Will the D of Y ever see inside a courtroom?

[Burnley Ace]

Well, he was the one banging on about having his day in court. Never met her. Don’t remember the photograph. I was in pizza express in Woking. I can’t sweat. I demand a trial by jury. Here’s a big pile of money.

Why would he want a day in an American Court? As things stand there is no judgment against him and the allegations are just that, unproven allegations.

[Billy Balfour]

Why would he want a day in an American Court?

I don't know what you are quibbling about here. He was the one persistently banging on about having his day in an American court.

[Burnley Ace]

I don't know what you are quibbling about here. He was the one persistently banging on about having his day in an American court.

Has he? Can you put up a link to a statement from him or his lawyers saying he wants “his day in Court”? She has no independent evidence, doesn’t have the original photo, was outed in the recent criminal case as being complicit in the trafficking of girls and has backed down from her principal Ed stance of not accepting a settlement.

You on the other hand, based purely on prejudice and media speculation, think he is “guilty”, unless you have seen the evidence and Court papers?

[daveisaclaret]

Has he? Can you put up a link to a statement from him or his lawyers saying he wants “his day in Court”? She has no independent evidence, doesn’t have the original photo, was outed in the recent criminal case as being complicit in the trafficking of girls and has backed down from her principal Ed stance of not accepting a settlement.

You on the other hand, based purely on prejudice and media speculation, think he is “guilty”, unless you have seen the evidence and Court papers?

Animal abusers and nonces never need to worry about being defended while you're around, eh

[LoveCurryPies]

I don't know what you are quibbling about here. He was the one persistently banging on about having his day in an American court.

That was just a statement put out by his lawyers so they could quote that after a financial agreement.

If he wanted a day in court he should have flown to the US as soon as the story broke.

[LeadBelly]

He sold his ski chalet in Europe for £18m.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... iss-chalet

The reason the authorities don’t pursue this is because the burden of proof required in a criminal prosecution is much higher than in a civil case.

Interesting news earlier about the “photo” which the Duke’s legal team wanted to have examined to show that it had been forged. The one showing them both with the Maxwell thing. Seems no one has the original, just the digital versions. I think that is what forced a settlement as they could have lost the case entirely. No win, no fee, legal team recommended the option that sees them paid. No smoke without fire though and hopefully we’ll never hear about Randy Andy again.

Yes, I'd guess the non-availability (non existence?) of that original photo must've severely reduced the amount of the settlement.

[joey13]

Has he? Can you put up a link to a statement from him or his lawyers saying he wants “his day in Court”? She has no independent evidence, doesn’t have the original photo, was outed in the recent criminal case as being complicit in the trafficking of girls and has backed down from her principal Ed stance of not accepting a settlement.

You on the other hand, based purely on prejudice and media speculation, think he is “guilty”, unless you have seen the evidence and Court papers?

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andre ... s-12526085

[joey13]

That was just a statement put out by his lawyers so they could quote that after a financial agreement.

If he wanted a day in court he should have flown to the US as soon as the story broke.

It was in the court papers

[Burnley Ace]

Animal abusers and nonces never need to worry about being defended while you're around, eh

If only the Justice system relied on media speculation people like you would be so content! Let’s pray to God that you, and people like you, are never on a jury!

[Burnley Ace]

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andre ... s-12526085

That’s not quite the same as saying you want a “day in Court”. It’s putting the plaintiff on proof, calling her bluff for want of a better phrase, and it had worked. Imagine this sort of conversation:

Andrew - prove your case in Court!
Plaintiff- I will
Andrew- where’s your evidence?
Plaintiff- er, I lent it to the FBI and they lost it!
Andrew: ok, I will cover your legal costs if we settle this case, accepting no liability and you don’t make these false allegations again
Plaintiffs lawyers: YES!! We will accept that!!

[jedi_master]

It’s a civil trial where the only outcome is “compensation”. What does this case have to do with the “authorities”? They aren’t involved.

My point being, why is he not being questioned by authorities when he has been accused (with photographic evidence that he at least was with the girl and Maxwell in London) of something so serious and has then sought to pay her X millions to shut up, rather than clear his name in court? Why is this only resulting in a case being brought by Giuffre?

