Dyche

[Gordaleman]

The best part of a 4 year deal to run, he won't be quitting and can't see the board being willing to pay him off. I reckon we have him for the foreseeable.....but in football stranger things happen.
For my penny's worth, give him until end of the window and see what he can do with some cash, he didn't do bad with Cornet.....that's if we have any cash of course.

Not sure how much credit Sean deserves for bringing Cornet in, it seemed to be Mr Pace doing all the negotiating. There wasn't a hint of an omlette lunch this time.

[Conroy92]

Think it's very apt using Stoke as an example further up. This squad (after the crown jewels have been taken) and tactics, will likely see us hit back to back relegations. Need a new man in to clear the deadwood and try something different. We saw with Ward and Vokes how quickly a player can decline. We could afford for them to go though so no issue. Relegation will see us even skinter though and likely getting bodies in will be the key phrase of summer 22, I've no doubt we'll panic and resign/offer extension's to players who are failing us. Fully expecting Cork, Rodriguez, Pieter's, Barnes and Lennon to be here next year. Can't help but thinking we are fooked with or without a new manager.

[evensteadiereddie]

Blimey, we're not only going down this season but next season as well !

[Conroy92]

Blimey, we're not only going down this season but next season as well !

This squad, minus Tarks, McNeil, Pope and Cornet (who'll all probably be on there bike with a relegation) is a weakening championship side. Then you look at Vydra who's a good championship player, probably leaves on a free, I'd be very surprised if he stayed. That leaves me with Collins, Brownhill and Taylor as 3 players who should be very good/great in the championship with players like Mee, Gudmundson, cork, westy looking very average NOW- Thats they key bit for me, these players appear to be going backwards now- I can only imagine what cork and westy would look like next year I am very worried and I'm surprised more people aren't.
Of course if you think we're going to sign about ten new players between now and next season, allowing the OOC players all to leave and replacing then with younger additions, fair cop but then I'd think you were deluded. Posters already banging the drum of no money, we'll have even less with a relegation. We'll be left with the option of renewing some of these deals.
This is the first step to everyone's biggest fears after the takeover.

[Newcastleclaret93]

This squad, minus Tarks, McNeil, Pope and Cornet (who'll all probably be on there bike with a relegation) is a weakening championship side. Then you look at Vydra who's a good championship player, probably leaves on a free, I'd be very surprised if he stayed. That leaves me with Collins, Brownhill and Taylor as 3 players who should be very good/great in the championship with players like Mee, Gudmundson, cork, westy looking very average NOW- Thats they key bit for me, these players appear to be going backwards now- I can only imagine what cork and westy would look like next year I am very worried and I'm surprised more people aren't.
Of course if you think we're going to sign about ten new players between now and next season, allowing the OOC players all to leave and replacing then with younger additions but then I'd think you were deluded. Posters already banging the drum of no money, we'll have even less with a relegation.
This is the first step to everyone's biggest fears after the takeover.

I agree. I’ve said for the last couple of match days that this squad wouldn’t get top 6 in the championship right now, if we lose our best players god knows where we will finish

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I agree. I’ve said for the last couple of match days that this squad wouldn’t get top 6 in the championship right now, if we lose our best players god knows where we will finish

Is this the same championship that currently sees Rovers sitting 2nd?

[taio]

I agree. I’ve said for the last couple of match days that this squad wouldn’t get top 6 in the championship right now, if we lose our best players god knows where we will finish

So what if you've said it a few times? It's meaningless.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Is this the same championship that currently sees Rovers sitting 2nd?

Yep, they would beat us at the moment.

The game against Huddersfield should be a good indication of where we stand.

Let’s not forget a weak Bournemouth team ran circles around us in the cup last year.

[Conroy92]

Is this the same championship that currently sees Rovers sitting 2nd?

Would this be the rovers team most of us didn't want to get in the cup incase of an embarrassing moment?!. I'd also have Diaz here right now and Buckley looks a decent prospect.
Claret tinted specs need to come off.

[Conroy92]

So what if you've said it a few times? It's meaningless.

It's also quite realistic to be honest. As opposed to the ones who still believe we are going to survive or walk the championship.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It's also quite realistic to be honest. As opposed to the ones who still believe we are going to survive or walk the championship.

Yep, our rebuild is as big as any I can remember in recent history.

Losing 11 players to out of contract and inevitably 3-4 more is a massive rebuild. It will take at least 2-3 seasons.

