly reasonable to try and understand why you thought it was, and if you were being maniupulated into spreading it.

[RingoMcCartney]

Basically does the advert not break the UK government's rules on employment?

It says:

1. Overview

It is against the law to treat someone less favourably than someone else because of a personal characteristic, eg religion, gender or age.

Discrimination can include:

not hiring someoneselecting a particular person for redundancypaying someone less than another worker without good reason

You can discriminate against someone even if you don’t intend to. For example, you can discriminate indirectly by offering working conditions or rules that disadvantage one group of people more than another.

https://www.gov.uk/employer-preventing-discrimination" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

I think (and this is just guesswork) that because they are not the only recruitment consultants used, then people will still be able to apply, regardless of what colour, sex, gender etc etc through other recruitment agencies or the BBC.

Course, if it turns out that this is only available through them, then its not great.

Complete guess though, and perfectly happy to be proved wrong!

[NottsClaret]

Anyway, I wonder how it works. Because not many folk include 'race' on their CV do they? I know I don't. Nor a picture. Curious as to how the recruitment agency filters out any rogue whites applying for jobs they're advertising.

Do they call them in first to check for sufficient ethnicity before sending them off to the Beeb? Or do they have a sneaky look on social media and check for an under the radar light skinned applicant? Does anyone know.

[Imploding Turtle]

Anyway, I wonder how it works. Because not many folk include 'race' on their CV do they? I know I don't. Nor a picture. Curious as to how the recruitment agency filters out any rogue whites applying for jobs they're advertising.

Do they call them in first to check for sufficient ethnicity before sending them off to the Beeb? Or do they have a sneaky look on social media and check for a rogue light skinned applicant? Does anyone know.

Sun bed dialed up to 11. If they get skin cancer then they can't apply.

[NottsClaret]

I had a mate (white British) who came back from two weeks in Florida and got racially abused in Lane Ends in Rosegrove. So it's a possible route, if anyone's keen enough on the job.

[ClaretEngineer]

it may be that this journalist will be expected to work among people of the same colour in order to create some form of perceived “one of us” type of feeling in order for material to be gained.

Dropping white folk into a black village would probably not have the same effect as dropping in a black journalist.

It think it is acceptable if your are looking for a close match for the person you are portraying in an acting role say.

You wouldn’t have a black female actress playing Douglas Bader, no matter how good she was at acting.

Nor would you have Jude Law playing Martin Luther King.

[RingoMcCartney]

it may be that this journalist will be expected to work among people of the same colour in order to create some form of perceived “one of us” type of feeling in order for material to be gained.

Dropping white folk into a black village would probably not have the same effect as dropping in a black journalist.

It think it is acceptable if your are looking for a close match for the person you are portraying in an acting role say.

You wouldn’t have a black female actress playing Douglas Bader, no matter how good she was at acting.

Nor would you have Jude Law playing Martin Luther King.

Imagine jobs for policemen are advertised in let's say; Northumberland, Cornwall, Norfolk or Devon.

And the adverts says " people with yellow, black or brown skin need not apply as youre expected to work among people of the same colour in order to create some form of perceived “one of us” type of feeling in order for material to be gained."......

The Guardianistas, the BBC, Yasmin Alibhaie Brown, the labour party and the hysterical UTC lefties would get a communal semi on, at the thought of how much political capital they'd think they could make.

Stop trying to excuse the inexcusable....

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Just looking at gender pay gap - looks like I'm in an area where women get paid more than men on average. (Gwynedd) 15% more than men. To me that's great news no bitterness or that there is gender discrimination.

They're obviously worth it.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegr ... -area/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rossendale is another area where women get paid more than men.

Why on earth men in skilled jobs get paid 25% more than women in skilled jobs staggers me. Still very cushy being a White Male in the UK.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

From BBC website

Unequal pay for men and women doing the same job has been illegal for more than 40 years. But our analysis of ONS data shows that men are paid more per hour in 225 jobs out of the 281 where there are figures for both sexes.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42094604" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enter your own job and see how much more men get paid for doing the exact same job as a woman.

As an example.

