Our transfer dealings are poor

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:28 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:Yes they were - panic signings

we signed walters on 7th july and bardsley on 25th july so i'm not sure what makes them panic signings.

unless you signed them? i guess you'd have been panicking by then.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:29 am

I thought I'd missed this Board over Summer but, after reading some of the above, I realise I haven't missed it at all

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:30 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:**** off

Funny isn't it how cry arse idiots love to whinge and call anything but are too weak to stand a comment back, keep up the good work and hope you find a backbone.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:36 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:Mistakes ??

I give you Wells / Bardsley / Walters - not one would get in any other premier league team and how much did they play last season and how much have they cost for wages and the fee for Wells ?

1. Name me a club that has not made any mistakes in the transfer market

2. Name me a club in the premier league that has made less expensive mistakes than Burnley in the last 5 years

3. Why was Bardsley a mistake ? Who would have played right back when Lowton was injured ? The kit man ?

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:43 am

This transfer window can only be judged when it is shut. I would love to see us signing players today for the 18 match day shirts available, because it is a squad game just ask Pope, Long, Bardsley, Westwood, Barnes and Taylor if it was a squad that they played in last season. Signing the right players to fit the group is important to SD and as such business will only go ahead when that fit is achieved. No deal is better than a Bad Deal !! (quite catchy that... "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal")

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:51 am

TVC15 wrote:1. Name me a club that has not made any mistakes in the transfer market

2. Name me a club in the premier league that has made less expensive mistakes than Burnley in the last 5 years

3. Why was Bardsley a mistake ? Who would have played right back when Lowton was injured ? The kit man ?

Mah Mike Duffs ahead of the kit man silly

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:52 am

I love these types of threads.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:01 am

We’ll get decent players in. No panic.

Wouldn’t mind being a senior scout at the club though. Absolutely no chance that anyone you’ve recommended will ever be signed. If we employ anyone in the UK to travel overseas to scout for us then they’re on a particularly lucky number.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:03 am

Dunno, imagine the confusion at Gawthorpe when you report you've found a cracking player in Germany called Kraig Von Dawson.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:05 am

agreenwood wrote:We’ll get decent players in. No panic.

Wouldn’t mind being a senior scout at the club though. Absolutely no chance that anyone you’ve recommended will ever be signed. If we employ anyone in the UK to travel overseas to scout for us then they’re on a particularly lucky number.

I believe we have a “head of European recruitment” that we employed last year. Lucky b*****d - club funded holidays and zero pressure to actually bring back any names.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:06 am

The Enclosure wrote:My vote for post of the close season .

I was being bloody serious you know!!!

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:07 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm reading Boysies posts and I really do have to check that we qualified for Europe by virtue of our league position.

Quite bizarre.

So we just stand still then eh - ship out Wells barsdley walters long and maybe one or two others and get some better quality in - its called progression

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:08 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:So we just stand still then eh - ship out Wells barsdley walters long and maybe one or two others and get some better quality in - its called progression

Ship out 6 now? Are you mental?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:12 am

claretspice wrote:You aren't familiar with the concept of a "squad", then?

yes but better quality - we need players who will make the first 11 on a regular basis

so you know that if everyone is fit its not the same 11 week in week out and we need some flair

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:12 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:So we just stand still then eh - ship out Wells barsdley walters long and maybe one or two others and get some better quality in - its called progression

We already need about 3 plus you want another 6or7 where are you getting the 200million plus to pay for them.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:14 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:yes but better quality - we need players who will make the first 11 on a regular basis

so you know that if everyone is fit its not the same 11 week in week out and we need some flair

So you want us to get rid of 6 replace them plus sign the other 4 or 5 we already need? I presume you can do this really quickly on Championship Manager?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:16 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm reading Boysies posts and I really do have to check that we qualified for Europe by virtue of our league position.

Quite bizarre.

One of the posters to avoid unless you think we've finished at the bottom of the fourth division

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:24 am

Early signings might go terribly wrong if we were subject to last minute bids for our key players. I think we should have a little faith in the Club. I'm sure they are all frustrated however, there is still plenty of time.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:30 am

agreenwood wrote:We’ll get decent players in. No panic.

Wouldn’t mind being a senior scout at the club though. Absolutely no chance that anyone you’ve recommended will ever be signed. If we employ anyone in the UK to travel overseas to scout for us then they’re on a particularly lucky number.

Was it Laws who was brought in for recruitment but seems to be now running the under 23 's ??

