Was it a pen ?

[Rick_Muller]

Is that the same pushing contact as Tarky made ...YOU BUFFOON?

I included the requisite smiley... ah well

[Bin Ont Turf]

I included the requisite smiley... ah well

Smiley etiquette determines that you should have put it after the word BUFFOON.

Anyroad, I'm going to need evidence of this 'contact' for me to believe anyone.

[mickleoverclaret]

Once or twice might have been a coincidence, but it's very clear the league want Arsenal winning these games. We gave the ref the opportunity to give something and he took it with both hands.

[Rick_Muller]

Smiley etiquette determines that you should have put it after the word BUFFOON.

Anyroad, I'm going to need evidence of this 'contact' for me to believe anyone.

Ballhooks - back to social media etiquette school for me

[Juan Tanamera]

You are terrible losers!

The only terrible losers I can think of are playing in League 1.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

He does touch him though, before he gets the ball.

So a bit like the tackle on Brady on the halfway line then in the 1st half. Nothing was given then either

[addisclaret]

I'm surprised that Mason didn't snatch the ball from Sanchez and take the Pen himself.

Signed in just to like that. Cheered me up has that

[Caernarfon_Claret]

I think the problem is not is it a penalty but why three games in a row marginal calls have gone Arsenal's way, with the last kick of the match.

[Tall Paul]

So a bit like the tackle on Brady on the halfway line then in the 1st half. Nothing was given then either

Yes. I'm not sure what your point is?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Neither were seen as fouls by the officials, both incidents closely resembled one another (from memory), there's nothing else really to grasp

[Inchy]

It was a pen. It’s crap but it was. I’m gutted

[Tall Paul]

Neither were seen as fouls by the officials, both incidents closely resembled one another (from memory), there's nothing else really to grasp

I was responding to a post saying Brady didn't touch Bellerin and got the ball, when he clearly did touch him.

[tim_noone]

It was a pen. It’s crap but it was. I’m gutted

It was a dive of the highest order even better than the one at man city.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It was a dive of the highest order even better than the one at man city.

Superman leaving a window springs to mind

[THEWELLERNUT70]

I was responding to a post saying Brady didn't touch Bellerin and got the ball, when he clearly did touch him.

Yes

And I was responding by acknowledging there was contact in that incident as there also was in the Brady incident!

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Arsenal of course the only team in the Premier League not there on merit - they finished sixth in their last "promotion" season and were elected rather than promoted.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

In 1919, the First Division was extended from 20 to 22 clubs. During previous expansions, the relegated clubs from the previous season were re-elected, while the top Second Division sides were promoted as usual.

Therefore, Derby and Preston, the two top Second Division sides in 1915 (there had been a break for the war) did move on up. Chelsea, who had finished 19th that season, were, as expected, re-elected.

But the reason for Chelsea's escape were somewhat arbitrary. In 1915, Manchester United had, to avoid relegation, fixed their last game against Liverpool. They won 2–0 and sent Chelsea into the relegation places instead, but the new league president and former Liverpool chairman John McKenna must have felt some guilt, because at the League's AGM in 1919 he gave a speech insisting on the continued presence in the top flight of the Stamford Bridge club.

More controversially though, Tottenham Hotspur - who came 20th in 1915 - were not re-elected and arch-rivals Arsenal, who had finished fifth in the Second Division had their promotion engineered by Sir Henry Norris. It has been alleged that Norris bribed or in some way unduly influenced the voting members of the Football League, in particular McKenna at the League's AGM.[1][2] McKenna made a speech recommending Arsenal's promotion ahead of Spurs thanks to the former's longer spell in the League (Arsenal joined in 1893, Spurs in 1908), although Preston North End & Wolves, who both finished ahead of Arsenal, had been members of the league longer than Arsenal; Wolves since its inception in 1888.[1] Arsenal have never been relegated from the top flight of the English game since.

[ElectroClaret]

That's right.

And it's a well known fact that Mason is descended from Sir Henry Norris.

Coincidence?

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Just starting a conspiracy theory.

That without the corruption in the league around that time Arsenal would be a non league team and we'd have had Herbert Chapman as manager in the 1920s and have won the league 35 times by now.

[Wile E Coyote]

useless ref, useless officiating for the entire match !!
He gives them the pen, yet ignores blatant manhandling of our players in the area on at least three occasions. Disgusting, yes, I'm biased, but they commit far worse throughout the game and get away with it, we end up losing yet again to the sodding media darlings, I hate them.

[Shore claret]

If Wenger was 100% sure it was a penalty why would he need to see it again?

[tiger76]

Good luck Huddersfield on Wednesday at the Emirates you'll need it,what sticks in the throat is not so much today,sounds like a 50/50 call on the pen but following on from Koscelny's blatant handball,and the farce in the 98th minute at the Emirates last season,once OK it happens,twice makes you think,three times against the same opposition something stinks.

[FCBurnley]

If that was a `clear` penalty then we would have 20 penalties in every game !!! Gotta give Mason credit for the timing though, took away any chance of a Clarets come back .Utter BS

[quoonbeatz]

Gets worse every time you see it. Never a penalty.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

The Brady incident was such a clear cut penalty for Arsenal that it wasn't even deemed worthy of a highlight

[TVC15]

Same old same old from the TV pundits -
"you run the risk as soon as you put your hands on someone"
"There was contact.."

Absolute horse sh-it. The division is just full of cheating players and incompetent referees who favour the big teams.

