Cornet conundrum

[Woodleyclaret]

Dwight was awful yesterday and I for the life of me didn't see why Sean didn't sub him for Maxwell ,as Jayrod looked at least up for the challenge
Expecting Cornet or Dwight to track back doesn't work keep them up ,when we break at least we will have a target to aim at

[Lancasterclaret]

Dwight was awful yesterday and I for the life of me didn't see why Sean didn't sub him for Maxwell ,as Jayrod looked at least up for the challenge
Expecting Cornet or Dwight to track back doesn't work keep them up ,when we break at least we will have a target to aim at

FFS

[BabylonClaret]

Dwight was awful yesterday and I for the life of me didn't see why Sean didn't sub him for Maxwell ,as Jayrod looked at least up for the challenge
Expecting Cornet or Dwight to track back doesn't work keep them up ,when we break at least we will have a target to aim at

That's rubbish.

[buzzclarets79]

Was expecting Cornet to play yesterday, either up front or on a wing. First half we sat very deep and defended well, if you’re doing that you really need someone with pace who can at least give defenders something to think about. Chelsea defenders knew they could step up an extra couple of yards as we had little pace up front to hurt them with. I don’t think Cornet is a complete speed merchant but is certainly one of the quicker forward thinking players.

[quoonbeatz]

Bob Lord Stand block 2?

Jimmy Mac

[CrosspoolClarets]

Read page 1 of this, not page 2.

Some mixed opinions but I think we are all agreed that goals are the defining thing regarding this decision - scoring and creating, who to play to do those two things.

Cornet came back unfit, and didn’t we read something about issues in his personal life? Whatever, he looks like a guy who needs a goal. He looks the sort who will start firing when that happens, flicks and tricks suddenly start to come off. Against Leicester he had one disallowed by the finest of margins and then put that one on one just wide. Contrast that to the record of anyone else. Weghorst has done OK, Lennon too recently, and Jay had one moment against Man Utd. Realistically though, Weghorst aside, nobody looks like firing us to safety. So that has to be Cornet. He gets chances, things happen. We need things to happen, badly.

Where would I play him? Up front, because I am sensing Dwight is going to come good and provide a couple of crucial moments. Yes, he struggles with Weghorst dropping deep unlike Wood who stayed up and flicked on. But it doesn’t matter if it works a few times each game. I can just picture Wout receiving deep, spinning and playing Max through on goal. They’ll get there.

[gawthorpe_view]

Jimmy Mac

I heard the same, almost word for word in the BLS.

[claretonthecoast1882]

As said, it was because Dwight wasn't the one going off. Perfectly acceptable to me for fans to vent their frustration, considering we are paying to watch the game and we can actually see what's going on and where changes are needed. Just because we aren't professional football managers doesn't mean we can't see what's going on in front of our faces. I didn't boo btw, waste of energy, but I understand why folk did. Yet ANOTHER baffling substitution by the manager. Seems substitutions are his Kryptonite...

The perfect post to describe the difference between a fan and a supporter. Some of the stuff aimed at Dwight on Saturday was p**s poor but like you say they are entitled to do so because they are fans and have paid.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Read page 1 of this, not page 2.

Some mixed opinions but I think we are all agreed that goals are the defining thing regarding this decision - scoring and creating, who to play to do those two things.

Cornet came back unfit, and didn’t we read something about issues in his personal life? Whatever, he looks like a guy who needs a goal. He looks the sort who will start firing when that happens, flicks and tricks suddenly start to come off. Against Leicester he had one disallowed by the finest of margins and then put that one on one just wide. Contrast that to the record of anyone else. Weghorst has done OK, Lennon too recently, and Jay had one moment against Man Utd. Realistically though, Weghorst aside, nobody looks like firing us to safety. So that has to be Cornet. He gets chances, things happen. We need things to happen, badly.

Where would I play him? Up front, because I am sensing Dwight is going to come good and provide a couple of crucial moments. Yes, he struggles with Weghorst dropping deep unlike Wood who stayed up and flicked on. But it doesn’t matter if it works a few times each game. I can just picture Wout receiving deep, spinning and playing Max through on goal. They’ll get there.

That’s a very interesting point you made regarding Weghorst dropping deep.