Does that scream innocence to you, or do you think it would be right that he should be taken to court to explain himself? This is a man whose alibi is that he couldn’t have been sweaty when shagging as he has a medical condition that means he doesn’t sweat (which he won’t evidence) and that on the night in question he was at a Pizza Express in Woking (who remembers that?).

I realise it’s a civil case, I’m questioning a few things:

- Why when there are very reasonable grounds for a guy being pulled through the wringer to explain himself is the only outcome a civil lawsuit? If this was you rather than PA, would the only course of action for Giuffre have been a civil case or would it have been looked at more strenuously as a criminal case?

- Why can he pay someone accusing him of the things she has X millions and this doesn’t automatically result in a criminal investigation? Is it not essentially an admission of guilt? If someone I “have never seen before” accused me of something I knew I had never done, regardless of being in the public eye I wouldn’t pay her a penny. I’d prove she’s talking **** and clear my name.

[Burnley Ace]

My point being, why is he not being questioned by authorities when he has been accused (with photographic evidence that he at least was with the girl and Maxwell in London) of something so serious and has then sought to pay her X millions to shut up, rather than clear his name in court? Why is this only resulting in a case being brought by Giuffre?

Does that scream innocence to you, or do you think it would be right that he should be taken to court to explain himself? This is a man whose alibi is that he couldn’t have been sweaty when shagging as he has a medical condition that means he doesn’t sweat (which he won’t evidence) and that on the night in question he was at a Pizza Express in Woking (who remembers that?).

I realise it’s a civil case, I’m questioning a few things:

- Why when there are very reasonable grounds for a guy being pulled through the wringer to explain himself is the only outcome a civil lawsuit? If this was you rather than PA, would the only course of action for Giuffre have been a civil case or would it have been looked at more strenuously as a criminal case?

- Why can he pay someone accusing him of the things she has X millions and this doesn’t automatically result in a criminal investigation? Is it not essentially an admission of guilt? If someone I “have never seen before” accused me of something I knew I had never done, regardless of being in the public eye I wouldn’t pay her a penny. I’d prove she’s talking **** and clear my name.

He’s not been questioned because their is insufficient evidence to support a criminal investigation and this seems to be both the case in the US and the UK.

There is no photographic evidence, it has been “lost”

How do you know he has paid X millions?

Have you seen the medical evidence about his ability to sweat? How do you know that this evidence doesn’t exist?

How do you prove a negative, especially in an American Court?

[claretblue]

He sold his ski chalet in Europe for £18m

OK…who paid for ‘his’ chalet?

[AfloatinClaret]

Animal abusers and nonces never need to worry about being defended while you're around, eh

Nor should they bother even trying to mount a defence whilst you're around; if the tabloids suggest they've done it - and if you listen closely while someone's reading them for you, you will discover that 'suggesting' and 'implying' is as strong as even they will go - then they done it.
I'm guessing that 'innocent until proven guilty' isn't a concept that you're familiar with.

[Billy Balfour]

That was just a statement put out by his lawyers so they could quote that after a financial agreement.

If he wanted a day in court he should have flown to the US as soon as the story broke.

Oh, I know. It was BS. Can you imagine him in court and under oath? He couldn't even cope in the interview he set up with the BBC without coming out of the other side with his reputation in tatters.

[claret wizard]

OK…who paid for ‘his’ chalet?

From the Guardian article.

“Until the debt was settled, Andrew was unable to sell it. It is understood a buyer has been found and the sale is proceeding, but not yet completed.”

Plenty of people in world wanting to buy a luxury chalet with swimming pool in Verbier.

[Swizzlestick]

Queen to help pay for £12m Prince Andrew settlement

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-famil ... ettlement/

[tiger76]

Queen to help pay for £12m Prince Andrew settlement

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-famil ... ettlement/

Great he's running to mummy again to dig him out of a hole.

I'm generally an advocate of the monarchy, but boy they really don't help themselves with nonsense like this do they.