Paramedics : women paid 7% less than men in last year
Ambulance staff (exc. Paramedics) : women paid 2% more than men in last year.

[RingoMcCartney]

From BBC website

Unequal pay for men and women doing the same job has been illegal for more than 40 years. But our analysis of ONS data shows that men are paid more per hour in 225 jobs out of the 281 where there are figures for both sexes.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42094604" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enter your own job and see how much more men get paid for doing the exact same job as a woman.

As an example.

Paramedics : women paid 7% less than men in last year
Ambulance staff (exc. Paramedics) : women paid 2% more than men in last year.

There's a difference between what some one is paid, and what some one earns.....

Men tend to work longer hours. Do more anti social overtime. If you earn more. You'll be paid more, even if the hourly rate is identical.

Woman in both their 20s and 30s are earning more than men on average. Stop cherry picking your facts to suit you're agenda. After that women CHOOSE to have kids and consequently their earnings reduce.

It's not about discrimination towards women. It's about women making lifestyle choices. Many are happy putting their families before their careers. Stop criticizing women and denying choice for women.

Have a great weekend of self flagellation and man-hating.

[SonofPog]

You might want to update your knowledge of this subject sir.

https://fullfact.org/economy/UK_gender_pay_gap/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RingoMcCartney]

You might want to update your knowledge of this subject sir.

https://fullfact.org/economy/UK_gender_pay_gap/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for that! Here's a couple of lines from the above.

"For full-time employees in their 20s and 30s the pay gap is relatively small."

That's true! But what it doesn't say, is that the gap is in favour of WOMEN! No agenda on the , not so, full fact team there eh!? Oh no!

"The IFS suggest that this is mainly due to the knock-on effects of women reducing their hours or taking time out of work to have children."

Exactly what I said in my last post! Women making choices. You've done it again! More ammo to support my opinion! Fancy a job as my researcher!?

[Bfcboyo]

They missed the part in the description about remaining silent should inappropriate behaviour happen as it's all 'part of the job at the BBC ' where we all cover each other and dismiss everything in house.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

There's a difference between what some one is paid, and what some one earns.....

Men tend to work longer hours. Do more anti social overtime. If you earn more. You'll be paid more, even if the hourly rate is identical.

Woman in both their 20s and 30s are earning more than men on average. Stop cherry picking your facts to suit you're agenda. After that women CHOOSE to have kids and consequently their earnings reduce.

It's not about discrimination towards women. It's about women making lifestyle choices. Many are happy putting their families before their careers. Stop criticizing women and denying choice for women.

Have a great weekend of self flagellation and man-hating.

Would be interested in your opinion on the gender gap with more women going to universities than men in the UK - how do you increase the number of young men going to university without positive discrimination.

Women now 35% more likely to go to university than men.

We need to encourage more young men to fulfill their potential.

[ClaretEngineer]

Imagine jobs for policemen are advertised in let's say; Northumberland, Cornwall, Norfolk or Devon.

And the adverts says " people with yellow, black or brown skin need not apply as youre expected to work among people of the same colour in order to create some form of perceived “one of us” type of feeling in order for material to be gained."......

The Guardianistas, the BBC, Yasmin Alibhaie Brown, the labour party and the hysterical UTC lefties would get a communal semi on, at the thought of how much political capital they'd think they could make.

Stop trying to excuse the inexcusable....

Simply offering a different viewpoint. And a plausible one.

That doesn’t mean I agree with it, just a different view.

[SonofPog]

Thanks for that! Here's a couple of lines from the above.

"For full-time employees in their 20s and 30s the pay gap is relatively small."

That's true! But what it doesn't say, is that the gap is in favour of WOMEN! No agenda on the , not so, full fact team there eh!? Oh no!

"The IFS suggest that this is mainly due to the knock-on effects of women reducing their hours or taking time out of work to have children."

Exactly what I said in my last post! Women making choices. You've done it again! More ammo to support my opinion! Fancy a job as my researcher!?

Read the whole thing, it's small. It's not in favour of woman, it's shown in Table 6, btw. your referencing one, discredited report from one job site, that found woman, in their twenties, with 0-2 years experience where offered more (not paid - offered) more.