[taio]

It's also quite realistic to be honest. As opposed to the ones who still believe we are going to survive or walk the championship.

It's completely meaningless saying we wouldn't be good enough for the Championship top 6 right now. Because it can't be proven either way and it doesn't matter one bit.

[Spijed]

Yep, they would beat us at the moment.

The game against Huddersfield should be a good indication of where we stand.

Let’s not forget a weak Bournemouth team ran circles around us in the cup last year.

How would you rate the Norwich squad next year in the Championship if ours isn't top six?

[tiger76]

Blimey! I now this forum is normally downbeat, but do folks seriously think we'll not recruit new younger blood in the Championship, we'll be an attractive prospect for many as we'll be among the favourites to bounce straight back up, and once we clear out a lot of high earners we'll be ideally placed to offer decent wages at that level, plus if players impress with us they'll know a move to a bigger club could be on the horizon.

Think Gray, Heaton, Ings, Keane, Trippier as just 5 off the top of my head who we've helped develop and then sold on for big money, that's the formula we need to get back too, and the signings of Collins, Cornet and Roberts suggest Alan Pace thinks along similar lines.

[Newcastleclaret93]

How would you rate the Norwich squad next year in the Championship if ours isn't top six?

Norwich will do what they always do, have very good core of players and bring in top championship talent. Norwich will be near the top.

There squad is better than ours now.

We won’t do that because of our debt and the size of our rebuild.

[Spijed]

Norwich will do what they always do, have very good core of players and bring in top championship talent. Norwich will be near the top.

There squad is better than ours now.

We won’t do that because of our debt and the size of our rebuild.

So why don't they ever look like they could survive in the Premier League?

Even with our predicament most pundits and commentators would give us a better chance of survival than them .

[Conroy92]

How would you rate the Norwich squad next year in the Championship if ours isn't top six?

Considering we couldn't beat Norwich I'm not sure this is a good example. Not sure on the average age of the Norwich squad and how many OOC players they have but any side going down with a squad age of 30 plus and lots of OOC players is going to struggle. If Norwich have a younger side there's every chance they will improve. There is no improvement coming from our 30+ players.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Would this be the rovers team most of us didn't want to get in the cup incase of an embarrassing moment?!. I'd also have Diaz here right now and Buckley looks a decent prospect.
Claret tinted specs need to come off.

They are on a good run no doubt. Better squad than us evidently not a chance.

[Newcastleclaret93]

They are on a good run no doubt. Better squad than us evidently not a chance.

Rovers have a better team than us. They would run us off the park

[ewanrob]

As our friend Nixon alluded to yesterday, panic is now the major thing within the whole group....some very big calls to be made. I don't want him to go , but I'm tired of the Cloak and Dagger way he puts things across. He is so generic in all his interviews, you could literally play one on a loop...etc etc

[Conroy92]

Norwich will do what they always do, have very good core of players and bring in top championship talent. Norwich will be near the top.

There squad is better than ours now.

We won’t do that because of our debt and the size of our rebuild.

Newcastle hits the nail on the head. How do people think we are financing new younger players, with debts and a relegation? We don't even know the minimum release clauses for our top talents (you can gaurantee some of them will have them) so don't be counting on a massive windfall here. I'm predicting now we'll have no option but to take back on some of the OOC players. Or I'll ask again, after beating the little old burnley no money story for years, do people now think we will buy ten new players?! And I'm being generous at 10, there's 11 OOC and probably 2-3 that will move on. Very strange.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Rovers have a better team than us. They would run us off the park

What about our youth team?

[Conroy92]

They are on a good run no doubt. Better squad than us evidently not a chance.

Not right now probably not. But minus McNeil, Tarks, Pope and Cornet while retaining the likes of Rodriguez and Cork for next year and they will do, easily.

[elwaclaret]

It is a matter of weeks since the majority of Rovers fans were looking with fear at the relegation places, and after sacking TM now they are world beaters… it only proves one thing, their fans are as fickle and clueless as a lot of our bedwetters. Burnley do not need to compare themselves to the Championship because it is not the league we play in, and it’s not the league we intend to be in next season.

If SD does show a lack of motivation, it is quite possibly a result of his own frustration that fans having no faith even after the years we’ve proved we belong in the Premier League.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Well if Rovers have managed to build such a fantastic squad good luck to them.

