41 Palestinians Killed in Gaza

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 15, 2018 8:44 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Also, how come when I say this, I get called a nazi?

Probably because your other opinions contradict you when you say that. I've told you numerous times there's nothing wrong with hating Islams. The different between you and I is that I don't hold believing in Islam against Muslims. You do.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:16 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Probably because your other opinions contradict you when you say that. I've told you numerous times there's nothing wrong with hating Islams. The different between you and I is that I don't hold believing in Islam against Muslims. You do.

People choose to believe in Islam. Therefore I can hold their choice against them.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:32 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:People choose to believe in Islam. Therefore I can hold their choice against them.

Very few religious people choose their religion. It’s far more likely to be a result of where you’re born and how you’re brought up.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:35 pm

SmudgetheClaret

"It’s so difficult to get a truthful account on this subject it does my head in.."

The following may help:

Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized ....Abby Martin

"Previewing Abby Martin’s on-the-ground investigation in Palestine, The Empire Files looks at the long history of Zionist colonization, expansion and expulsion of Palestine’s indigenous inhabitants."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT5L4YU_Fl4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ....22.3

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:47 pm

Greenmile wrote:Very few religious people choose their religion. It’s far more likely to be a result of where you’re born and how you’re brought up.

I was brought up a Catholic.

I decided that I didn't believe a word of what I was taught because it was nonsensical and lacked even the most basic of evidence.

You always have a choice, especially in this day and age with the internet and unlimited exposure to different ideas.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:00 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I was brought up a Catholic.

I decided that I didn't believe a word of what I was taught because it was nonsensical and lacked even the most basic of evidence.

You always have a choice, especially in this day and age with the internet and unlimited exposure to different ideas.

And now you’re an atheist, right? You’ll note I specifically said “religious people”.

Even if you’re inclined to atheism, I’d imagine it’s quite difficult to “come out” as such if you come from a very religious family or country, especially an Islamic one given their views on apostasy.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:13 pm

The UN has said that by 2020, the Gaza strip could be "uninhabitable".

There is a real arrogant blood thirsty zeal, about the way that heavily armed israeli soldiers have shot dead, protesters, with nothing more than catapults, from behind a border. A border that not a single one of those protesters penetrated. How can they justify their actions?

They cannot....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:20 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:People choose to believe in Islam. Therefore I can hold their choice against them.

Maybe i incorrectly worded it while trying to be diplomatic, so i'll be more blunt. You hate islam and anyone who believes in it. I hate islam and i hate the beliefs that those who follow it hold. I hate the belief, you hate the people who hold the belief.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed May 16, 2018 5:52 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Maybe i incorrectly worded it while trying to be diplomatic, so i'll be more blunt. You hate islam and anyone who believes in it. I hate islam and i hate the beliefs that those who follow it hold. I hate the belief, you hate the people who hold the belief.

Nah you were right the first time.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed May 16, 2018 9:11 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:The UN has said that by 2020, the Gaza strip could be "uninhabitable".

There is a real arrogant blood thirsty zeal, about the way that heavily armed israeli soldiers have shot dead, protesters, with nothing more than catapults, from behind a border. A border that not a single one of those protesters penetrated. How can they justify their actions?

They cannot....

Are you the same Ringo that used to post on here?

Just I can't imagine that Ringo criticising Israel.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed May 16, 2018 9:44 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Are you the same Ringo that used to post on here?

Just I can't imagine that Ringo criticising Israel.

I just can't imagine you thinking.....

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed May 16, 2018 10:43 am

Gaza killings: Names and faces of those killed by Israeli forces this week

Eight-month-old Laila is youngest Palestinian killed in Gaza on Monday, the deadliest day since 2014 war

https://desertpeace.wordpress.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Never to forget …. never to forgive!

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed May 16, 2018 12:50 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Worth mentioning as well

"Today has been a horror show. But it’s been one of many horror shows we’ve all witnessed across the world.

On every other occasion, Corbyn calls for more dialogue, or the need to know the full facts before calling for action.

What’s different this time?"

I don't really understand your point with this, as Corybn hasn't called for military action against Israel, and he usually begins his statement by deploring whatever violence has taken place - wherever the atrocity has occurred. It's no different to how he approaches any conflict - deplore the violence, call for an immediate ceasefire, investigate what happened, and bring the two sides together to find a resolution. It's consistent, and also reasonable. The only way peace will come to that region is by getting the Palestinians and Israelis around a table and hammering out a deal.

