Newcastle future plan

[superdimitri]

They probably don't need 5 or 6. Look what a difference it made to us by dropping Hart. 2 changes then was enough.
I'd have said 3 could turn any of the bottom 6 into a decent side if they were the right 3.

With Wilson out, they probably need 4. The real shocker is that howe has turned joelinton into a decent player almost overnight by finding a position that he is good in. Tough to do that with the back 4, though. They are generally suffering from old age.

A bit different though isn't it when you're dropping someone and replacing them with someone already gelled in with the squad.

They'd be wise to just make one or two signings but I'm sure they'll go all out and risk it.

As fans of a club generally short of signings I think we look at being able to make some as only a positive thing. Truth is it's only beneficial if you can integrate the players in the long term and it's quite rare for multiple players to settle and have an immediate impact like with Cornet. In fact. If you change things up too much then you'll lose too much harmony and the tactical side of you game has to be studied by new players.

[Spijed]

They’ve played City Liverpool Man United and Leicester away in those 8. Reckon we wouldn’t be too far away from that 18.

They've conceded 12 against those 4 sides.

We've played 3 and conceded 6.

[RVclaret]

They've conceded 12 against those 4 sides.

We've played 3 and conceded 6.

Well let’s see how we get on against United then as we might not be far off.

[Winstonswhite]

Well let’s see how we get on against United then as we might not be far off.

You’re a barrel of laughs aren’t you? Go and have a mince pie and cheer up.

[RVclaret]

You’re a barrel of laughs aren’t you? Go and have a mince pie and cheer up.

Eh? I just find it funny how many sad people on here can’t wait to see Howe fail.

[bobinho]

And why on earth when he’s managing a team that is one of our relegation rivals would anyone want to see him succeed?

[taio]

Eh? I just find it funny how many sad people on here can’t wait to see Howe fail.

Because they are direct relegation rivals

[warksclaret]

If Newcastle play their remaining games like the did last night, they will get themselves out of the bottom three. The big question though is IF

I thought they played well, and I was envisaging a 3-0 win for Man Utd before game. Lots of lessons for SD and the coaches last night on how to approach Man Utd this week. They dislike being pressed

[Newcastleclaret93]

If Newcastle play their remaining games like the did last night, they will get themselves out of the bottom three. The big question though is IF

I thought they played well, and I was envisaging a 3-0 win for Man Utd before game. Lots of lessons for SD and the coaches last night on how to approach Man Utd this week. They dislike being pressed

I agree, the one thing that stood out for me, was that when Varane was pressed he gave the ball away in dangerous areas. We have to target that

[RVclaret]

Because they are direct relegation rivals

Nah people are still bizarrely bitter about how he left us

[Burnley Ace]

Nah people are still bizarrely bitter about how he left us

Why did he leave us?

[Foshiznik]

He’s overrated and a media darling but no hate from me due to being at Burnley.

[Woodleyclaret]

Let's be honest Manu where shite last night only the keeper,Cavani and McTominey looked up for the game, the rest weren't interested .Newcastle without Wilson ,poor as he is and Saint- Maximum are in deep sxxx.

[taio]

Nah people are still bizarrely bitter about how he left us

Some are for sure but some want him and Newcastle to fail because of the situation we are in.

[NewClaret]

If Newcastle play their remaining games like the did last night, they will get themselves out of the bottom three. The big question though is IF

Not sure they’ll raise their game like that every week, particularly away from home, but a lot will depend how serious the injuries are to ASM/Wilson; I can’t see where the goals are coming from without them for any extended period.

[NewClaret]

I have nothing against Howe personally whatsoever but want him to fail spectacularly because of our respective league positions.

[what_no_pies]

Manchester is a miles larger city than Newcastle with much more diversity of culture and things to do such as shopping, restaurants, bars, clubs, attractions, music & theatre venues etc. Plus it has a very large international airport connecting it to Europe and the world.

Manchester since the late 80's has always been seen as an exciting world city and is a much more attractive place to live in general than Newcastle is.

I've lived in both cities for around a decade. Been in the suburbs and in both city centres.

Newcastle is every bit as culturally diverse. Granted there's a smaller scene for everything in Newcastle but everyone is still catered for.

That said i've never seen any first hand evidence of the violent crime which was becoming hard to escape in Manchester.

[Kazoo]

A lot of arrogance and bitterness on here about Newcastle. We've played plenty of '****' teams ourselves and come away with nothing.

Bring on this point on Thursday in that case, and a similar riproaring backing to our scintillating football!

[NewClaret]

Incidentally, Cornet posted a review of a London-based property company on his Insta today, thanking them for helping him find his new home. Not sure if they do that in the NW or he’s bought a London pad. With a 2hr train journey from Manchester to London, it’s not unthinkable that players could live there in their free time.