Ramsey cheated - simple as. He was f'in sh-it for the whole game - everyone of our midfielders was better than him. These guys are just living on previous glories. They never stop crying and surround the referee at every opportunity.

I would have been delighted to see one of our players give the Welsh cheat a right good twa-tting at the final whistle

[Tall Paul]

The Brady incident was such a clear cut penalty for Arsenal that it wasn't even deemed worthy of a highlight

Has anyone said that incident was a penalty?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Has anyone said that incident was a penalty?

So are you saying that that incident didn't warrant Arsenal gaining a penalty?

[scouseclaret]

The only terrible losers I can think of are playing in League 1.

Harsh. I thought they’d got quite good at it.

[Dejavu]

Never a pen.

[Rick_Muller]

Never a pen.

You can say that again...

[Tall Paul]

So are you saying that that incident didn't warrant Arsenal gaining a penalty?

I don't think that it warranted a penalty, but I've seen them given for less and if Lee Mason was biased/corrupt/bent and looking to give Arsenal a penalty, as has been suggested, then he had a perfect opportunity to give them one in that incident.

[martin_p]

Once or twice might have been a coincidence, but it's very clear the league want Arsenal winning these games. We gave the ref the opportunity to give something and he took it with both hands.

I think today was more about Lee Mason being an appallingly bad referee.

[martin_p]

Well I’ve waited until nearly midnight to have a look at it as I was so disappointed at the same thing happening with Arsenal yet again. Wish I hadn’t because I’m going to bed furious now! Yes, Tarky had his hands on his back, but that was a dive, pure and simple.

[superdimitri]

Dive as usual, can you honestly suspect it to be anything else?

Mind you, we should have created the same opportunity for Barnes to dive but we didn't.

Seems like one cheater in a team isn't enough any more. You need 11.

[yorkyclaret]

Had it been at the other end it wouldn't have been given, and we would all be saying it was blatant.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

I'm glad that's now eventually cleared up Tall Paul

[chipbutty]

If it had been 'tother way round the pillock wouldn't have given anything

Yes he would. We`d have been booked for simulation.

[martin_p]

Had it been at the other end it wouldn't have been given, and we would all be saying it was blatant.

Had it been at the other end our player probably wouldn’t have gone down (except Barnes maybe).

[Commy]

It looks like Tarks slipped from the replay on the Bob Lord side.

[bumba]

The Brady incident was such a clear cut penalty for Arsenal that it wasn't even deemed worthy of a highlight

Seen the Brady clip on the sky sports app, excellent block never a foul even the commentator mentions how well timed it was.

The Ramsey one after going back an back watching it several times i still cannot see how that is a penalty, soon as tarky touches him slightly i will add Ramsey has both feet three foot in the air we both arms as high as he could get em....that's a dive.

If somebody pushes you enough to make u fall over your instinct reaction is to put your hands towards the floor to stop the fall. He was also never in a millions years going to reach the ball.

There's more contact 15-20 times per game in every corneror set piece that is taken yet 98% arent given, sorry but no penalty and very very poor refereeing.

[bumba]

Had it been at the other end it wouldn't have been given, and we would all be saying it was blatant.

If it was at our end and given id of walked all the way home laughing saying the refs gifted us one there.

Id of never called it blatent, id also be saying our player will get a two game retrospective ban for diving but Ramsey wont.

[Hipper]

I've seen this on TV. To me it is clearly a penalty and Tarks is lucky he's not sent off.

The ball is headed across and Ramsay will have a free header at goal. Tarkowski has messed up in letting him into this position so pushes Ramsay and then pretends to fall over in the hope of getting away with it. He doesn't. Furthermore he is deliberately stopping a clear goal scoring opportunity. Whether Ramsay exaggerates after that is irrelevant here.

I agree that too often defenders get away with such pushes but that still doesn't make it right.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just seen this on Sky extended highlights and glad to see that my instinct live was right - if that is a pen there are 20 every game.

Tarkowski has hands gently on his back but there is no push, he is just ensuring Ramsey doesn’t run across him. Ramsey feels the hands and throws himself down, Mason buys it, successfully conned. A touch naive from Tarks but just in terms of giving the ref an option.

You will see hands on back like that at every set piece, the issue is whether a push is applied. Dyche was just being diplomatic in suggesting it was a pen, he can’t afford to wind refs up too much.

[happyclaret17]

by the letter of the law perhaps it was a pen....even though the lad dived and the ball was going way over his head....the sort of incident that happens 4 or 5 times per game so are refs going to give them every time...I think not.

[Firthy]

I've avoided this until now because I was so ****** off about the result. Just watched it several times and my only comment is that Ramsey is a cheating, diving **** and would be more at home in a pool.

[quoonbeatz]

Superb form from Ramsey.

9.5

[cricketfieldclarets]

[quote="quoonbeatz"]Superb form from Ramsey.

9.5[/quote]
Wow. Almost a 10. Will have to settle for silva.

[BleedingClaret]

Superb form from Ramsey.

9.5

If you get pushed to the floor your hands instinctively go down to below your body to save your head.
If you fling your arms out it is a voluntary movement and you're in control of your actions.
But and they keep saying it on match of the day, apparently, if you feel contact you can go down.
To the rest of us that' secondary movement not caused by by the minimal initial contact is simply cheating.
Again!

[mickleoverclaret]

I think today was more about Lee Mason being an appallingly bad referee.

Once I could accept it was the ref, three in a row and there's obviously something deeper going on.