Contrast it to Theresa May's government - who react to these things seemingly dependent on how good an arms customer the alleged culprits are, and I struggle to understand your disagreement with Corbyn's position.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed May 16, 2018 12:51 pm

One of my favourite military historians is an Israeli, and I wish his government would take his advice on counter-insurgency:

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2012/11/26/co ... eld-45992/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Wed May 16, 2018 4:55 pm

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Wed May 16, 2018 9:18 pm

The Stomach-Churning Victim Blaming by “Labour Friends of Israel” .....14 May

Craig Murray

"The true face of the organisation calling itself “Labour Friends of Israel” has been revealed today, in truly disgusting victim-blaming tweets reacting to the massacre of over fifty Palestinians – including yet more children – by the Israeli Defence Force in Gaza.

"Tragic events on the Gazan border; all civilian deaths are regrettable. Hamas must accept responsibility for these events. Their successful attempt to hijack peaceful protest as cover to attack Israeli border communities must be condemned by all who seek peace in the Middle East"

No Israelis were injured and no “border communities” attacked. This amplification of the worst extreme right wing zionist propaganda by the Likud government shows beyond doubt that “Labour Friends of Israel” is nothing whatsoever to do with the professed values of the Labour Party, but rather a well-funded entryist front solely intended to promote the interests of a violent, expansionist and aggressive foreign state.

I am not a Labour Party member and I do not know what institutional ties the “Labour Friends of Israel” has to the Labour Party, but whatever they are they should be cut off immediately.

The “Labour Friends of Israel” featured very prominently on our TV screens after the recent English local elections, beating the drum for their widespread accusations of anti-semitism within the Labour Party. They have been driving that agenda for many months. One would like to think that the mainstream media would, after today, cease to accept them as a genuine and well-motivated group and understand them for the hate-filled fanatics they truly are. Of course that will not happen, and they will be back on television shortly accusing yet more lifelong anti-racism campaigners who have the temerity to criticise Israel."

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... of-israel/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fist-size gunshot wounds, pulverized bones, inadmissible use of force by Israel in Gaza – HRW to RT

"After the protests in Gaza, we've seen injuries that you see in conflict situations, not what you would expect in policing and law enforcement situations, Omar Shakir, Israel & Palestine Director at Human Rights Watch,.."

https://www.rt.com/news/426899-gaza-isr ... -msf-icrc/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IDF has ‘enough bullets for everyone,’ senior MK says of deadly Gaza clashes

MK Avi Dichter, who chairs the powerful Foreign Affairs and Defense committee,

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-has-e ... a-clashes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The thoughts of a Zionazi!

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Thu May 17, 2018 3:50 pm

Note to all Palestinians; don’t f*ck about with people that don’t f*ck about. Shame about the small kids that were killed but it makes you think about the sort of people that take such kids on a violent demonstration. It’s almost like they wanted them to get killed just to get the headlines. Btw, I’m pretty ambivalent about the situation and eventual outcome so I don’t need any hate from the pro-Palestinians.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu May 17, 2018 4:03 pm

You're ambivalent about thousands of people being shot with live ammunition?

What a c*nt

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu May 17, 2018 4:08 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You're ambivalent about thousands of people being shot with live ammunition?

What a c*nt

Thousands now?
That's jumped a little from the 41 in the OP

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu May 17, 2018 4:10 pm

Damo wrote:Thousands now?
That's jumped a little from the 41 in the OP

Try reading the thread, in particular post 86.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu May 17, 2018 4:11 pm

Citing figures from the health ministry and a group of aid agencies, WHO official Mahmoud Daher told the Associated Press on Tuesday that 2,771 people were wounded during Monday’s unrest. Of those, 1,360 were wounded by live fire, 400 from shrapnel and 980 from gas inhalation. He said the majority of those wounded by live fire were struck in their lower limbs.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu May 17, 2018 4:13 pm

Same old smartarse, snide knobbery from Damo.
Never change.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 pm

Damo wrote:Thousands now?
That's jumped a little from the 41 in the OP

Do you think only the people who died were shot?

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Thu May 17, 2018 7:24 pm

Slowly but surely, it’s beginning to sink in: A clinical lunatic is at the helm of the Jewish state

Norman G Finkelstein

البصل site

"JERUSALEM—Declaring that it was long past time for his people to live once again on their ancestral soil, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly began calling Thursday for the Israeli return to their ancient homeland of Iran.

“The land of Iran has long been part of our heritage, and we implore the international community to work with us to ensure its return to the independent Jewish state,” said Netanyahu, adding that Israel was willing to use military force if necessary to reoccupy all 636,400 square miles of present-day Iran that were historically included in the promised land bestowed upon the Jewish people by biblical mandate.

