Plan B and going to the Turf

[jrgbfc]

Looks to me like it's just a box ticking exercise. After one game everyone will realise it's a waste of time.

[Longsidelenny1882]

Can you borrow somebody’s phone and then use there bar code asking for a friend utc

[mikeS]

Not had any official information directly from the club on what's required. I just found out from London Clarets. It's really not good enough of the club to expect fans to scroll through websites and surf social media to find important information like this is.
A direct email or text would have been more informative. It couldn't have been hard, the club have these details from the portal registration that started last Spring.

[Gordaleman]

I've entered 6 countries recently with paper copies, in fact they prefer paper copies at the borders.
If paper can be used to leave, and enter countries, I doubt turf moor could turn you away.

Lancs live says paper passes will not be accepted and is quite clear about it.

I had no problem filling in the form and you do not have to print off the PDF unless you want to.

Admittedly, needing a phone to gain access is not ideal, but it's the goverment that brought these measures in (To divert attention from 'Partygate'.) not BFC.

If the country had a half decent PM, then I'm sure these measures would have been a thing of the past already. As it is, we have a ditherer who hasn't a clue what he's doing and who's mates don't have to follow any rules.

[Backofthenet]

Not had any official information directly from the club on what's required. I just found out from London Clarets. It's really not good enough of the club to expect fans to scroll through websites and surf social media to find important information like this is.
A direct email or text would have been more informative. It couldn't have been hard, the club have these details from the portal registration that started last Spring.

Give them a chance, it was only announced yesterday, with the first game nearly a week away

[Backofthenet]

Lancs live says paper passes will not be accepted and is quite clear about it.

I had no problem filling in the form and you do not have to print off the PDF unless you want to.

Admittedly, needing a phone to gain access is not ideal, but it's the goverment that brought these measures in (To divert attention from 'Partygate'.) not BFC.

If the country had a half decent PM, then I'm sure these measures would have been a thing of the past already. As it is, we have a ditherer who hasn't a clue what he's doing and who's mates don't have to follow any rules.

A friendly bet that paper versions will be allowed?

[Gordaleman]

A friendly bet that paper versions will be allowed?

No bet. I'm not a betting man, but they are quite clear that they won't be accepted. Probably, because the technology will be set up to read cards and link digital passes only.

[martin_p]

Lancs live says paper passes will not be accepted and is quite clear about it.

I had no problem filling in the form and you do not have to print off the PDF unless you want to.

Admittedly, needing a phone to gain access is not ideal, but it's the goverment that brought these measures in (To divert attention from 'Partygate'.) not BFC.

If the country had a half decent PM, then I'm sure these measures would have been a thing of the past already. As it is, we have a ditherer who hasn't a clue what he's doing and who's mates don't have to follow any rules.

Lancs live likely know nothing more than what’s on the website so I wouldn’t base anything on them. The government has brought in the measures around covid passes but not about having to have a phone.

[martin_p]

No bet. I'm not a betting man, but they are quite clear that they won't be accepted. Probably, because the technology will be set up to read cards and link digital passes only.

But the paper copies contain the same QR codes you get on the phone app, so the technology will read either.

[Gordaleman]

Lancs live likely know nothing more than what’s on the website so I wouldn’t base anything on them. The government has brought in the measures around covid passes but not about having to have a phone.

Read my response to 'backofthenet'

[Gordaleman]

But the paper copies contain the same QR codes you get on the phone app, so the technology will read either.

Maybe yours does. Mine doesn't. Mind you, mine was one of the early ones, so it may have changed.

[FCBurnley]

Lancs live says paper passes will not be accepted and is quite clear about it.

I had no problem filling in the form and you do not have to print off the PDF unless you want to.

Admittedly, needing a phone to gain access is not ideal, but it's the goverment that brought these measures in (To divert attention from 'Partygate'.) not BFC.

If the country had a half decent PM, then I'm sure these measures would have been a thing of the past already. As it is, we have a ditherer who hasn't a clue what he's doing and who's mates don't have to follow any rules.

Can transfer Joe Biden to you He will be cheap as he is nearly out of contract

[martin_p]

Maybe yours does. Mine doesn't. Mind you, mine was one of the early ones, so it may have changed.

