'Two thirds of Britons want faster action on climate'

[Paul Waine]

Take your point. So now I've got you and IT convinced the fossil fuel industry is being propped up by lobbying or corruption, rather than that it's simply cheaper. In a way that would be a very encouraging conclusion, suggesting a carbon-free world requires only the defeat of the lobbyists. This feels much more surmountable than if it costs more to switch over.

I'm still sceptical, but okay, consider my assumption challenged, and going forward I'll keep my eye out for things that suggest you and IT are right.

Hi iibyw, I'm not sure your "only defeat the lobbyists" is required. Take a look at all the ESG (environmental, social and governance) activity that's taking place in the financial/corporate world.

The "carbon-free world" is much more a technical/science/engineering challenge than a "hearts and minds" issue. Set against this are the large areas of the world that have only got poverty - and anything that enables these areas to develop, including enough food, clothing, light and heat and health care, is better than no development.

[Stayingup]

How about you give your opinion on the scientific consensus on AGW and then the rest of us will decide how capable you are at presenting an informed opinion.

How about you mind your own business for once. Gob almighry thats you. I replied to anotger lefti wing foyk mouth. Nothing to do with you. And whilst I'm here you never did give those figures you were spouting about.

If you want to know my views on Scientific evidence on Climate Change then check out Guido. I generally agree with him

So what are your thoughts based on? Dont state figures because your not very good at them are you.

Your better at making a noise.

[Imploding Turtle]

How about you mind your own business for once. Gob almighry thats you. I replied to anotger lefti wing foyk mouth. Nothing to do with you. And whilst I'm here you never did give those figures you were spouting about.

If you want to know my views on Scientific evidence on Climate Change then check out Guido. I generally agree with him

So what are your thoughts based on? Dont state figures because your not very good at them are you.

Your better at making a noise.

How much of a coward do you have to be to be too scared to have your opinions challenged?

[aggi]

One for IT and Paul Waine to "discuss"
Petition
Convert fossil fuel subsidies into subsidies for renewable energy
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/263313" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

One for IT and Paul Waine to "discuss"
Petition
Convert fossil fuel subsidies into subsidies for renewable energy
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/263313" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's nothing to discuss with someone who won't even admit the reality that a tax deduction is a subsidy.

[Hipper]

'Since records began in 1850, seventeen of the eighteen hottest years have occurred since 2000. Important steps on climate mitigation and adaptation have been taken over the past decade. However, these steps could now be regarded as equivalent to walking up a landslide. If the landslide had not already begun, then quicker and bigger steps would get us to the top of where we want to be. Sadly, the latest climate data, emissions data and data on the spread of carbon-intensive lifestyles show that the landslide has already begun. As the point of no return can’t be fully known until after the event, ambitious work on reducing carbon emissions and extracting more from the air (naturally and synthetically) is more critical than ever. That must involve a new front of action on methane.

Disruptive impacts from climate change are now inevitable. Geoengineering is likely to be ineffective or counter-productive. Therefore, the mainstream climate policy community now recognises the need to work much more on adaptation to the effects of climate change. That must now rapidly permeate the broader field of people engaged in sustainable development as practitioners, researchers and educators. In assessing how our approaches could evolve, we need to appreciate what kind of adaptation is possible. Recent research suggests that human societies will experience disruptions to their basic functioning within less than ten years due to climate stress. Such disruptions include increased levels of malnutrition, starvation, disease, civil conflict and war – and will not avoid affluent nations. This situation makes redundant the reformist approach to sustainable development and related fields of corporate sustainability that has underpinned the approach of many professionals (Bendell et al, 2017). Instead, a new approach which explores how to reduce harm and not make matters worse is important to develop. In support of that challenging, and ultimately personal process, understanding a deep adaptation agenda may be useful.'

This is the conclusion from this 2018 publication:

https://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's worth reading from page 6 onwards if you want more details.