Bamford

[Burnley Ace]

First to mention it but someone was going to criticise Dyche because Bamford scored a goal tonight.

I made that comment on 27th September!

[FactualFrank]

Tbf the team Leeds had out was put together for next to nothing compared to what Chelsea have spent.

Lampard had much the better of Bielsa in the Championship playoff when Lampard was at Derby. And that was even after Leeds had spied on their training and tactics.

[FactualFrank]

I made that comment on 27th September!

I think you make a good case for yourself there, ha.

[ElectroClaret]

I really like Timo Werner, cracking player.
Chelsea could have a real crack at the title, I think.

[tim_noone]

File alongside Vydra.

I'd say so.

[tim_noone]

First to mention it but someone was going to criticise Dyche because Bamford scored a goal tonight.

And a few more prior to tonight also...its only right to mention it.

[CHEWBACCA]

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[bobinho]

There isn’t a striker or forward player in the first team squad at Burnley that I would swap for Bamford. Not one. Not even with money thrown in.

[CHEWBACCA]

There isn’t a striker or forward player in the first team squad at Burnley that I would swap for Bamford. Not one. Not even with money thrown in.

Are you sure?

[Jakubclaret]

There isn’t a striker or forward player in the first team squad at Burnley that I would swap for Bamford. Not one. Not even with money thrown in.

Not even on current form? He’s scored more goals than our entire team.

[Hibsclaret]

There isn’t a striker or forward player in the first team squad at Burnley that I would swap for Bamford. Not one. Not even with money thrown in.

There’s not a squad member I would swap for Bamford tbh. You have to have the right attitude to play for us....when he was here he didn’t have that and most people don’t just grow a different attitude overnight tbh

[CHEWBACCA]

How many goals have our entire strikers scored this season?
How many goals has Bamford scored?

[Spijed]

Not even on current form? He’s scored more goals than our entire team.

A 1-0 win is worth exactly the same number of points to a team as is a 5-0 win.

[Hibsclaret]

It’s not just about how many goals he scores in a team that attacks at will and leaves their defence vulnerable.

I’ll make a prediction that we will finish above Leeds this season and I certainly don’t buy that they are safe yet. It took a season for teams to find out Sheff U and it is starting to look more like Leeds will be found out sooner than that

[Jakubclaret]

There’s not a squad member I would swap for Bamford tbh. You have to have the right attitude to play for us....when he was here he didn’t have that and most people don’t just grow a different attitude overnight tbh

It’s not exactly overnight since he was last here, he’s a different player now a better player he’s matured, when players leave Burnley they all don’t remain the same players.

[bobinho]

Yes I’m sure.

I don’t know how many he’s scored, and I’m still sure.

I don’t know how many our strikers have collectively scored, and I’m still sure.

I know he’s scored a few, and I’m still sure.

He had a chance here and didn’t/couldn’t take it. I’m sure of that.

Bamford does not have what it takes to be a Burnley player.... its far more than scoring a few goals for once in his entire career.

Should I be surprised that after all this time under our manager, the players repeatedly demonstrating what this “group” is all about you still don’t get it?

[Devils_Advocate]

No need to worry Bob cos not a chance in hell Bamford would want to come to Burnley when he's playing and scoring for a bigger and better club over the other side of the penines

[bobinho]

Not even on current form? He’s scored more goals than our entire team.

Just checked. He has.

He has also scored more than Danny ings. Who would you rather came back?

He has also scored more than Tito Werner, is Bamford better than him?

Fernandez? Mahrez? Mane?

He’s doing well, but form is temporary... class is permanent, and Bamford showed whilst here he has none.

[Jakubclaret]

Just checked. He has.

He has also scored more than Danny ings. Who would you rather came back?

He has also scored more than Tito Werner, is Bamford better than him?

Fernandez? Mahrez? Mane?

He’s doing well, but form is temporary... class is permanent, and Bamford showed whilst here he has none.

3/4 years ago I think when he was last here, I don’t know if you watch football in particular Leeds united but if you do you can see he’s come on leaps & bounds since, it’s a different beast, most would have him back in a heartbeat while he’s banging them in for fun.

[Hibsclaret]

3/4 years ago I think when he was last here, I don’t know if you watch football in particular Leeds united but if you do you can see he’s come on leaps & bounds since, it’s a different beast, most would have him back in a heartbeat while he’s banging them in for fun.

I love it when people apply most to their argument. There is absolutely no evidence that most people would have him back and perhaps the most important thing is that it would likely be at the expense of Dyche not being here...