“The so-called Islamic cities of Tehran, Mashhad, Isfahan, and dozens of others were founded on what were once ancient Jewish kingdoms, not to mention how many of our most sacred sites Iran currently occupies, including the Imam Reza Holy Shrine, the Jamkaran Mosque, and the Zoroastrian Fire Temple of Chak-Chak. In fact, Iran is home to the highest concentration of Judaic ancient holy sites anywhere in the world outside of Mecca, Lumbini, and Vatican City. We demand that the Jewish people be permitted to return to ruling our ancestral Persian homelands.” At press time, Netanyahu had approved plans to begin construction on a large Israeli settlement in downtown Tehran."

Netanyahu Announces Day Of Mourning For Fence Damaged In Yesterday’s Conflict

Norman G Finkelstein

"JERUSALEM—Wiping away a tear as he confirmed the public’s worst fears, Israel prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu officially declared a nationwide day of mourning Tuesday for a section of security fence damaged in yesterday’s conflict at the Gaza border. “We must all come together and take the time to grieve for this poor, innocent length of fence,” said Netanyahu, who throughout his reportedly stirring eulogy shared several images of the youthful barrier, which was first erected between Israel and the Gaza Strip in 1994. “Let us never forget what happened to this beautiful razor wire–topped barricade, which still had so much life ahead of it. As we lower our flags to half-mast, I encourage all Israelis to take a few moments to consider the great sacrifices made by our many brave fabricated enclosures.” Sources confirmed Netanyahu concluded the solemn ceremony with a 21-gun salute fired directly into a group of Palestinian protesters."

البصل site

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Thu May 17, 2018 9:40 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You're ambivalent about thousands of people being shot with live ammunition?

What a c*nt

There’s nothing we can do about it so let them sort it out themselves. As I said, I don’t really care one way or the other as it’s not my problem; tbh, running out of sugar for my coffee gives me more cause for concern. Swear at me all you want, that doesn’t really bother me either.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu May 17, 2018 9:43 pm

BennyD wrote:There’s nothing we can do about it so let them sort it out themselves. As I said, I don’t really care one way or the other as it’s not my problem; tbh, running out of sugar for my coffee gives me more cause for concern. Swear at me all you want, that doesn’t really bother me either.

WHAT THE F**K ARE YOU DOING ON THIS THREAD THEN?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Thu May 17, 2018 9:48 pm

I’m just watching you lot disappear up your own frothing arses.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu May 17, 2018 10:16 pm

BennyD wrote:I’m just watching you lot disappear up your own frothing arses.

What you've actually done is come on this thread to tell us all how much you aren't bothered about what the thread is about.

Just got to post something for the sake of it.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu May 17, 2018 11:28 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:Slowly but surely, it’s beginning to sink in: A clinical lunatic is at the helm of the Jewish state

And in further news, a double decker bus is parked on the moon. With anyone else I would know they were spoofing. With you, if someone told you that the rats who carried the black death were properly circumcised Jewish rats, you would believe them.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 12:58 am

About dozens of dead innocent people not from the UK:

BennyD wrote:There’s nothing we can do about it so let them sort it out themselves. As I said, I don’t really care one way or the other as it’s not my problem; tbh, running out of sugar for my coffee gives me more cause for concern. Swear at me all you want, that doesn’t really bother me either.

About how we punish killers of innocent people in the UK:

BennyD wrote:It’s not the price we pay, it’s the penalty we pay. Personally, I think that any person who kills a child or policeman should have a mandatory death sentence and the snowflakes can argue over the short term future of the rest. I object to my taxes being wasted on such worthless scumbags.

I don't get it. You lot claim to be morally superior than those of us who don't think the state should execute peopl yet here you are not giving a **** about dozens of innocent people being slaughtered just days after you've said that innocent people being killed is something you care so much about that you want to be a part of killing the killers.

I wonder why.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 1:00 am

dsr wrote:And in further news, a double decker bus is parked on the moon. With anyone else I would know they were spoofing. With you, if someone told you that the rats who carried the black death were properly circumcised Jewish rats, you would believe them.

To BlueLab calling them "Jewish rats" is redundant. Netanyahu is an evil **** though.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Fri May 18, 2018 5:45 am

dsr wrote:And in further news, a double decker bus is parked on the moon. With anyone else I would know they were spoofing. With you, if someone told you that the rats who carried the black death were properly circumcised Jewish rats, you would believe them.

Honestly I bet there are people out there who believe the plague was a planned biological attack on Western Europe by the Jews, such is the paranoia and hysteria about them by some circles

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri May 18, 2018 7:30 am

BennyD wrote:There’s nothing we can do about it so let them sort it out themselves. As I said, I don’t really care one way or the other as it’s not my problem; tbh, running out of sugar for my coffee gives me more cause for concern. Swear at me all you want, that doesn’t really bother me either.