[NewClaret]

Bring on this point on Thursday in that case, and a similar riproaring backing to our scintillating football!

United will be a different beast on Thursday in front of the OT crowd after that performance. Will no doubt play like Champions

[Kazoo]

United will be a different beast on Thursday in front of the OT crowd after that performance. Will no doubt play like Champions

No no no, we'll be fine. Newcastle were terrible last night and not up for it at all, lucky to get a point, and Eddie Howe is overrated, and that's the sole focus for us on Thursday at OT.

[basil6345789]

Magpies The 2nd fly south

[jrgbfc]

Would relegation be that bad for Newcastle? With their resources there's no financial risk and no way they wouldn't come straight back up. Chance to clear out the deadwood as well.

[gandhisflipflop]

A lot of arrogance and bitterness on here about Newcastle. We've played plenty of '****' teams ourselves and come away with nothing.

Bring on this point on Thursday in that case, and a similar riproaring backing to our scintillating football!

I wouldn’t call it arrogance, I have just got used to the fact that most football fans, and a lot on here haven’t got a clue

[jdrobbo]

Eh? I just find it funny how many sad people on here can’t wait to see Howe fail.

Hi RV,

I hope you’re well. May I respectfully ask you if you are fully up-to-speed with how Eddie Howe systematically dismantled our youth setup, during his tenure? This includes his role in the treatment of his staff and also alienating of the scouts that worked for the club. I don’t mind saying that this is the reason why I’m a bit bitter. I couldn’t care less who the Newcastle manager is. Right now, despite loving the city, I want the club to struggle in the league. As for Howe, I do not like the way he worked in the background stour football club. I can only assume you know the details. Best wishes. John

[claret2018]

I just think it’s funny that the richest club in world footballs choice of manager was the guy who got sacked at Bournemouth for relegating them.

[ksrclaret]

Hi RV,

I hope you’re well. May I respectfully ask you if you are fully up-to-speed with how Eddie Howe systematically dismantled our youth setup, during his tenure? This includes his role in the treatment of his staff and also alienating of the scouts that worked for the club. I don’t mind saying that this is the reason why I’m a bit bitter. I couldn’t care less who the Newcastle manager is. Right now, despite loving the city, I want the club to struggle in the league. As for Howe, I do not like the way he worked in the background stour football club. I can only assume you know the details. Best wishes. John

Hi JD,

I think what you need to remember here is that not everyone is in such a privileged position as yourself to be privy to the inner workings and details of BFC, but that the opinions they form from the information they do have are still valid ones. I, for example, met Howe handful of times and I found him very friendly and courteous, so I judge him on that as well as what I saw on the pitch from him. Is that allowed?

Can you imagine if you could only comment on something regarding BFC providing you had intricate knowledge of all the processes involved? Some may undoubtedly prefer that model, but this message board would be very quiet.

Best wishes etc.

[beddie]

jdrobbo. Spot on. I scouted for the club for a number of years, gave up a lot of weekends and evenings, used a lot of petrol at m own expense. Made some really good friends with other scouts and Managers of local clubs.Worked under Jeff Taylor, lovely man god rest his soul. Not long into Howe’s tenure did he disband the scouting network at a stroke. All the good work done over a number of years by so many loyal people, it was heartbreaking. By the time he left the damage was done. I’ll say no more on Howe.

[Kazoo]

I just think it’s funny that the richest club in world footballs choice of manager was the guy who got sacked at Bournemouth for relegating them.

Howe left Bournemouth by mutual consent. He'd been there for eight years and did a superb job with them. Keeping them in the Premier League for four seasons was some feat.

Newcastle have been on the end of some tubbings since Howe took over but they've had a tough run of fixtures. January will tell us a lot about whether or not they'll claw their way out of it. They have quite a lot of fixtures that they need to get a few wins from.

[ksrclaret]

jdrobbo. Spot on. I scouted for the club for a number of years, gave up a lot of weekends and evenings, used a lot of petrol at m own expense. Made some really good friends with other scouts and Managers of local clubs.Worked under Jeff Taylor, lovely man god rest his soul. Not long into Howe’s tenure did he disband the scouting network at a stroke. All the good work done over a number of years by so many loyal people, it was heartbreaking. By the time he left the damage was done. I’ll say no more on Howe.

I don't mean to come across as a great defender of Howe, but could it not be that Howe was given a brief by those above him to modernise and overhaul the club's structures in the way he saw fit? He was clearly given that brief with regards to the first team squad where he set about reducing the age and wage bill, but surely those above Howe at the time were well aware of what was going on and must have had to sanction the plans. If not, why didn't they put a stop to what was going on?