I wonder whether most people would want him back at the expense of us having the best manager most of us have seen in our lives

[ClaretSteve]

Oh dear

[jrgbfc]

Just checked. He has.

He has also scored more than Danny ings. Who would you rather came back?

He has also scored more than Tito Werner, is Bamford better than him?

Fernandez? Mahrez? Mane?

He’s doing well, but form is temporary... class is permanent, and Bamford showed whilst here he has none.

Yeah, that whole 5 minutes of game time he was given really proved that he's useless.

[chekhov]

Why are people so attached to their opinions?
It really isn’t that important.

[Jakubclaret]

I love it when people apply most to their argument. There is absolutely no evidence that most people would have him back and perhaps the most important thing is that it would likely be at the expense of Dyche not being here...

I wonder whether most people would want him back at the expense of us having the best manager most of us have seen in our lives

No evidence I suggest you look at the league table & pay particular attention to goals scored, back then him & dyche did have differences but there’s nothing to suggest that NOW in 2020 that him & dyche couldn’t get on ok, it’s all b*llocks anyway it’ll never be put to the test, I think 2 grown men 4 years later could bury the hatchet you seem to disagree otherwise, I’m not spending all evening arguing the toss about something none of us can be 100% sure about, good evening.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I love it when people apply most to their argument. There is absolutely no evidence that most people would have him back and perhaps the most important thing is that it would likely be at the expense of Dyche not being here...

I wonder whether most people would want him back at the expense of us having the best manager most of us have seen in our lives

If he's reached the point where he's a regular goal scorer and has matured then yeah I'd have him back.

I'd also assume Dyche would be grown up enough to have him back too.

The thing we are overlooking is whether or not Bamford would come back here and I suspect he wouldn't, which I'd understand.

[Hibsclaret]

Good night sleep tight...you can always cry in your car if you like

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Good night sleep tight...you can always cry in your car if you like

Didn't you used to do the same over who was playing left back?

[SammyBoy]

Brighton used to, and possibly still have the Ashley Barnes version of this thread on their messageboard. Difference being Barnes was actually half decent for them over a number of years.

[evensteadiereddie]

We had a system that did not suit Bamford, Leeds are a more fluid, attacking outfit and he is a very dangerous part of that side. It isn't that he was "poor" then or "a class act" now, he's in a system that suits his style perfectly .

[Quickenthetempo]

Leeds had 20 shots on goal tonight in the first half alone. That takes some doing
A centre forward wouldn't leave such an attacking side to play for one like ours. Not by choice anyway.

[claretonthecoast1882]

In his loan spell with us he made 6 appearances 1 goal then went to Boro and made 8 appearances

The season before he had 2 loan spells 6 appearances for Palace & 7 for Norwich 0 goals

After those seasons in the Prem he managed 11 goals in a season for Boro, then 9 for Leeds in another full season. Then in an all out attacking promotion side under Bielsa he managed 16 goals in 45 games.

Yet it is us who should have given him more game time when we had Gray, Vokes & Barnes ahead of him when the truth is we saw exactly the same in him as other clubs before and after us.

[Chobulous]

We had a system that did not suit Bamford, Leeds are a more fluid, attacking outfit and he is a very dangerous part of that side. It isn't that he was "poor" then or "a class act" now, he's in a system that suits his style perfectly .

I completely agree with Eddie here, he is exactly right.The Leeds style of play suits Bamford and he is capitalising on that. Good luck to him, and what’s more he would probably fit in to most teams in the PL. That’s one of the reasons that we struggle in the transfer market, our style of play does not suit the top players so we have to look that bit harder to find suitable talent.

[Jakubclaret]

We had a system that did not suit Bamford, Leeds are a more fluid, attacking outfit and he is a very dangerous part of that side. It isn't that he was "poor" then or "a class act" now, he's in a system that suits his style perfectly .

I don’t buy that, good players should be able to adapt given time, you mould them into the system you want them to play it just takes time & patience on the training ground.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

There’s not a squad member I would swap for Bamford tbh. You have to have the right attitude to play for us....when he was here he didn’t have that and most people don’t just grow a different attitude overnight tbh

Disagree with that because you’re basing it on performances 4 years ago when he was a lot younger. Physically and mentally.

Looks like a real goal scorer and a team player now he’s matured and filled out.

You can’t be all “this is what he was like in 2016 so I don’t fancy him “ ..... that’s ridiculous

[TVC15]

It’s amazing when you mention his statistics that you can try and bend them to your viewpoint !!

