Scudamore - I hope we told them to do one

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:08 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Only a rumour, but I'm glad we are in that rumour.

Though it has to be said we've probably benefited more than anyone from the work Scudamore has done.

How so? We have only benefitted so much because of the boards prudent approach to how we operate within our budget and with forward planning, a fiscal approach if you will. That is not our fault that we want the club to outlast us all rather than the usual appoach of billionaires wanting a plaything for a few years before discarding of the clubs they own

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:32 pm

Spijed wrote:To say Sky is ruining football couldn't be further from the truth.

On the 15th October 1983 Arsenal lost at home to Coventry 1-0 and the crowd was?

A massive 20,290!

That's less than we average.

If supporters think football isn't as exciting these days, I really wonder what the problem was in the 1980's?

That's your opinion, and purely based on the PL, and our part in it.

If football is doing so well how come the F.A. are trying to sell Wembley?
Football exists outside the PL and Championship (both now awash with millionaires) and as a game it is struggling.
Where are the grass-roots pitches for starters?

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:49 pm

I am only speaking for my area but there are several other factors affecting grass roots football. First is since pubs/clubs started opening until 5 in the morning at weekends less people played on a Sunday. This decline in players was instant and hasnt changed since. Second is the cost of living. Now if a player gets injured they could be out months and people prioritise work over having a kickabout with their mates as they need to pay the bills. The biggest round us though is the 5 a side pitches and leagues which run daily whether at Fleetwoods new training facility or another close by. People prefer playing on these pitches (3g) and it is midweek whereas if its a sunday they have their missus nagging that she wants to do something for the day or time is spent with family.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:49 pm

boatshed bill wrote:That's your opinion, and purely based on the PL, and our part in it.

If football is doing so well how come the F.A. are trying to sell Wembley?
Football exists outside the PL and Championship (both now awash with millionaires) and as a game it is struggling.
Where are the grass-roots pitches for starters?

Put it this way, if you think the game is currently struggling there was far less infrastructure, little money, far fewer decent facilities in previous decades. St. Georges Park is proof of that.

You only have to look at training facilities now, compared to what they were like previously. Unless you call a few muddy pitches 'State of the art'.

Btw, when do you think football was doing better than it is now?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:54 pm

Spijed wrote:Put it this way, if you think the game is currently struggling there was far less infrastructure, little money, far fewer decent facilities in previous decades. St. Georges Park is proof of that.

You only have to look at training facilities now, compared to what they were like previously. Unless you call a few muddy pitches 'State of the art'.

Btw, when do you think football was doing better than it is now?

When it was a far better game. It's not all about money you know.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:55 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:How so? We have only benefitted so much because of the boards prudent approach to how we operate within our budget and with forward planning, a fiscal approach if you will. That is not our fault that we want the club to outlast us all rather than the usual appoach of billionaires wanting a plaything for a few years before discarding of the clubs they own

I suspect Lancasterclaret is making reference to the fact that the Broadcast Income is more critical to our club than any other in the PL, and of course that is an accurate assessment.

Taking last season as an example our total Income was £140m of which £119m related to TV Income, a far higher percentage than any other PL club. Little doubt, therefore, that we benefitted greatly from the revenue generated from the TV deal. No way could we exist with our current Wage bill of £70m within an Income of £21m.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:55 pm

Spijed wrote:Btw, when do you think football was doing better than it is now?

May 1960

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:59 pm

there is an unwritten rule with retirement collections
a) if you don't like them or don't properly know them -just coppers
b) quite like them £2
C) like them and not buying a separate present A Fiver

why break rules for Scudamore?

Based on the above even if we did it for every fan we still get no-where near the kings ransom suggested

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:05 pm

Spijed wrote:To say Sky is ruining football couldn't be further from the truth.

On the 15th October 1983 Arsenal lost at home to Coventry 1-0 and the crowd was?

A massive 20,290!

That's less than we average.

If supporters think football isn't as exciting these days, I really wonder what the problem was in the 1980's?

Can't see any problem there. Presumably all proper supporters attending, affordable, pay on the gate, an away win for Coventry at Highbury. Sounds healthy to me certainly in terms of 'a level playing field'. I wouldn't expect that any of the players were wearing gloves either.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:42 pm

I don't see what the fuss is about. It's costing us as individuals nothing directly.