[daveisaclaret]

Few weeks earlier and she could have replaced him with Wout Weghorst for that much

[jedi_master]

Queen to help pay for £12m Prince Andrew settlement

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-famil ... ettlement/

Who’s really paying for it? In a year when the cost of living is increasing to ridiculous levels, and National Insurance is rising, in the midst of a pandemic which has reduced so many people’s household income, a year where she’s throwing a celebration of herself at considerable cost to the public purse - she pays £12m (of what will, invariably, be money that has come from the taxpayer at one point in time) to get her son who is accused of having sex multiple times with a young girl trafficked to him for pleasure off the hook.

God save our gracious Queen.

[jackmiggins]

Spot on Jedi.

[Claret Toni]

It would be truly amazing, IMHO, if an innocent man accused of having sex with a minor and having a not only cast iron alibi, but also a medical condition to disprove aspects of the allegations, chose to settle the case out of court and pay a substantial sum to the accuser.

This would be even more amazing if I were a man with unblemished character, had a plethora of well placed friends and colleagues to vouch for me and was of sufficient funds, chose not to have my day in court to ridicule the ramblings of an individual whose character is somewhat questionable.

So I guess this doesn't apply in the D of Y's case. Small wonder people, and I'm one of them, draw their own conclusions.

[bfcjg]

How on earth has the prostitute Roberts, who he's settled out of court with avoided justice herself? Presume she'd cut a deal with the prosecutor as she was a bona fida lynchpin in recruiting and facilitating Epsteins recruitment of young women for what? 15+ years. Though Randy has clearly been stitched up like a kipper ,he's impossible to like and has chosen to try and lie his way out of this. If Roberts was indeed 17 (very likely) when Randy had sex with her in the US state where 18 was the age of consent ,he was playing russian roulette. As he's denied ever even knowing her he was unable to give his own version . Why he didn't just admit to seeing her in the UK ive no idea,rather than that toe curling ludicrous documentary when he looked about as innocent as the Yorkshire Ripper

This young lady is a victim, bullied,bribed and coerced into being part of his empire. There is no excuse for what Epstein and his cronies did, disgusting human beings and I think your description of her is way of the mark, in fact it's sick.

[Lancasterclaret]

Absolutely massive own goal by the monarchy here

They managed to sort of separate him from them fairly successfully but this is going to enrage people*

*in a way that throwing £8 billion away on unusable PPE or not targeting £4 billion furlough fraud hasn't

[Terrier]

Bishop peter ball seems to have been quickly forgot about, seemed a good mate of charlie boys as well.
Some families just produce wrong uns!

[AlargeClaret]

This young lady is a victim, bullied,bribed and coerced into being part of his empire. There is no excuse for what Epstein and his cronies did, disgusting human beings and I think your description of her is way of the mark, in fact it's sick.

She was a highly willing trusted “ top table “ aide to Epstein and Maxwell , and their main facilitator, a pimp who recruited very poor girls ,who in turn entertained both Epstein and his billionaire boys club .She knew damn well she’d be doing very serious jailtime unless she played her cards right . Epstein’s ( a convicted pedophile ) or Maxwells guilt was never in doubt, neither were Andrew’s preposterous lies , but painting Virginia Roberts as some poor coerced later day saint?

[Lancasterclaret]

She was a highly willing trusted “ top table “ aide to Epstein and Maxwell , and their main facilitator, a pimp who recruited very poor girls ,who in turn entertained both Epstein and his billionaire boys club .She knew damn well she’d be doing very serious jailtime unless she played her cards right . Epstein’s ( a convicted pedophile ) or Maxwells guilt was never in doubt, neither were Andrew’s preposterous lies , but painting Virginia Roberts as some poor coerced later day saint?

In the pic, she's a sixteen year old girl mate, who is also a "highly willing trusted" top table aide to Epstein and Maxwell?

Sound a bit far fetched

Actually, I'll retract that, it sounds completely bonkers

[jrgbfc]

Has the Daily Mail tried blaming it on Harry and Meghan yet?

[claret2018]

I think the monarchy will be abolished in my lifetime. The ball will start rolling once the queen pops off