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:32 am

BOYSIE31 wrote: so you know that if everyone is fit its not the same 11 week in week out

Why? Having a settled first 11 seems to work pretty well.

Maybe you're supporting the wrong club.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:46 am

I haven’t read any of the replies to the OP but I’m thinking that maybe a few have pointed out that it is our ‘abysmal’ past record on transfer dealings that has caused us to crash to 7th place in the strongest league in the World.
Sort it out Nothing short of a disgrace

Paranoid · Post by **Paranoid** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:49 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:Was it Laws who was brought in for recruitment but seems to be now running the under 23 's ??

It is Nicky Law, and he has been 'running' the Under 23's because Michael Duff has been with the first team.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:59 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:Was it Laws who was brought in for recruitment but seems to be now running the under 23 's ??

nicky law is the head of recruitment for 17-23 year olds.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:59 am

Jimscho wrote:We already need about 3 plus you want another 6or7 where are you getting the 200million plus to pay for them.

But recoup money as said players i want to get rid off are that good to some people on here - win win

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:09 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:Was it Laws who was brought in for recruitment but seems to be now running the under 23 's ??

I think you mean Nicky Law - he's head of academy recruitment and is currently involved with the u23s because Michael Duff is standing in for Tony Loughlan and Andy Farrell is unavailable, Loughlan and Farrell have both had hip replacement ops.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:26 am

Well this escalated quickly, nice to see one of the abusive comments removed, good job mods.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:34 am

Tall Paul wrote:Why? Having a settled first 11 seems to work pretty well.

Maybe you're supporting the wrong club.

Maybe they get tired or injured

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:37 am

ClaretTony wrote:I think you mean Nicky Law - he's head of academy recruitment and is currently involved with the u23s because Michael Duff is standing in for Tony Loughlan and Andy Farrell is unavailable, Loughlan and Farrell have both had hip replacement ops.

Obvious who i meant - Was he not employed as head of recruitment ?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:49 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:Maybe they get tired or injured

You said if everyone is fit.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:55 am

Anyway bored of winding you all up now - have agood day UTC

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:03 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Obvious who i meant - Was he not employed as head of recruitment ?

I don't think we have a head of recruitment? I know we had Darnborough and Mcparland before, I'm not sure we replaced them, I do know we have a European Recruitment guy (Butterworth) I'm not sure of his actual job title, maybe he's the new head of recruitment.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:41 pm

KRBFC wrote:I don't think we have a head of recruitment? I know we had Darnborough and Mcparland before, I'm not sure we replaced them, I do know we have a European Recruitment guy (Butterworth) I'm not sure of his actual job title, maybe he's the new head of recruitment.

So whats he doing brexit - plenty of cracking players on the continent for half the price

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:42 pm

KRBFC wrote: I don't think we have a head of recruitment? I know we had Darnborough and Mcparland before, I'm not sure we replaced them, I do know we have a European Recruitment guy (Butterworth) I'm not sure of his actual job title, maybe he's the new head of recruitment.

So far as I'm aware, Martin Hodge is still our head of recruitment and has been for a few years now. Done a pretty good job, all in.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:42 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:So whats he doing brexit - plenty of cracking players on the continent for half the price

I think he works on bringing in UK players too

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:44 pm

claretspice wrote:So far as I'm aware, Martin Hodge is still our head of recruitment and has been for a few years now. Done a pretty good job, all in.

Yeah you might be correct, I thought he was in a scouting role.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:45 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:Obvious who i meant - Was he not employed as head of recruitment ?

No he wasn't - the head of recruitment is Martin Hodge. Again, he's Nicky Law and heads recruitment in the academy. He is standing in because of both Tony Loughlan and Andy Farrell having had hip surgery.

BOYSIE31 wrote:Anyway bored of winding you all up now - have agood day UTC

And you've only wound yourself up.

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:24 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No he wasn't - the head of recruitment is Martin Hodge. Again, he's Nicky Law and heads recruitment in the academy. He is standing in because of both Tony Loughlan and Andy Farrell having had hip surgery.

And you've only wound yourself up.

Lovely

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No he wasn't - the head of recruitment is Martin Hodge. Again, he's Nicky Law and heads recruitment in the academy. He is standing in because of both Tony Loughlan and Andy Farrell having had hip surgery.

And you've only wound yourself up.

Did Hodge get promoted to head of recruitment after Mcparland left? I thought he was in a scouting role.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No he wasn't - the head of recruitment is Martin Hodge. Again, he's Nicky Law and heads recruitment in the academy. He is standing in because of both Tony Loughlan and Andy Farrell having had hip surgery.