Being a member of a club the chairman is retiring and our club is being asked to contribute towards a 'thank you' payment. Obviously it has to be on a meaningful scale for his lifestyle, hence £5 million.

For those that object because of foodbanks, universal credit etc., how can you justify contributing to Sky/football and all the rich people involved there, buying music etc.. Or are you of such a high ethics that you don't? What you imply you want is a revolution, but I don't think you really want that. You are too comfortable with the existing system.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:00 pm

Hipper wrote:I don't see what the fuss is about. It's costing us as individuals nothing directly.

Being a member of a club the chairman is retiring and our club is being asked to contribute towards a 'thank you' payment. Obviously it has to be on a meaningful scale for his lifestyle, hence £5 million.

For those that object because of foodbanks, universal credit etc., how can you justify contributing to Sky/football and all the rich people involved there, buying music etc.. Or are you of such a high ethics that you don't? What you imply you want is a revolution, but I don't think you really want that. You are too comfortable with the existing system.

Ray Davies was way ahead of his time when he penned 'A Well Respected Man'.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:21 pm

Hipper wrote:Being a member of a club the chairman is retiring and our club is being asked to contribute towards a 'thank you' payment. Obviously it has to be on a meaningful scale for his lifestyle, hence £5 million.

Why does it? Are you saying that if you have a very rich relative, there's no point giving him or her a Christmas present because you can't afford anything expensive enough?

A leaving present is supposed to be a token of thanks, not a lifestyle changer.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:33 pm

Statement just released from club

The Premier League has today agreed the arrangements for Richard Scudamore stepping down from his role as Executive Chairman.

The decision was made by the Audit and Remuneration Committee and the Non-Executive Directors, supported and endorsed by the clubs.

The payments, which will eventually total £5 million, will be spread over the next three years and are in consideration of three important areas:

• It was vital that a comprehensive set of non-compete clauses were extended, to ensure the best possible protection for the future of the Premier League.

• It was agreed that it is crucial for the League’s ongoing success that Richard’s unique knowledge and experience remain available in an advisory capacity.

• The payments are in recognition of the outstanding work Richard has carried out over the last 19 years.

The Premier League would like to put on record our thanks to Richard for his exceptional contribution to the success of the League.

Burnley Football Club supports the statement of the Premier League and the rationale behind such payments and the work carried out by the remuneration committee.

The club will be making no further comment on this matter.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:34 pm

Spineless.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:37 pm

So we did pay it. Nice to know the club use the money i pay for a season ticket so carefully.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:40 pm

At least we have a new excuse to use in january

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:46 pm

Would be nice to season ticket prices lowerd for a change instead of banging on how great it is they are frozen.
Won't hold my breath though.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:48 pm

absolutely shameful.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:49 pm

A democratic vote was taken and we lost so we have no option other than to pay up --we were defeated in the vote.
It's not like Brexit --they will just pay up and shut up.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:54 pm

Any other ideas multi-millionaire Bruce Buck has that we'll go along with?

Pathetic from the club, pay up if we've no choice but at least make a stand, say we're against it. Anyway, where do I sign up for those voluntary 'stewarding' roles at the Turf.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:55 pm

Football has lost its soul

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:58 pm

disgusted, **** the PL you can keep it

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:04 pm

It was vital that a comprehensive set of non-compete clauses were extended, to ensure the best possible protection for the future of the Premier League

So in essence a 'threat' was made that if these payments weren't made then there may be 'threat to the existence of the Premier League or am I reading that wrong??

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:05 pm

That's certainly how I read it. Whatever it means it's a PR disaster.

Rodleydave · Post by **Rodleydave** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:05 pm

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:07 pm

Tell you what we really are great at PR aren’t we.

Asking for free labour on matchdays, twitter account basically celebrating opposition goals, and now trying to justify a league-wide £5m payout to Richard Scudamore.

Really shouldn’t be surprised mind

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:07 pm

They have got round everything by saying that he will be available as a consultant as and when required. Crafty buggers!

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:33 pm

Statement just released from me - Dear Burnley Football Club, I have no wish to indirectly contribute to the blackmail-based pay off to Richard Scudamore. Consequently I am cancelling my direct debit. Congratulations on helping to further increase the gulf between the average fan and the Premier league gravy train. Also please can I have a refund on my £2 donation to the David Reeves Golden Gate fund.
How times have changed.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:38 pm

Premier League's PR people should be fired on the spot for how they have handled this ...