To equate the loss of human life to running out of sugar is simply moronic. Even writing this now I feel sad that I’ve bitten at your click bait thoughts, but I feel even sadder that someone in this world is burdened with having to listen to you everyday.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:10 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:What you've actually done is come on this thread to tell us all how much you aren't bothered about what the thread is about.

Just got to post something for the sake of it.

Not really, just exercising my right to give my opinion about things on here; you do it all the time.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:14 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:To equate the loss of human life to running out of sugar is simply moronic.

Maybe, but I can do more to stop myself running out of sugar than everyone in the western world together can do to prevent the Arabs and Israelis killing each other. Also, running out of sugar has more impact on me personally than does the Gaza situation. If you want to hiss and spit about it, do so, but you’ll have absolutely no effect on either situation. Enjoy your angst.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:21 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't get it. You lot claim to be morally superior than those of us who don't think the state should execute peopl yet here you are not giving a **** about dozens of innocent people being slaughtered just days after you've said that innocent people being killed is something you care so much about that you want to be a part of killing the killers.

Throwing rocks at soldiers with guns is hardly innocent behaviour and when similar militant morons do it in this country, they too deserve what coming to them. If our security forces had a similar philosophy in dealing with said morons, I wouldn’t lose sleep over them either. There seems to be a number of left wing Arab-loving anti-semites on here, perhaps such beliefs are becoming endemic in the hard left. Just thinking out loud.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:22 pm

Throwing rocks is Dennis the Menace territory.

It categorically does not warrant snipers murdering dozens and injuring thousands of others.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:30 pm

Oh sorry, I didn’t appreciate that this was the first time they had harassed the IDF. Silly me, I thought they had been killing Israelis for many years with snipers, artillery, mortars, bombs and suicide bombers and this was just the latest incident. Please accept my apologies at such a misunderstanding.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:44 pm

Israelis killed by Palestinians, 2000 onwards: 1,251.

Palestinians killed by Israelis same period: 9,600.

88% of all deaths were Palestinian.

2,177 Palestinian children murdered by Israel.

https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri May 18, 2018 3:44 pm

At least 101,558 Palestinians and 11,962 Israelis have been injured by someone from the other side since 2000.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:38 pm

[quote="UpTheBeehole"][/quote]

What's your point? That the Israelis are 9 times as good as the Arabs or there are more Arabs than Israelis?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:45 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Israelis killed by Palestinians, 2000 onwards: 1,251.

Palestinians killed by Israelis same period: 9,600.

88% of all deaths were Palestinian.

2,177 Palestinian children murdered by Israel.

https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/

How many Israeli children have been murdered by the Palestinians during the same period? Or don't you care?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:58 pm

BennyD wrote:How many Israeli children have been murdered by the Palestinians during the same period? Or don't you care?

Follow the link and you'll find out you lazy cretin.

Palestinian kids make up 94% of the children killed.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Fri May 18, 2018 4:59 pm

BennyD wrote:How many Israeli children have been murdered by the Palestinians during the same period? Or don't you care?

134. If you’d clicked on the link provided you’d have seen so yourself.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 5:30 pm

If you 'lazy cretins' had read my previous posts, you might have seen me mention that I don't really care. However, i was making the point that you were mainly quoting Palestinian figures, not Israeli which kind of betrays where your sympathies lay.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Fri May 18, 2018 5:50 pm

BennyD wrote:If you 'lazy cretins' had read my previous posts, you might have seen me mention that I don't really care.

Interesting how you keep commenting on the thread then. I’m sure it’s just you being very clever.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 5:57 pm

BennyD wrote:Throwing rocks at soldiers with guns is hardly innocent behaviour and when similar militant morons do it in this country, they too deserve what coming to them. If our security forces had a similar philosophy in dealing with said morons, I wouldn’t lose sleep over them either. There seems to be a number of left wing Arab-loving anti-semites on here, perhaps such beliefs are becoming endemic in the hard left. Just thinking out loud.

So because some people were throwing stones you think an acceptable response is to spray everyone indiscriminately with bullets?
And because I disagree you think I'm anti-semitic?

I bet you think I'm the unreasonable one between the two of us.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri May 18, 2018 8:14 pm

Yes.
No.
Not really.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri May 18, 2018 8:20 pm

BennyD wrote:Yes.
No.
Not really.

How much sugar do you have in your coffee?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 18, 2018 8:26 pm

BennyD wrote:Yes.
No.
Not really.

Hopefully some of the Texas kids were throwing stones then.