[AlargeClaret]

When were we actually relegated ? We’re not even half way through season . Yes we’re poor , yes the lack of investment is biting hard . But if anyone can motivate this squad and squeeze every last ounce it’s Dyche . A bit of luck , a new midfielder and we could easily survive . The negative surrender monkey attitude is nauseating. As for Rovers who gives a flying feck how they’re doing ??

[alf_resco]

The club as we know it was well & truly shafted when Garlick sold out to ALK. He walked away with £XXm whilst as far as I can work out, ALK got BFC for next to nothing whilst saddling the club with debt somewhere north of £160m. Dyche then played a blinder on his own contract and if repports are to be believed he's on around £5m per year x 4 = £20, to go on top of the estimated £20m he's already been paid over the past 9 yrs.
Whether Garlick and/or Dyche is/are to blame for lack of squad quality is really neither here nor there - we're spiralling downwards, the players look uninterested, Dyche looks totally bereft of ideas on how to change things and I'd be amazed if there were any stellar January signings to alter matters.
Personally, I can't see a way out of this but I'd be absolutely delighted to be proved wrong.

[AlargeClaret]

The club as we know it was well & truly shafted when Garlick sold out to ALK. He walked away with £XXm whilst as far as I can work out, ALK got BFC for next to nothing whilst saddling the club with debt somewhere north of £160m. Dyche then played a blinder on his own contract and if repports are to be believed he's on around £5m per year x 4 = £20, to go on top of the estimated £20m he's already been paid over the past 9 yrs.
Whether Garlick and/or Dyche is/are to blame for lack of squad quality is really neither here nor there - we're spiralling downwards, the players look uninterested, Dyche looks totally bereft of ideas on how to change things and I'd be amazed if there were any stellar January signings to alter matters.
Personally, I can't see a way out of this but I'd be absolutely delighted to be proved wrong.

Excellent post , though tbf we didn’t have far to “ spiral downwards” . And Cornet aside , let’s be realistic there’s not that much more we can do with what we have . Hoping for a high end mid, a fit Cornet and Roberts and some proper trench fighting

[Conroy92]

It is a matter of weeks since the majority of Rovers fans were looking with fear at the relegation places, and after sacking TM now they are world beaters… it only proves one thing, their fans are as fickle and clueless as a lot of our bedwetters. Burnley do not need to compare themselves to the Championship because it is not the league we play in, and it’s not the league we intend to be in next season.

If SD does show a lack of motivation, it is quite possibly a result of his own frustration that fans having no faith even after the years we’ve proved we belong in the Premier League.

When did they sack TM???

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

When did they sack TM???

They were after sacking him just like they wanted rid of Venkies.

[RVclaret]

Well if Rovers have managed to build such a fantastic squad good luck to them.

I think over half of the first 11 have been brought through from the youth system which has been far better than ours for quite some time.

[Woonderbah]

How would you rate the Norwich squad next year in the Championship if ours isn't top six?

I think Norwich improved significantly when they appointed Dean Smith.. look at the foundations he laid at Brentford.. shrewd use of the transfer market, using younger players and playing attractive football.. it's a template we should have been using.. bringing youth players through and profiting from their sale and going again.. we've become far too dependent on PL income.. maybe it's too early for the academy conveyor belt to bear fruit and this will change but it's a way of being self sufficient and evolving.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I think Norwich improved significantly when they appointed Dean Smith.. look at the foundations he laid at Brentford.. shrewd use of the transfer market, using younger players and playing attractive football.. it's a template we should have been using.. bringing youth players through and profiting from their sale and going again.. we've become far too dependent on PL income.. maybe it's too early for the academy conveyor belt to bear fruit and this will change but it's a way of being self sufficient and evolving.

How has he improved Norwich significantly??

[ŽižkovClaret]

If we go down under Dyche , I think that is the time to say goodbye.
Dyche was the biggest winner in the American deal and some would say good luck to him.

Bigger than Garlick who made a pretty penny? Don't see how you work that one out tbh

[elwaclaret]

When did they sack TM???

They didn’t but they were after his sacking

[Woonderbah]

How has he improved Norwich significantly??

I'd say Dean Smith has more about him than Farke and he'll improve the infrastructure at Norwich. Farke didn't seem to learn much from their previous PL season. Unfortunately for Norwich, Smith shares Farke's inability to organise the defence.. but they'll be a strong team in the Championship and better prepared for a quick return.. he's shown he's not afraid to blood younger players too

[elwaclaret]

How has he improved Norwich significantly??