Facts are that since he has been at Leeds that in the league he is not far off 1 in 2 ratio which is very good. His record in the championship and premier league in the 3 or 4 seasons before Leeds is very close to 1 in 4.

Clearly the way Leeds play suits his style and brings out the best him in. They are a very attacking side, great down the flanks and excellent on the counter. Bamford is decent in the air and also as he showed in the Villa game pretty decent on the floor too.

Burnley play nothing like Leeds - that’s not even up for debate. We make nowhere near as many chances. Bamford is not a top striker in terms of the chances he needs to score goals - just like none of our strikers are either. If any of them were they would not have cost what they did or be playing at Burnley or Leeds.

Bamford is having a good season - but talk to any Leeds fans and they did not expect him to do this well in the Premier League. Not sure the manager did either when he was paying £25m for Rodrigo who as a result of Bamford’s great form has spent a lot more time on the bench than would have been expected for their record signing.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

. Not sure the manager did either when he was paying £25m for Rodrigo who as a result of Bamford’s great form has spent a lot more time on the bench than would have been expected for their record signing.

Ahhh hindsight eh? With that 25m they could have saved they could have bought Charlie Taylor back

[TVC15]

. Not sure the manager did either when he was paying £25m for Rodrigo who as a result of Bamford’s great form has spent a lot more time on the bench than would have been expected for their record signing.

Ahhh hindsight eh? With that 25m they could have saved they could have bought Charlie Taylor back

Aye indeed !
Rodrigo never been a prolific goalscorer at his previous clubs but it may just be taking time for him to settle in over here. Scored a great goal last night and think he offers something different to Leeds so it may have been the form of others and not just Bamford keeping him out as well as getting used to the league etc.

[CHEWBACCA]

Are you ready guys ?

[evensteadiereddie]

Hope he gets a couple.

[Shipclaret]

Oops 2-0 after 3 mins

[CHEWBACCA]

This has 4-4 written all over it .

[Top Claret]

This has 6-2 to United written all over it and that ain't Leeds

[Rileybobs]

This has 6-2 to United written all over it and that ain't Leeds

[FactualFrank]

Bumped for Bill.

[boatshed bill]

Well done, Frank, i couldn't have done that if I'd wanted to.
The comparison I am making is that I don't think he's any better than what we have, possibly more stylish and mobile, but that's about it.

[CHEWBACCA]

Interesting read,especially about what Sean said -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... bILHRYG8p4

[CHEWBACCA]

Some regarded him with curiosity. Others with hostility. He had a short and unhappy spell with Burnley in 2016. The problems there began, unbeknown to Bamford, when he took his parents with him to Turf Moor so they could see him signing for the club on a year’s loan. Sean Dyche, the Burnley manager, did not consider that a good omen.

Bamford admits his background became an issue while on loan at Sean Dyche's Burnley

‘It wasn’t an issue at Burnley until I started asking why I wasn’t playing,’ Bamford says, ‘and then the manager started citing other reasons: “born with a silver spoon in your mouth”, “listening to too many people influencing you outside of football”.

‘When I asked for an example, the answer was “who did you arrive with when you signed on your first day?” I said “my mum and dad” and he said “exactly”. Then I started getting defensive. I didn’t think that was right.’

[beddie]

Obviously without SD confirming what Bamford has said we don't know if it's true, if it is I'd be dissapointed in SD making those comments. I find it strange that SD would use comments like that rather than, " I don't see the desire or passion in training, without that you won't get picked".

[PeterWilton]

I've no reason to doubt it unless SD denies it.

[Hibsclaret]

Obviously without SD confirming what Bamford has said we don't know if it's true, if it is I'd be dissapointed in SD making those comments. I find it strange that SD would use comments like that rather than, " I don't see the desire or passion in training, without that you won't get picked".

True or not true, the story running at the time was something along the lines of the young Bamford’s expectations that the club would pay all his bills on top of his absolute extortionate wage for a lad of his age. When you add that sort of stuff to turning up to your new job with your parents I expect there were other similar things that may have lead Dyche to believe this young lad did not have any balls and was soft (or not the sort of player that fits into our ethos).

He’s doing great now but then he may have matured now he is 27. You can only work with what you have at the time and I suspect there was more than just bringing his parents to the signing session. It’s a bit different for someone 16 or so but he was 22, I think when he came to us. Who brings their parents to anything like that when they are 22?