England vs India - 4th Test

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:29 am

Local cricketer wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:40 am
India’s to lose now. Flat pitch probably rack up 400 and skittle England again

It can go either way as Test cricket should be.

Rohit Sharma is currently the best opening batsman in the world.
But the England bowlers were desperately unlucky last night and will look to put it right this morning.

The last time India had a little comeback in the evening session, England rolled 8 wickets out in an hour and half at Headlingly when they came back fresh.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:03 pm

India have battled hard, but they've carried their fair share of fortune, and both openers could have easily been back in the pavilion, so England and Woakes in particular just need to keep plugging away, 1 could easily bring 2 or 3, as we've already seen on this pitch, the worry for England is batting is looking a lot easier than it did earlier in the game.

6 dropped catches by England in this match, and in a tight contest that could be vital in the final outcome.

79-0 and only 22 adrift now.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:28 pm

Jimmy gets the break through.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:43 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:28 pm
Jimmy gets the break through.

Bet that's been said a few times throughout his career, and in controversial fashion it has to be said.

England earned that wicket by giving nothing away, and that seems to be the best approach on this track, keep it tight and give the batsman nothing to score off, and you'll reap your rewards.

Now if England could nip another one out before lunch, they'll enjoy their meal much more.

ClaretMat · Post by **ClaretMat** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:54 pm

Not sure why it was controversial.
No space between bat and ball, and a pretty clear noise which came long after he had caught his pad.
It would certainly have been controversial had it not been given out.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:04 pm

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:54 pm
Not sure why it was controversial.
No space between bat and ball, and a pretty clear noise which came long after he had caught his pad.
It would certainly have been controversial had it not been given out.

Rahul wasn't happy with the decision, but then batsman rarely are if given out, he was adamant he hadn't hit it, but the DRS said different so he has to go.

108-1 at lunch, and India will be happy enough with their morning's work, a lead of 9 with plenty of power to add.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:13 pm

I think India will come to regret not picking Ashwin, with England potentially having to chase a tricky 4th innings total.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:17 pm

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:54 pm
Not sure why it was controversial.
No space between bat and ball, and a pretty clear noise which came long after he had caught his pad.
It would certainly have been controversial had it not been given out.

The only reason it was controversial, is because the English hating Shane Warne was on commentary. He can't stand England doing well.

I give it out first time round. It was obvious.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:28 pm

That drop earlier is proving extremely costly for England, 100 for Rohit, and he brought his century up with a 6 just to rub salt in England's wounds.

195-1. a lead of 96, and right now England look bereft of ideas and energy.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:49 pm

199-1 at tea, so India lead by exactly 100, and while this match isn't yet out of England's grasp, they need to win this final session, otherwise it might well be.

11 overs until the new ball, so that's still an hour or so away.

The only encouraging sign for any England fans, is this is a pitch where you can score runs, but whether I'd be backing England to knock off anything over 250 I have my doubts.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:38 pm

India carrying on their merry way post tea, I hoped nelson would strike again, but sadly for England it didn't.

224-1, and the new ball due in a couple of overs, England need to hope that proves effective, otherwise they'll be facing a large target 4th innings.

Pujara now passes 50.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:09 pm

Hello 2 wickets for Robinson with the new cherry, both set batsman gone, and suddenly it's game on again.

India lead by 146, 7 wickets in hand.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:08 pm

That's it for the day, they went off early due to bad light, 270-3 and India will be more than happy with their position, a lead of 171, and a dominant batting display by them today.

England need to hope the bowlers can reproduce a similar session to Headingley, but as it stands I'd make India favs to close out the win from here.

And England may well look back on the 2nd afternoon, and reflect how they gifted wickets when in a good position of their own.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:05 pm

Sadly it appears I was right

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:28 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:08 pm
That's it for the day, they went off early due to bad light, 270-3 and India will be more than happy with their position, a lead of 171, and a dominant batting display by them today.