I'll even link it for you, http://fortune.com/2016/04/12/women-are ... rning-men/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, woman having children affects their pay. Disproportionately. Didn't say it didn't...

Now, the lines that you ignore because it doesn't fit your world view

"And their account doesn’t explain the part of the gap that exists before the birth of the first child"

And again table 6, which breaks down that pay gap for you. the only time woman are paid more than men is in their twenties, is for part time work.

Hence why I didn't say you were wrong, just you should educate yourself of the full, complex matters involved, rather than spouting out of date incorrect data and then telling people they're man haters. But that would require subtly and nuance.

[Imploding Turtle]

Are we still talking about this debunked bullshit? Oh, no. The purse clutchers have moved to something else.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

There's a difference between what some one is paid, and what some one earns.....

Men tend to work longer hours. Do more anti social overtime. If you earn more. You'll be paid more, even if the hourly rate is identical.

Woman in both their 20s and 30s are earning more than men on average. Stop cherry picking your facts to suit you're agenda. After that women CHOOSE to have kids and consequently their earnings reduce.

It's not about discrimination towards women. It's about women making lifestyle choices. Many are happy putting their families before their careers. Stop criticizing women and denying choice for women.

Have a great weekend of self flagellation and man-hating.

I look at all facts - I've already mentioned that in my region Gwynedd women are paid on average 15% more than men - this area being more of the service industry wheras other areas where there is a lot more of skilled work it'll be a gender gap of 25% or so in favour of men.

It has been suggested that differences between men and women (women more altruistic and men more career minded etc) would account for about 10% of the gender gap.


As for jobs where men and women are doing exactly the same job - same hours, same conditions - men are probably more likely to go to the boss and ask for a pay rise.

[RingoMcCartney]

Would be interested in your opinion on the gender gap with more women going to universities than men in the UK - how do you increase the number of young men going to university without positive discrimination.

Women now 35% more likely to go to university than men.

We need to encourage more young men to fulfill their potential.

Agree 100%

[RocketLawnChair]

Unless you actually wanted the job advertised I can't understand why anybody would be that arsed what the advert contains tbh.

Still I suppose it lets a few take the high horse out of the paddock for a gallop..

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Agree 100%

But that's the thing I think positive discrimination in all it's forms is trying to solve a problem as a quick fix rather than something that takes a little longer but is fair to everyone.

I think a lot of young men need more male role models who read (not just newspapers, car manuals and football forums) - it's often seen as something women do. Not for men.

Encourage them to read.

If you look around these museums that show working class life in victorian times - you always see these huge libraries in the working men's clubs where they'd be trying to improve their knowledge - self betterment.

[RingoMcCartney]

I look at all facts - I've already mentioned that in my region Gwynedd women are paid on average 15% more than men - this area being more of the service industry wheras other areas where there is a lot more of skilled work it'll be a gender gap of 25% or so in favour of men.

It has been suggested that differences between men and women (women more altruistic and men more career minded etc) would account for about 10% of the gender gap.


As for jobs where men and women are doing exactly the same job - same hours, same conditions - men are probably more likely to go to the boss and ask for a pay rise.

A man earns 10 quid. A woman working along side him earns 10 quid also. They PAY is identical.

The man is more likely to do more hours overtime.

At end of the week, her wage is less than him. Hes done the overtime so he's EARNED more.

But the feminazis and the usual hystericals, scream garbage about there being a "PAY" gap.

Isn't it funny the Harmanns, the Grears, Chakrabatis, remain silent on the earnimgs gap between 18 to 30 year olds. The homeless being around 95% men. Young British boys being the very lowest demographic for educational attainment. On the suicide epidemic among men and boys. On, as you say, the diminishing number of young men not a going to uni. On men being totally disprortionately over represented in jobs that cause work related illness, accidents and death.

Yes the professional midandrists are tight lipped when it suits their entitled and privileged position.

[RingoMcCartney]

But that's the thing I think positive discrimination in all it's forms is trying to solve a problem as a quick fix rather than something that takes a little longer but is fair to everyone.