I don’t have a paper copy but someone further up the thread confirmed the paper ones have a QR code in response to my question. I’m pretty sure you’ll need a QR code whether it be on an app or on paper.

[chekhov]

****.
I forgot we have a game on Wednesday
I’ve got my u12 training 6-7

Ask your mum if you can come to the match after your training’s finished.

[ShakyLee]

I have an official printed paper NHS Covid pass. It does not have a square QR code though. It does have a barcode on it, next to which it states “Your unique reference Use this to confirm your NHS COVID pass” Any useful comments?

[Paul Waine]

Not had any official information directly from the club on what's required. I just found out from London Clarets. It's really not good enough of the club to expect fans to scroll through websites and surf social media to find important information like this is.
A direct email or text would have been more informative. It couldn't have been hard, the club have these details from the portal registration that started last Spring.

Hi mikeS, "It's really not good enough of the club to expect fans to scroll through websites and surf social media to find important information like this is."

Really? It's been on all the tv news and it's been in all the newspapers. Admittedly, it doesn't specifically mention Burnley v Watford next Wednesday night but there's enough "in the news" to make someone think "I wonder what is happening when I go on t'Turf?"

If you go on the club's website ( www.burnleyfootballclub.com/ ) the top item is:

COVID-19 UPDATE - GOVERNMENT'S PLAN B
Following Government announcement new protocols in place for supporters attending Turf Moor

I'll not copy of what it says, it's already been copied a couple of times on this thread...

Stay safe.

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[Backofthenet]

No bet. I'm not a betting man, but they are quite clear that they won't be accepted. Probably, because the technology will be set up to read cards and link digital passes only.

It's the same QR code be it on your phone, or printed off. Both can be read by the same reader, just like airports can.

[Paul Waine]

If the country had a half decent PM, then I'm sure these measures would have been a thing of the past already. As it is, we have a ditherer who hasn't a clue what he's doing and who's mates don't have to follow any rules.

Hi Gordaleman, have you seen what all the presidents/chancellors/prime ministers are doing around Europe? Seems like covid-19 is a "tough covid" to get on top of - whatever you think of the political leader in the UK or any of the other countries.

Stay safe.

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[mikeS]

I'd expect the club to have the information on its website but I'd also say it's not hard to send out an email or group text to it's thousands of customers,who like me don't spend much time looking at the club website for news on a regular basis. It's not hard. It would help the club and fans alike to get the right information it wants to give them in one email or text alert. It shouldn't take for granted that a website post is job done.

[Bosscat]

No bet. I'm not a betting man, but they are quite clear that they won't be accepted. Probably, because the technology will be set up to read cards and link digital passes only.

The paper pass that my Brother had and my wife has is one with a QR code on ... the paper ones that Lancs Live is talking about are probably the cards that were handed out when having the covid jabs ...

Lets face facts here NOT EVERYONE HAS A SMARTPHONE so to not allow the NHS pass letter would be stupid ...

[martin_p]

It's the same QR code be it on your phone, or printed off. Both can be read by the same reader, just like airports can.

From what Gordale says it does sound like the ones that are posted out may be different. You can get a pdf or email copy of the QR code version by going on to the NHS site (not needing the app) although obviously you need an NHS login to do that, then print off the email/pdf assuming to have access to a printer.

[Bosscat]

The talk about "paper not being allowed" means the cards handed out when given the covid jab

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[Backofthenet]

From what Gordale says it does sound like the ones that are posted out may be different. You can get a pdf or email copy of the QR code version by going on to the NHS site (not needing the app) although obviously you need an NHS login to do that, then print off the email/pdf assuming to have access to a printer.

I know, I've used both the letter, and the pdf from the app to travel abroad several times recently. Phones and paper copies are both read by the same machine
However I've just had new letters sent that don't include the 3rd jab, whereas the ones printed out off the app do, so I'd rely on the printed version off the app.

[Marty Dobson]

Probably with the paperwork they will have to have shown to get into the country in the first place.

Next hypothetical question

This is far from hypothetical. It is in fact very relevant, I don't have to show any documents going through the airport as I fly from
Ireland which is in the common travel area.