" For the next three years, Mr Scudamore will be drawing a much reduced remuneration, as he moves to an advisory role within the Premier League. His invaluble knowledge and experience will be made available to his successor, as the Premier League moves forward. In retaining Mr Scudamore's exclusive services on this basis, he will be free to take up other challenges not directly related to his previous role "

Job done, and not a murmur !!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:54 pm

working mans game ? what a load of old b*******s !!! disgrace.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:57 pm

I am far from agreeing with the payment - however:
- the single most important element from a Premier League perspective is the 3 year non compete clause
- if as the statement says it is to be spread over 3 years I would imagine it will be paid in proportion by the 20 clubs in the league each year - get relegated and someone pays in your place
- most of the monies will come from the final deals he negotiated (the next cycle) which is believed to be a 20% overall uplift on the current total deal. As a result you could call it his bonus for those negotiations and it will not mean clubs are worse off than currently

overall it is a badly publicised severance package that seeks to protect the interest of the members (clubs) and effectively puts Scudamore on 3 years gardening leave

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:11 pm

This has to be one of the most insulting things to happen to football fans.

Looking forward to January already. The club has had a £10.75m offer for Jay Rodriguez rejected , with WBA holding out for £11m.

Burnley will not make any further offers.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:26 pm

Not only is the payment a disgrace but why is it only the current 20 teams. What about everyone else who has been in the league at some point.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:38 pm

Worst decision since the retainer.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:38 pm

Not a good look for any of the twenty teams it has to be said, but especially ours.

Oshkoshclaret · Post by **Oshkoshclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:43 pm

From a PR perspective this is a disaster for the PL. They lost control of the narrative when this was originally described as a gift.

From a business perspective it makes total sense to pay £5 million for a 3 year non-compete.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:43 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Not a good look for any of the twenty teams it has to be said, but especially ours.

We voted against - the rules of the Premier League say the action is carried if at least 14 vote for and that is what happened - The club did everything in it's power short of resigning from the league - the same thing happened in the summer when it was carried that the international TV rights would no longer be shared equally as they will at least equal the domestic rights in the next cycle - we voted against over 14 voted for - what do you want the club to do

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:56 pm

Oshkoshclaret wrote:From a PR perspective this is a disaster for the PL. They lost control of the narrative when this was originally described as a gift.

From a business perspective it makes total sense to pay £5 million for a 3 year non-compete.

How would he compete? The main financial part of the job was in negotiating the TV contracts, which are set for three years anyway, aren't they?

I suppose he is now unable to work for the League of Wales in a similar role, so if the League of Wales or any other league wants to swoop in and persuade Sky to divert money from the PL, Scudamore won't be the man to do it. And how big a danger was that, exactly?

And another question - he was on £900k per year basic when he was working full time. Why does he need double that now that he's an occasional consultant?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:58 pm

How do you know that we voted against CP?

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:03 pm

“Richards Unique knowledge”

Let’s hope he doesn’t drop dead overnight.

PL has totally lost the plot

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:06 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:How do you know that we voted against CP?

going off the widely reported we were 1 of 5 who voted against

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:07 pm

Yeah, I heard that as well but wondered if you had anything more concrete.

Still, good that we did

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:09 pm

But our Board can do no wrong

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:21 pm

joey13 wrote:But our Board can do no wrong

What have they done wrong? If they voted against the motion, as has been reported, then they have done what many fans are saying, however, the 5 clubs lost the vote and other than resigning from the PL there is nothing they can do except stump up the cash --along with the other dissenters.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:24 pm

Did they actually vote against it though. You'd think they'd be crying that from the rooftops for the sake of PR...

Rodleydave · Post by **Rodleydave** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:25 pm

If and if they voted against it... why not say so instead of publishing this guff about going along with it.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:38 pm

It now appears that the clubs were denied a vote on this and were just told that they had to pay it. Shameful!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:54 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:It now appears that the clubs were denied a vote on this and were just told that they had to pay it. Shameful!

Who told the clubs, the CEO?

Rodleydave · Post by **Rodleydave** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:27 pm

So if they were denied a vote and told to pay it... then include this in the statement.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:33 pm

He retires and gets a mega payoff then this is compounded by offering a consultantcy role.
What does this cost and does the new postholder want his input