Turf Moor stadium development - Corner stands

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:04 pm

dsr wrote:If you can find anywhere in these posts that even hints that disabled fans aren't worth this, then please quote it. Otherwise, stop making insinuations.

What I said was that these facilities aren't cheap.

Should we be spending a similar amount as to the last build dsr, seeing as you brought it into the conversation?

Let's bring the £6.5m spend up by inflation - I'm getting £11.88m based upon the date the old Longside came down.

11,880,000/14000 = spend of £848. 57 per head.

848.57 x 156 = £132,377

Are you saying we should be spending £132k for the disabled fans?

Wow.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:05 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You're clearly implying that £16k per seat is not worth it.

Only in your mind. Chester Perry said that the club were trying to do this in a relatively cheap way, I said that £5m is not cheap and £16k per seat is not cheap.

I can't complain about you making stuff up in your own mind, and I can't complain about your objections to what I say, but you're complaining about what I say when it's only the stuff that's going on in your own mind that is wrong.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:07 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Are you saying we should be spending £132k for the disabled fans?

No I'm not. Any more stupid questions?

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:08 pm

"A clone of KBRFC" maybe he is KBRFC - she's got numerous user names !

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:09 pm

dsr wrote:No I'm not. Any more stupid questions?

Why did you consistently bring the cost of some stands built in the mid 90s into the conversation then?

You clearly think that £5m for a suitable area for our disabled fans is too expensive.

No one else has said that it's expensive, just you.

Why is that your focus?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:11 pm

How are disabled fans supposed to go the toilet at half time in the CF stand for example? Cutting through the pie queues is a struggle for able bodied people at the best of times. You couldn't get a wheelchair through in my eyes, certainly not safely.

The new facilities look spot on to me. Stop whinging.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:11 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: The new facilities look spot on to me. Stop whinging.

Exactly. Stop whinging dsr.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:14 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Exactly. Stop whinging dsr.

Do your own arguing. Keep me out thanks.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:29 pm

martin_p wrote:Interesting. Wonder where the scoreboard will go then, or is that the end of it?

A massive one will be erected in front of where the away fans sit in the cfs.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:45 pm

claretandy wrote:The new shop is in the corner, not behind the bob lord.

The new offices aren't in the corner are they

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:52 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:The new offices aren't in the corner are they

I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem.

Oshkoshclaret · Post by **Oshkoshclaret** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:09 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You're clearly implying that £16k per seat is not worth it.

No he isn't.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:13 pm

Good move but it's a shame the club are only doing it because they're being forced. The so called facilities for disabled fans are an absolute disgrace and the club should hang their heads in shame that it's taken so long for them to do something about it.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:32 pm

I like the idea but from the sketch it looks terrible. I can imagine it looking very tacky and out of place, id rather they knocked down the JM and BL and rebuilt with the disabled section added to fit with the design.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:37 pm

The one joining the Bob Lord seems smaller than the one joining the JM AND JH

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:39 pm

KRBFC wrote:I like the idea but from the sketch it looks terrible. I can imagine it looking very tacky and out of place, id rather they knocked down the JM and BL and rebuilt with the disabled section added to fit with the design.

What a load of tosh ! Why don't you join the Board and offer to put in £30 million towards the cost ??

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:02 pm

Clarets4me wrote:What a load of tosh ! Why don't you join the Board and offer to put in £30 million towards the cost ??

Why do I need to fund the cost? What a weird response. If they're going to do it, do it properly. I have no idea what the figure would be but I wouldn't moan at some PL monies being invested in the infrastructure. I'd rather have a better stadium instead of 100 Ashley Barnes'.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:20 pm

KBRFC s lagging off yet another fantastic iniative by our club.

Say something nice about us - I dare you !

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:35 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:KBRFC s lagging off yet another fantastic iniative by our club.

Say something nice about us - I dare you !

Did you miss the part where I said "I like the idea" or did you purposely ignore it to have another idiotic dig at me and start round 100? I said the SKETCH looks terrible, who knows what the complete finished thing will look like.
The autistic alcoholic lawyer rampages on....

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:38 pm

Hissy fit again flower ???

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:29 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Should we be spending a similar amount as to the last build dsr, seeing as you brought it into the conversation?

Let's bring the £6.5m spend up by inflation - I'm getting £11.88m based upon the date the old Longside came down.

11,880,000/14000 = spend of £848. 57 per head.

848.57 x 156 = £132,377

Are you saying we should be spending £132k for the disabled fans?

Wow.

It cost £5m for the new stands in the 90’s. The price was £5.3m but we ended up paying £5m because of a dispute which I think went to court?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:01 pm

The Gary Parkinson stands? A fitting reminder that it can happen to anyone, even a former footballer

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:09 pm

Claretforever wrote:I’m not sure whether it’s for sale or not, but the Park View has been struggling for years. It was closed after a recent midweek match, which I’ve never know before, but has been opened for the past 2 matches, albeit with limited selection. If it is available would it not make sense for the club to purchase it? They could call it the Champions Bar, Claret Bar, Dyche’s Drinking Den or whatever, and have entertainment or a screen on the car park? I’m sure they could have it looking far better than the current fan zone, and it’s would warmer too!

Excellent shout. I propose - 'The Rovers Won't Return'!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:16 pm

Also for those saying we got two new stands for less than that. While taking into consideration inflation, also important to note how expensive it is relatively too.

5m in 1995 was probably several times our annual income. 5m now is 2.5 to 5 percent!!! Its nothing

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:25 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:The Gary Parkinson stands? A fitting reminder that it can happen to anyone, even a former footballer

You know, I think that is a lovely shout for one of them.