[dsr]

I'd expect the club to have the information on its website but I'd also say it's not hard to send out an email or group text to it's thousands of customers,who like me don't spend much time looking at the club website for news on a regular basis. It's not hard. It would help the club and fans alike to get the right information it wants to give them in one email or text alert. It shouldn't take for granted that a website post is job done.

And of course they need to send out letters to all season ticket holders who don't have email. It's certainly not reasonable to expect people who don't have internet to look these things up on the internet.

[martin_p]

The talk about "paper not being allowed" means the cards handed out when given the covid jab

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Are there any non-paper versions of the vaccination cards? It’s very poor choice of language which is causing confusion. Easy enough to say vaccination cards are not allowed but a printed or digital version of the covid pass will be accepted.

[martin_p]

And of course they need to send out letters to all season ticket holders who don't have email. It's certainly not reasonable to expect people who don't have internet to look these things up on the internet.

Why don’t they just google ‘how to get the internet’? Sorted!

[Bosscat]

Are there any non-paper versions of the vaccination cards? It’s very poor choice of language which is causing confusion. Easy enough to say vaccination cards are not allowed but a printed or digital version of the covid pass will be accepted.

But surely the cards given out have never been accepted anywhere ... but the App and covid letter (that we got months ago pre season just in case were needed, and has been discussed on here many many times) have been ... we used ours to go to St Georges Hall in Bradford last month scanned no problems ... I have the App and my wife the letter that I applied for back in July because she does "Not" use a smartphone.

[Sheedyclaret]

Better turn up about 4hrs before kick off Wednesday it could be chaos

[Backofthenet]

Better turn up about 4hrs before kick off Wednesday it could be chaos

I was stuck behind two elderly ladies recently at an airport who knew they had the pass somewhere on their phones, but struggled to remember where!! Eventually I was moved to another check in desk and sailed through with my paper copy. Meanwhile the two ladies were still stuck.

[Marty Dobson]

How are overseas supporters able to attend when they haven’t got access to the NHS app ?

From the PL Website.

Can I show evidence that I have been vaccinated abroad?
EU Digital COVID Certificates and US State certificates showing a US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved vaccination should count as sufficient COVID status certification. In other cases, we recommend that you obtain an NHS Pass after recording a negative lateral flow test result in the previous 48 hours.

I am an international visitor and cannot access the NHS app. How do I demonstrate a negative lateral flow test?
There are a number of different ways of demonstrating negative lateral flow tests. Test centres can provide documentation for those not using the NHS app.

[Spijed]

It's all well and good people getting the vaccination passport, whether in paper format or via the app on your smartphone, but their will be many who won't know about the need to register on the club website which is an entirely different matter.

If they turn up next Wednesday with a valid passport but not having registered on the club website will they be denied entry because their season ticket won't work, for example?

[martin_p]

It's all well and good people getting the vaccination passport, whether in paper format or via the app on your smartphone, but their will be many who won't know about the need to register on the club website which is an entirely different matter.

If they turn up next Wednesday with a valid passport but not having registered on the club website will they be denied entry because their season ticket won't work, for example?

Again, the club haven’t made clear what this form is to be used for. What happens if you’ve typed your clarets number in wrong? Is someone going to have to input this data into the season ticket system in the next six days?

[Garnerssoap]

You know it’s all made up don’t you you lemmings

[Spijed]

It's all well and good people getting the vaccination passport, whether in paper format or via the app on your smartphone, but their will be many who won't know about the need to register on the club website which is an entirely different matter.

If they turn up next Wednesday with a valid passport but not having registered on the club website will they be denied entry because their season ticket won't work, for example?

And it should be 'there', rather than 'their'

[Bordeauxclaret]

You know it’s all made up don’t you you lemmings

No they’ve really announced it. It’s on the website and everything.

[Rombald]

Welcome to government controlled society everybody.

No papers, no entry.

We've been fed a worldview that is upside down for some time now.

No, we do not exist to "protect the NHS"; the NHS is paid for by taxpayers to protect us. It is the other way round.

Same goes for governments. The government is not there to tell you what to do, we the citizens are here to tell the government what to do.

You only need to vote for a dictatorship once, or not at all as may be the case.

Remember this.