And you've only wound yourself up.

Bloody hell, first it was all those cruciate injuries and now two are out needing hip replacements! Our medical team and training needs some serious work.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:34 pm

Gotta love the forum police.

Not only do they tell you your opinion is wrong but they also started tell people when they can and cant post!

Maybe they should forget attempting to understand how football works when there’s clearly a need to study how a discussion forum works.
They must be the same kinda people everyone avoids talking to in the pub because you know no matter what you say you’ll be wrong.

And god forbid someone have any criticism for the club!

Maybe they should look at themselves when they wonder why some people don’t post regularly or perhaps think before posting in the future?

Op and many others have very valid points, if you are happy with the way the club does transfers and don’t want them to improve I personally think you’re less of a fan. Well done Op for a good post and those who have had something good to add and want the club to get better, not fall behind and miss out!

Ignore the bullies

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:41 pm

Andy may have developed OA from all the time he spent running around chasing thin air whilst with us
On a serious note he must be late 50's now so as an expro he is entitled to need a new hip. Hope all goes well for both of them

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:26 pm

superdimitri wrote:Gotta love the forum police.

Not only do they tell you your opinion is wrong but they also started tell people when they can and cant post!

Maybe they should forget attempting to understand how football works when there’s clearly a need to study how a discussion forum works.
They must be the same kinda people everyone avoids talking to in the pub because you know no matter what you say you’ll be wrong.

And god forbid someone have any criticism for the club!

Maybe they should look at themselves when they wonder why some people don’t post regularly or perhaps think before posting in the future?

Op and many others have very valid points, if you are happy with the way the club does transfers and don’t want them to improve I personally think you’re less of a fan. Well done Op for a good post and those who have had something good to add and want the club to get better, not fall behind and miss out!

Ignore the bullies

It’s a debate.
Some people are critical of the clubs transfer dealings
And some people are able to context this with how difficult it is in the market.

I don’t think anyone is saying that everything is perfect or all our signings have been a success - when clearly they have not.

But there is no point arguing for perfection when no other club achieve this. Given as a club we seem to make less expensive mistakes in the transfer market than most (if not all) other clubs in this league then one of the reasons for this has got to be that we prefer to take our time and work within certain budgetary constraints.

This will mean we often miss out on our targets - but also means we get some of our targets at a price that we are happy with.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:28 pm

Personally quiet happy with the clubs transfer policy.

I understand their reasoning for sticking to mainly UK based players, certainly seems to have fostered the team spirit that SD believes is key.

Traditionally we've been at the back of the que for transfers, due mainly to the wages we pay and our stature (likely relegation candidates). I've understood this and accept that means our business will be done quite close to Deadline Day.

Last season / Currently I believe we actually have quite a big squad (For Us), a couple of players have left, but in the main we're pretty well covered in each position. And IIRC we're going for a more quality over quantity approach this transfer window.

This again puts us up against our two main drawbacks to recruitment, wages and stature, can be argued that stature has changed, although not in the bookies eyes. But wages are only slowly going up and are probably, i would guess, still one of the lowest in the division on both an individual and collective basis.

All in All then, personally I dont expect us to do loads of business, maybe 1 or 2 players, and as usual, for the usual reasons I expect them to be done late on in the window.

Tl/Dr: Personally quite happy with the clubs transfer policies during and before SDs regime and I dont expect their approch to change anytime soon.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:47 pm

".........But wages are only slowly going up.........."

Only if you consider a 125% increase in the last set of accounts to be 'slow'( £27.1m to £61.2m).

Certainly an increase that surprised many, me included and expect a further significant increase to Jun'18.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:02 pm

I keep reading "we'll get some decent players in..."
We already have some better than decent players, which is one reason for not panicking and signing players for the sake of it.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:08 pm

Brighton and Huddersfield are going mad with the former today making their 9th and the latter making their 7th signings

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:23 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:yes but better quality - we need players who will make the first 11 on a regular basis

so you know that if everyone is fit its not the same 11 week in week out and we need some flair

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These lads will win us the league.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:24 pm

Only read the title of thread, I suppose the UTC masses / drama queens aren't moaning that we are having to sell / shift the higher earners off the wage bill which was the case not too long back.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:32 pm

The OP has got the thread title wrong. It should be:

Our transfer dealings are non-existent.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:39 pm

Longside4evr wrote:The thing is i reckon everyone is a tad concerned about no signings as yet
Would have been nice to have had at least one in and shaping into our ethnic

Our ethnic what?

Do we do some gene splicing so the team have the same DNA?