I am sure somebody will say it is in some way politically incorrect or something, but there we go.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:52 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Exactly. Stop whinging dsr.

Absolute nut job

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:18 am

Back on topic.....

A welcome addition which should also help with the aesthetics of the ground and hopefully assist in keeping the noise in a bit more.

Exciting times.

(apologies for the positivity - as you were.....)

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:31 am

You’re right, Jakub, it might give a bit of weather protection to the bottom tiers. I really hope they do something with the Bob Lord though, even just making sure it has new cladding and signage on it, maybe new roof cladding too, as it’s looking a mess.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:43 am

Aye, was only talking about the outside of the Bob Lord with my dad walking down to the game on Sunday....could do with a facelift and I'm sure it wouldnt cost loads (relatively speaking).

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:24 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Aye, was only talking about the outside of the Bob Lord with my dad walking down to the game on Sunday....could do with a facelift and I'm sure it wouldnt cost loads (relatively speaking).

In terms of Bob Lord stand - would it be feasible to replace the roof with the existing roof in situ with a roof similar to the JM and JH stands? If so, they could replace the roof to remove the stanchions and then perhaps, if possible, add a few more rows to the top at the back. The stand itself I would imagine is structurally sound, its just the roof stanchions that need removing. This approach could commence whilst the stand is still in use you would imagine, allowing for more time to finish the job in the summer months.

In terms of the corner stands, has anyone said or does anyone know if they will be exclusively for disable fans? i.e. will there be sections of the stands with normal seating?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:39 pm

One of our fellow posters tells me that no planning application has yet been received by Burnley Borough Council, so they'll have to get their skates on for a January start date !!!

thelaughingclaret · Post by **thelaughingclaret** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:28 pm

In today's world of computers that can accurately draw anything, why have the club realeased 2 very crude hand drawn pictures that are completely out of proportion? If it's them pictures they are showing to the council then I can see why they may be a delay in the planning process.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:34 pm

thelaughingclaret wrote:In today's world of computers that can accurately draw anything, why have the club realeased 2 very crude hand drawn pictures that are completely out of proportion? If it's them pictures they are showing to the council then I can see why they may be a delay in the planning process.

Those images clearly won’t be forming part of any planning application and I doubt the council will be particularly bothered what the new structures look like from inside the ground.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:37 pm

thelaughingclaret wrote:In today's world of computers that can accurately draw anything, why have the club realeased 2 very crude hand drawn pictures that are completely out of proportion? If it's them pictures they are showing to the council then I can see why they may be a delay in the planning process.

Yes, because I’m sure that’s what is happening.

“Here, councillor, can we build a couple of stands that look like these?” (Mike Garlick removes a crumpled piece of paper from his jeans pocket)

“Erm, not sure, can you perhaps colour em in first”.

bfcwest · Post by **bfcwest** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:12 pm

In answer to the question of building a new higher roof over the Bob Lord whilst the stand remains in use, here are a couple of examples. This way we could extend it back and get rid of the pillars without many months of lost capacity.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:21 am

Yep, as above there is no planning application in at the moment (you can search on the council website). Given it normally takes at least 8 weeks to get planning approval then a Jan start date isn't going to happen.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:20 pm

Video outlining plans now on club website and YouTube

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:22 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Video outlining plans now on club website and YouTube

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randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:30 pm

Cheers Longsider

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:13 pm

Other areas need adapting too, upper and lower tiers

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:27 pm

Now the rest of the stadium needs a bit of a paint job if you ask me

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:30 pm

Definitely...Bob Lord exterior in particular...looking very dated and shabby.

Whitgord · Post by **Whitgord** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:14 pm

Looked like video was filmed around Remembrance Day. There seemed to be lots of decisions still to be made e.g. number of ‘platforms’ in each corner building, new position of big screen (or screens?). I am also surprised there is no planning application on burnley planning website. If they intend to start in January then there must be more detailed plans somewhere.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:38 pm

No Further plans to increase the Capacity, review in the future should we are continuing to lock people out.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:52 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:No Further plans to increase the Capacity, review in the future should we are continuing to lock people out.

This is a wrong decision IMO, we are almost guaranteed another season in the prem, its not just about increasing capacity but providing better facilities and more premium seats.

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:11 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Definitely...Bob Lord exterior in particular...looking very dated and shabby.

I thought exactly the same when up for the Arsenal game. There were some Norwegian lads taking photos as they were walking down the road. It looks drab.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:42 pm

Excellent project ..but does the scheme cater for away fans who are less abled?

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:44 pm

claretandy wrote:This is a wrong decision IMO, we are almost guaranteed another season in the prem, its not just about increasing capacity but providing better facilities and more premium seats.

Andy, don't waste your breath Pal..... apparently if we can't shift a few hundred mainly poor seats where you can get ****** wet through for 30 35 quid or for 40 odd quid the restricted view ones and all the singles too, then building some quality blocks of seats with good facilities to attract extra fans is futile.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:37 pm

Still looks a botch job to me, looks like some fans in the new corner stands won't see both goals

Fill the Jimmy Mac/James Hargreaves stand properly and this will allow other areas to be changed.

RE the capacity, we are turning fans away who want two seats together or don't want to sit in the lower tiers

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:42 pm

tim_noone wrote:Excellent project ..but does the scheme cater for away fans who are less abled?

Maybe disabled away supporters will enjoy the privilege, denied to the rest of us, of sitting with fans of the opposition?