Can we please keep this to the issue and concerns people have getting the correct documents.
It doesn't need this tripe , especially on here.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

My understanding is that it is not the club's fault. Organisations over 4000 need to use digital app. Source is person working in local government talking about new restrictions.

[Rowls]

You know it’s all made up don’t you you lemmings

*chortle*

Do you think Germans or Russians are inherently stupid?

What about Poles - are they daft?

Or Estonians, or Yugoslavs, or Czechs or any other nationality behind the Iron Curtain?

They're human beings just like we are.

Yet they had to endure decades of dictatorship and restriction. Those nations committed atrocities, purges and mass murder.

We're lucky enough to live in a free society by happenstance and historic accident. If you think protecting that is stupid then we'll just need to disagree.

I don't think the tone can be set too high when our actual freedom is at stake.

[Boss Hogg]

No Vaccination Cards. Paper Covid Pass OK. As Martin says above Lancs Live don’t know any more than the club. They have likely mis interpreted it.

[Rowls]

Can we please keep this to the issue and concerns people have getting the correct documents.
It doesn't need this tripe , especially on here.

I think it does need this to be stated. Rather urgently.

And I've said it.

[Devils_Advocate]

You voted for this lot so dont tell all of us who've been laughing/despairing at your idiocy for the several years to remember anything. We had the intelligence to look at the record of these people and their history to know full well what you numpties were voting in.

[Rombald]

I think it does need this to be stated. Rather urgently.

And I've said it.

Well done. Keep it off this thread please

[yorkyclaret]

If one can't find one's smart phone, could one get this code thing to one's laptop by email, then take a digital photo of it with one's camera? Could one be admitted, by showing one's camera with said photo?

[Backofthenet]

You voted for this lot so dont tell all of us who've been laughing/despairing at your idiocy for the several years to remember anything. We had the intelligence to look at the record of these people and their history to know full well what you numpties were voting in.

Iam sure people come on here with posts like this just to get it locked or deleted... Congratulations hope you have a lovely evening watching for it to disappear

[Paul Waine]

*chortle*

Do you think Germans or Russians are inherently stupid?

What about Poles - are they daft?

Or Estonians, or Yugoslavs, or Czechs or any other nationality behind the Iron Curtain?

They're human beings just like we are.

Yet they had to endure decades of dictatorship and restriction. Those nations committed atrocities, purges and mass murder.

We're lucky enough to live in a free society by happenstance and historic accident. If you think protecting that is stupid then we'll just need to disagree.

I don't think the tone can be set too high when our actual freedom is at stake.

Hi Rowls, have you seen this report on BBC Sport re Joshua Kimmich: Bayern Munich player suffers lung trouble after Covid


Stay safe, my friend - and, for goodness sake, please help the rest of us to stay safe, too. Thanks.

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[warksclaret]

If one can't find one's smart phone, could one get this code thing to one's laptop by email, then take a digital photo of it with one's camera? Could one be admitted, by showing one's camera with said photo?

Played safe today and got the COVID pass on line and have a printed copy, which I am taking

[Roosterbooster]

Will they be checking the season ticket and covid pass have the same name? I give my dad mine when I can't go. And we have different names...

[HahaYeah]

Well said Rowls but the sheep just don't get it and sadly aren't going to get it any time soon.

[martin_p]

Hi Paul

Indeed we all want to stay safe. Obviously, we cannot eradicate risk in life and to try and do so would be pointless. Life is about getting a balance right.

We were all taught at schools the dangers of totalitarianism. It all seemed so blatant and obvious though - couldn't these people see they were being manipulated. The problem is, they couldn't.

Why? Because they were scared. Because the "answers" were easy.

The fear in your message to me is evident - "please help the rest of us to stay safe". Fear is the strongest driver of human behaviour possible.

But is it appropriate? Children, for example, are scared of multiple things that aren't real or pose no danger - the bogeyman, the dark, witches, goblins etc.

If somebody can manipulate your fear they can manipulate you.

If we were to end up in a society controlled by fear and coersion we'd all be the worse off for it. That's my particular fear and I'm doing my best to help us all stay safe from this.

I don't want to take a single step down that route.

Can you please keep this off this hopefully useful and information thread.