If Smith went in there with any remit other than build for the future and give it a go at staying up then he has not failed in the slightest. Do you really think Norwich we’re counting on a sea change? Smith’s appointment was the best bit of business Norwich have done this season. He will take them down and bring them back, but this time they will no longer be the soft touch they have been.

[Woonderbah]

If Smith went in there with any remit other than build for the future and give it a go at staying up then he has not failed in the slightest. Do you really think Norwich we’re counting on a sea change? Smith’s appointment was the best bit of business Norwich have done this season. He will take them down and bring them back, but this time they will no longer be the soft touch they have been.

A more eloquent way of saying what I was trying to say

[nyclaret]

I think Norwich improved significantly when they appointed Dean Smith.. look at the foundations he laid at Brentford.. shrewd use of the transfer market, using younger players and playing attractive football.. it's a template we should have been using.. bringing youth players through and profiting from their sale and going again.. we've become far too dependent on PL income.. maybe it's too early for the academy conveyor belt to bear fruit and this will change but it's a way of being self sufficient and evolving.

Isn’t that mainly down to Brentford’s moneyball system rather than Dean Smith?

[elwaclaret]

Isn’t that mainly down to Brentford’s moneyball system rather than Dean Smith?

I don’t think so, he got the gig at Brentford because of the turnaround he managed in Walsall’s fortunes as I recall.

[kentonclaret]

One of the arguments put forward by many posters on here for the Crystal Palace vacancy being unattractive to Dyche was the massive rebuilding job that was going to be needed.

Well, guess what? A similar job is going to be needed at Burnley whether we stay up or go down.

[Jakubclaret]

One of the arguments put forward by many posters on here for the Crystal Palace vacancy being unattractive to Dyche was the massive rebuilding job that was going to be needed.

Well, guess what? A similar job is going to be needed at Burnley whether we stay up or go down.

Assuming extensions aren’t agreed, it could be a blessing if some of the players are allowed to leave reset & get some fresh blood in, it wouldn’t surprise me if things have purposely been allowed to develop this way because the club want shut of some of them.

[welsbyswife]

I think we would be in a worse position to bounce back up than the last time we went down which, given that we've spent 6 seasons in the Premier League, is a damning reflection on our recruitment. I don't think we can lay that at Dyche's door. But the atmosphere around the club is far more downbeat than the previous time we were relegated. In my view anyway.

[Wile E Coyote]

rovers fans organised protests to dump the venkys, west ham likewise to oust moyes,
now look at them !
Burnley have hit a bit of a low point that's all. Best manager we have ever had, and based on one bad run, the maniacs come scurrying out declaring catastrophe, and sack the manager. What nonsense.
Even talk of how we are not even worthy of holding our own in the championship...talk about pessimism !!!
WE WILL NOT GET RELEGATED .

[welsbyswife]

Do capital letters make a statement into a fact?

[Newcastleclaret93]

rovers fans organised protests to dump the venkys, west ham likewise to oust moyes,
now look at them !
Burnley have hit a bit of a low point that's all. Best manager we have ever had, and based on one bad run, the maniacs come scurrying out declaring catastrophe, and sack the manager. What nonsense.
Even talk of how we are not even worthy of holding our own in the championship...talk about pessimism !!!
WE WILL NOT GET RELEGATED .

From the championship?

[joey13]

rovers fans organised protests to dump the venkys, west ham likewise to oust moyes,
now look at them !
Burnley have hit a bit of a low point that's all. Best manager we have ever had, and based on one bad run, the maniacs come scurrying out declaring catastrophe, and sack the manager. What nonsense.
Even talk of how we are not even worthy of holding our own in the championship...talk about pessimism !!!
WE WILL NOT GET RELEGATED .

Please can you quantify”WE WILL NOT GET RELEGATED” thanks

[arise_sir_charge]

If SD does show a lack of motivation, it is quite possibly a result of his own frustration that fans having no faith even after the years we’ve proved we belong in the Premier League.

It’s the fans fault!

HOUSE!!!!!!!

[boatshed bill]

Bigger than Garlick who made a pretty penny? Don't see how you work that one out tbh

Go on then, tell us how much he pocketed.

[elwaclaret]

It’s the fans fault!

HOUSE!!!!!!!

If you would like to quote me, fine; I only ask you do not attempt a poor paraphrase c/w removed context simply to justify your attempt at childish humour.