England need to hope the bowlers can reproduce a similar session to Headingley, but as it stands I'd make India favs to close out the win from here.

And England may well look back on the 2nd afternoon, and reflect how they gifted wickets when in a good position of their own.

India probably have enough now. England's brittle batting line up never more exposed when they have a total to reach. The lower the total, the greater degree of panic sets in.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:02 pm

India’s day by a mile, toothless bowling with no variety, batting also fails to go on and nail down a big score. India has 2 excellent opening batsmen, essential in Test cricket. The Ashes could be painful!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:12 pm

CleggHall wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:02 pm
India’s day by a mile, toothless bowling with no variety, batting also fails to go on and nail down a big score. India has 2 excellent opening batsmen, essential in Test cricket. The Ashes could be painful!

Spot on, and India have put England's display with the bat into context today, England's problem is they seem to think 30's and 40's will win you test matches, reality check it won't, and if you get in you have to make it count, just look at Root as a prime example.

India's openers have played brilliantly, and they demonstrated precisely how you deal with a pressure situation, mind you England did give them several lives between the pair of them.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:15 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:28 pm
India probably have enough now. England's brittle batting line up never more exposed when they have a total to reach. The lower the total, the greater degree of panic sets in.

Even if India only add another 100 or so, does anyone really think England will chase down 270-290 in the 4th innings, history and England's fragile confidence suggests the answer is no.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:37 pm

England have picked 3 wickets for 40 runs this morning to put the test on a knife edge.

Mo Ali getting Kohli is massive.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:44 pm

Decent morning for England, India posted 59-3 in that session, however they already have a lead of 230, so if England are going to keep themselves in this match, they'll need to wrap this innings up swiftly this afternoon.

Woakes has been fantastic again, 6 wickets in the match now, and a 50.

Kohli's had a strange series, he's got several starts, but unfortunately for India he's not been able to go on and post a big score.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:27 pm

Pant & Thakur rapidly taking this game away from England since lunch, 372-6, partnership already worth 60, and runs are coming freely, lead now 273.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:49 pm

Survival mode now.
Try and keep them in for as long as possible.

We wouldn’t go for them if they declared now.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:51 pm

Collingwood needs to keep these clowns Fielding practice until the next test.

Absolute shocking.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:00 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:51 pm
Collingwood needs to keep these clowns Fielding practice until the next test.

Absolute shocking.

That was keystone cops fielding by Moeen, a club cricketer would have been abashed at that let alone an experienced test match player.

And Pant would have been out there if England hadn't wasted their reviews, I wouldn't want to be within earshot of Jimmy for a good few minutes.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:04 pm

2nd 50 of the match for Thakur. 400 up for India, and lead now over 300.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:04 pm

With the way this series has ebbed and flowed I can only see a spectacular England collapse after this big Indian innings.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:16 pm

Root strikes, but is it too late, Thakur gone for 60, 412-7, lead of 313.

Stand of exactly 100 for the 7th wicket, and that's probably taken the match away from England.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:18 pm

Pant gone. Is this chaseable in 4 sessions?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:18 pm
Pant gone. Is this chaseable in 4 sessions?

I’m not sure that’s the right question.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:18 pm
Pant gone. Is this chaseable in 4 sessions?

Yes, but not with the way this England line-up is batting. 300 to win rarely happens in the 4th innings, and in England it's even rarer.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:26 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:24 pm
Yes, but not with the way this England line-up is batting. 300 to win rarely happens in the 4th innings, and in England it's even rarer.