I see a lot of "bitterness" towards him on the basis of how he treated the staff which I can't comment on but have no reason to doubt was very poor, but he was a very, very young and inexperienced guy at the time who was no doubt carrying out instructions from his bosses but ultimately went about it in the wrong way at the time.

[boatshed bill]

Hi RV,

I hope you’re well. May I respectfully ask you if you are fully up-to-speed with how Eddie Howe systematically dismantled our youth setup, during his tenure? This includes his role in the treatment of his staff and also alienating of the scouts that worked for the club. I don’t mind saying that this is the reason why I’m a bit bitter. I couldn’t care less who the Newcastle manager is. Right now, despite loving the city, I want the club to struggle in the league. As for Howe, I do not like the way he worked in the background stour football club. I can only assume you know the details. Best wishes. John

That's a bit one-sided.
EH also bought the nucleus of the team that got promoted.
As for the youth team, wasn't that more to do with Blake?

[jdrobbo]

Hi JD,

I think what you need to remember here is that not everyone is in such a privileged position as yourself to be privy to the inner workings and details of BFC, but that the opinions they form from the information they do have are still valid ones. I, for example, met Howe handful of times and I found him very friendly and courteous, so I judge him on that as well as what I saw on the pitch from him. Is that allowed?

Can you imagine if you could only comment on something regarding BFC providing you had intricate knowledge of all the processes involved? Some may undoubtedly prefer that model, but this message board would be very quiet.

Best wishes etc.

I’m not privy to anything…I’ve just read the comments of some of our former scouts ON THIS MESSAGEBOARD and done my own research. It really wasn’t difficult to find stuff out about the likes of Jason Blake. No idea why you think I’d be privy to it. This board has been littered with info in the last decade.

[jdrobbo]

That's a bit one-sided.
EH also bought the nucleus of the team that got promoted.
As for the youth team, wasn't that more to do with Blake?

I don’t doubt the quality of some of the players Howe brought in. He also brought in a heck of a lot of dross. BUT I’ve openly praised Howe for his signings. No issue there. My issue is with how he operates in certain departments. Simple as that.

[ksrclaret]

I’m not privy to anything…I’ve just read the comments of some of our former scouts ON THIS MESSAGEBOARD and done my own research. It really wasn’t difficult to find stuff out about the likes of Jason Blake. No idea why you think I’d be privy to it. This board has been littered with info in the last decade.

Apologies, I thought you were one of those who had done scouting at the time. Perhaps I’ve mixed you up with another poster. Sorry.

[ecc]

Howe and his cronies wrecked our youth system resulting in us losing most of our scouts. That's why there is enmity towards him.

And should anybody get the chance, ask Wade Elliott how he was treated by Howe, Tindall and co.

[jdrobbo]

Hi JD,

I think what you need to remember here is that not everyone is in such a privileged position as yourself to be privy to the inner workings and details of BFC, but that the opinions they form from the information they do have are still valid ones. I, for example, met Howe handful of times and I found him very friendly and courteous, so I judge him on that as well as what I saw on the pitch from him. Is that allowed?

Can you imagine if you could only comment on something regarding BFC providing you had intricate knowledge of all the processes involved? Some may undoubtedly prefer that model, but this message board would be very quiet.

Best wishes etc.

Judging by the tone you’re taking with me, I’m sending that you feel as though my post was patronising. It wasn’t and if it came across as such, I’m sorry about that. It was a genuine question and my best wishes were well-intended!

[jdrobbo]

Apologies, I thought you were one of those who had done scouting at the time. Perhaps I’ve mixed you up with another poster. Sorry.

No need to apologise.

[ksrclaret]

Judging by the tone you’re taking with me, I’m sending that you feel as though my post was patronising. It wasn’t and if it came across as such, I’m sorry about that. It was a genuine question and my best wishes were well-intended!

Yes, with the way I read it, I did think it was a little patronising, but I’d clearly got the wrong end of the stick. Thanks for clearing it up anyway.

[jdrobbo]

Yes, with the way I read it, I did think it was a little patronising, but I’d clearly got the wrong end of the stick. Thanks for clearing it up anyway.

Not a problem.

[RVclaret]

In other Newcastle news it’s being reported that Callum Wilson has torn his calf muscle and faces months out. Big loss for them especially with the more winnable games coming up.

[elwaclaret]

Apologies, I thought you were one of those who had done scouting at the time. Perhaps I’ve mixed you up with another poster. Sorry.

Think you have, I think John would have been in only just out of Uni when Howe was in charge. I think you are probably mixing JDR with Dan who posted far more often then but is still about now. But there was a network of Clarets who undertook similar roles I think Lakes might also have done a bit from memory.