I think a lot of young men need more male role models who read (not just newspapers, car manuals and football forums) - it's often seen as something women do. Not for men.

Encourage them to read.

If you look around these museums that show working class life in victorian times - you always see these huge libraries in the working men's clubs where they'd be trying to improve their knowledge - self betterment.

Again I agree with everything you say there. Too many tv adverts depict the man as the buffoon, the brunt of the joke, infantile.

The feminization of society brought about by a few vociferous feminazis and the reluctance of too many emasculated men to say "enough" has made things worse for boys and young men.

This is what midandrist-in-chief, Julie Birchall said, "It won’t, not unless men get their act together, have their power taken from them and behave themselves. I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back."

"I hope heterosexuality doesn’t survive, actually."

Imagine if a bloke had said that about women. Or if it had been said about Muslims, black or Jewish people!

Or this hateful bit of anti white racism-

https://youtu.be/SNuA_0-vuow" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The left some how feel they're immune from being outed for blatent anti white racism.

Alibhai Brown infamously said about white working class man-hating

"“I don’t like them. I want them to be a lost species in a hundred years.”

Only a hate filled vile creature would say anything like that. But only one on the Left would be allowed to get away with it and given more oxygen of air time and column inches in like-minded left wing media outlets like the BBC....

[RingoMcCartney]

Simply offering a different viewpoint. And a plausible one.

That doesn’t mean I agree with it, just a different view.

Ok, that's fair enough.

[Walton]

Imploding turtle - I did not find out through the DM or the Sun. I also fail to see what difference it makes anyway where I found out.

Was it Breitbart?

[Bfcboyo]

We need to emigrate.

[RingoMcCartney]

Read the whole thing, it's small. It's not in favour of woman, it's shown in Table 6, btw. your referencing one, discredited report from one job site, that found woman, in their twenties, with 0-2 years experience where offered more (not paid - offered) more.

I'll even link it for you, http://fortune.com/2016/04/12/women-are ... rning-men/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, woman having children affects their pay. Disproportionately. Didn't say it didn't...

Now, the lines that you ignore because it doesn't fit your world view

"And their account doesn’t explain the part of the gap that exists before the birth of the first child"

And again table 6, which breaks down that pay gap for you. the only time woman are paid more than men is in their twenties, is for part time work.

Hence why I didn't say you were wrong, just you should educate yourself of the full, complex matters involved, rather than spouting out of date incorrect data and then telling people they're man haters. But that would require subtly and nuance.

"discredited report from one job site, that found woman, in their twenties, with 0-2 years experience where offered more "

Utter garbage.

Simply Google "pay for women under 30 compared to men"

Women have kids and make lifestyle choices. When they return to work they simply cannot expect to carry on where they left off and take the better paid jobs that men (and other women) have worked their way up to while they've been away. Often for many years.

When you watch a horse race if the jockey falls off. Is he allowed to catch the horse further up the course, remount, and win the race?

NO!

[Bfcboyo]

Im off to N Korea. Not sick of the diplomacy and human rights more the whining.

I yearn for something to whine about , a battle worth fighting.

We simply have it to good. A fall will come soon and we will realise these good times were not worth moaning about.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

FAO Ringo

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psyc ... ndry%3famp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Suggesting that widespread endemic misandry is a response to centuries of misogyny and the fact that society at large doesn't challenge extremist feminist thinking.
Seems to be fairly balanced.

[Saxoman]

To be fair, minorities do deserve a break, a fair shot. I don't see the problem?

[Bfcboyo]

Back to religion it is then.

[Garnerssoap]

Seriously. You all give that much of a f u. K ? We've got got arsenal on Sunday

[gandhisflipflop]

Was it Breitbart?

I've never heard of it.

[RingoMcCartney]

FAO Ringo

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psyc ... ndry%3famp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Suggesting that widespread endemic misandry is a response to centuries of misogyny and the fact that society at large doesn't challenge extremist feminist thinking.
Seems to be fairly balanced.

Fabulous read. Thanks very much for posting. Cheers!