Yes, it’s unlikely we’ll bat through the 4 sessions. My question was more if we did bat until the close of play tomorrow would we chase this down. Obviously a premature question given that we still need a couple of wickets.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:28 pm

Just checked and the draw and an England win are pretty much the same odds.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:51 pm

368 to win for England, or more likely bat out 4 sessions for the draw. That 154 India added for their last 4 wickets could be the difference, if England had only been chasing 268 as looked possible at one stage at would be a different mindset, but if they do pull this chase of, it'll be England's highest 4th innings total to win, eclipsing the 359 they achieved a couple of years ago at Headingley, when Ben Stokes smacked the Aussies out of the park, no Ben Stokes to call on this time, so someone else will have to step up to the mark.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:12 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:51 pm
368 to win for England, or more likely bat out 4 sessions for the draw. That 154 India added for their last 4 wickets could be the difference, if England had only been chasing 268 as looked possible at one stage at would be a different mindset, but if they do pull this chase of, it'll be England's highest 4th innings total to win, eclipsing the 359 they achieved a couple of years ago at Headingley, when Ben Stokes smacked the Aussies out of the park, no Ben Stokes to call on this time, so someone else will have to step up to the mark.

Seems unlikely that they’ll chase that down, although in the unlikely event they have a lot of wickets in hand by lunch time tomorrow they may just up the rate and give it a go. These record run chases seem to have become pretty common in recent years.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:18 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:12 pm
Seems unlikely that they’ll chase that down, although in the unlikely event they have a lot of wickets in hand by lunch time tomorrow they may just up the rate and give it a go. These record run chases seem to have become pretty common in recent years.

I doubt England will chase it down either, but this is a decent track as India's 2nd innings showed, so batting out for a draw shouldn't be beyond England if they apply themselves to the task.

I wonder if Kohli is now regretting not picking Ashwin, there's signs of spin, and he's the master at exploiting a spinning pitch.

Solid enough first 10 overs by the openers, 20-0 but it's the 0 that's the important factor right now.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:18 pm

England to lose 3 wickets by close of play and India to wrap it up by mid afternoon tomorrow......

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:11 pm

50 opening partnership, Burns & Hameed ticking along nicely.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:49 pm

If we can see this through to close without a wicket lost and 90 or so on the board it sets up a potentially incredible day tomorrow.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:02 pm

Excellent from the openers in the

Big first hour tomorrow now.

We couldnt, could we?

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:30 pm

Well done England , was expecting to lose wickets this evening

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:33 pm

The openers have given England a chance at least, and that's all we could ask of them, if we'd lost 2/3 wickets in the evening session, this game would be slipping out of reach, but to get to the close intact will have lifted the entire England dressing room, still a tough ask to score nearly 300 on day 5, but it's a good pitch, and if a couple of guys can bat long and go big who knows.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:50 am

We live in hope, could be a good day’s cricket Monday.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:01 am

I bought tickets for days 1 and 5 of last year's test at the Oval which carried forward to this year v India.
I went on Day 1 and it faded from my mind that I had day 5 tickets, only just remembered this morning, quick bit of re-planning and just about to set off. Lovely day down here and the pitch looks to be holding up well; we should be able to make a fist of it. Fingers well crossed.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:37 am

An interesting day of cricket lies ahead.

Root, rightly got a lot of stick for not even attempting to chase down 273 in a day against New Zealand.

Lets see if that alters his risk factor.

A good first session only losing one wicket could set the day up nicely.

Longsidelenny1882 · Post by **Longsidelenny1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:46 am

If you carnt win it don’t loose it upthecolne

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:01 am

All about the first session… really looking forward to this, I hope we at least put up a fight.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:41 am

100/1 Burns goes for 50

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:43 am

100-0, 50 for Burns, who's scoring well this morning, Hameed less so, but he's giving good support to his partner.

Burns now gone, pity he was looking good there.

268 more to win, if England keep wickets in hand after tea this is definitely on, just keep ticking the runs off, and Kohli and India will become more anxious as the day progresses.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:48 am

50 for Hameed, now he needs to go big, if he can get 100-150, then it'll allow the quicker scorers to bat around him.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:01 pm

Starting to turn and bounce a bit sharper now.

England aren't winning this.