I checked his average position on the pitch against Chelsea and he was almost as deep as Brownhill and Westwood. For what it’s worth I really do not see the benefit of 1 of our strikers being so deep. No wonder he is struggling to score.

[quoonbeatz]

I heard the same, almost word for word in the BLS.

Probably one in every stand!

[blake's wand]

I think Cornet was probably being rested - given his injury problems. Sure he will be back playing a major part on Saturday

[claretspice]

Wow. That's quite intense abuse all things considered.

Whilst I agree that we should all pull together, that HAS to include everyone.

There will probably be quite a few reasons why we have gone down, should we go down.... but someone whinging about a player not turning up isn't one of them. The damage has already been done due to lack of investment by the previous chairman, leaving us with an ageing and tired squad. Occasional lower than required effort levels from certain players. Crazy substitutions at weird times. Injuries and suspensions.

Someone having a pop at a player whose body language absolutely STINKS isn't on my list of why we could go down. That attitude, that head down and sulking display that we are witnessing more often from one or two in a group of individuals that should be absolutely together for the next 90 minutes is absolute poison. It spreads like wildfire and should be recognised and dealt with robustly. Failing to deal with that will hurt us more than some boozed up muppet shouting his mouth off.

I'm not sure we do have a player whose body language absolutely stinks. I would say it's a fair criticism of McNeil that sometimes when he makes a mistake or loses the ball his first instinct is to get frustrated with himself or allow disappointment to get the better of him, and there's then a delay in him chasing back as a result. He needs to cut that out.

But generally - he tracks back well. He did so on Saturday (he's right back in defending for all 4 goals if you watch them, and on one occasion in the first half he did extremely well to hold up a Chelsea counter on his own until others got back). But the other thing about McNeil and his body language is that he never stopped wanting the ball and getting into positions to receive the ball. Despite it not being his best day, he had 54 touches on Saturday, third only to Westwood (54) and Roberts (56). That's more than either of our centre backs, which is a pretty remarkable stat in the modern game. It is almost twice as many as Lennon (28 vs 53), is twice as many as Weghorst (26, albeit substituted with 10 to go) and by further comparison Rodriguez managed a mere 13 in his time on the pitch.

That doesn't prove McNeil was effective in his time on the pitch (Lennon probably achieved more in half the number of touches. But it does reflect that McNeil didn't hide, as many in his position might have done. Despite the appalling barracking from the crowd he kept searching for the ball, pointing where he wanted it and moving again if he didn't get it. That suggests a player who is a lot braver and mentally strong/positive than many are giving him credit for. It certainly is incompatible with the idea his attitude, per se, stinks.

As for Cornet - he's not been quite as effective since he came back from AFCON, but the biggest difference is that goals are no longer masking the fact he's not been amazingly effective for us. That, for me, is on Dyche. Cornet was the big summer signing, seemingly someone we'd tracked for years, and it's not apparent that we had a clear plan for how to get the best out of him. The whole attacking third of the team has looked a bit muddled for a lot of the season as a result, to the detriment of all concerned.

[corporal jones]

Bob lord Block 2? ARE YOU SURE!!!!!!!

[aggi]

Dwight was awful yesterday and I for the life of me didn't see why Sean didn't sub him for Maxwell ,as Jayrod looked at least up for the challenge
Expecting Cornet or Dwight to track back doesn't work keep them up ,when we break at least we will have a target to aim at

I didn't watch the match so it's interesting reading stuff like this and comparing it to the stats.

Looking at the stats McNeil looks like one of our most involved players:

Most shots
Second highest number of passes
Most crosses
Equal highest dribbles
Second most tackles
Second most blocks
Second most touches
Most touches (by far) in the opposition penalty area
Lost possession once

[gawthorpe_view]

Bob lord Block 2? ARE YOU SURE!!!!!!!

Yes, I heard it clearly.

[Elizabeth]

Cornet looked much sharper when he came on against Chelsea and should be a shoe in against Brentford. If he had the number of touches that McNeil had on Saturday you can be sure that he would have been much more effective.
Of course he doesn't need that many touches which do nothing, he has shown clearly he is amazingly effective for us with much fewer touches.
Too many simply don't appreciate that due to a few reasons he hasn't had a run in the side for quite a while.
This obsession with meaningless stats is becoming boring. Goals matter and when he was featuring regularly in the side Cornet has delivered